June 6, 20241 yr 41 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: My reading between the lines is Parsons wanted to wait. You think he wanted to sign before Jefferson? Parsons mindset the whole time is he’s going to make him pay regardless. I actually am not seeing the number change between now and beggining of next offseason. Looks set already to me. Parsons had no choice... because Dallas isn't set up to give him anything yet. And they can't do him before Lamb.
June 6, 20241 yr 39 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: The big number actually was the guaranteed number for Jefferson. That number was the monster. That’s where Parsons and Lamb should be GUARANTEED cashing in. The guarantee number isn't really significant at all...because they will redo Jefferson after 2026 anyway. You keep missing this fact because in your mind you can't get past the new contract finishing as is. It's why sign early...because you redo early the next cycle. Why do you think Smith wasn't phased by the media asking him if he was upset about his contract after everyone else got their deals....he knows the Eagles will be giving him new money way before the contract ends. Just like they did with AJ. I don't think you get this yet as you seemed so obsessed with APY and guarantee money that you miss how it’s all a manipulation.
June 6, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Cowboys don't have Lamb, Parsons or Dak signed yet.... our guys are locked up. They don't have much room at all. But... as we seem to go through this exercise every year due to your disdain for the Eagles GM... ( not simply good enough for you to say he had questionable drafts and tries to control too much) you have to try to down play the one thing he is good at... so round and round for another year...I'll simply leave you with this.... let's see which team will have the ability to spend on free agents...the Eagles or Dallas. Let's pay attention...starting now. For every move each team makes let's keep score. In reality it won't be difficult because it will be one team making significant free agent or trade moves. What you’re missing in this equation is I never said the cowboys are doing well with contracts at all.
June 6, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, joemas6 said: The guarantee number isn't really significant at all...because they will redo Jefferson after 2026 anyway. You keep missing this fact because in your mind you can't get past the new contract finishing as is. It's why sign early...because you redo early the next cycle. Why do you think Smith wasn't phased by the media asking him if he was upset about his contract after everyone else got their deals....he knows the Eagles will be giving him new money way before the contract ends. Just like they did with AJ. I don't think you get this yet as you seemed so obsessed with APY and guarantee money that you miss how it’s all a manipulation. I do think guaranteed money is a big deal
June 6, 20241 yr 53 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: JJ demanded top of nonQB number. Parsons demanding top of nonQB number. JJ leaped Bosa 34 to 35. So logic would dictate Offering Parsons 36 to leap JJ. Right there in both statements was directly top paid nonQB. That’s to begin next offseason. As I’m not seeing any other players breaking the JJ threshold this season. Believe Chase and Lamb only possible players to do so. Don’t think either breaks 35 mil per. I agree with your post regarding everything here except for one thing... I think the number from Parsons is closer to 40 than 36. The number Parsons is looking to pass is Bosa...that's the position. Bosa ot his deal last year...2023... Parsons getting it in 2025...significant jump in the cap from 2023 to 2025... should be significant jump past the 34. Just like JJ had the significant jump at his position. The focus for Parsons is not 2024 WR #...it's 2023 Edge #. That's more significant of a raise due to the 2 year gap and the history of that position being paid higher than WR. The jump for JJ being the highest paid non QB was more significant for him as a WR...Parsons should have a higher goal.
June 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, joemas6 said: I agree with your post regarding everything here except for one thing... I think the number from Parsons is closer to 40 than 36. The number Parsons is looking to pass is Bosa...that's the position. Bosa ot his deal last year...2023... Parsons getting it in 2025...significant jump in the cap from 2023 to 2025... should be significant jump past the 34. Just like JJ had the significant jump at his position. The focus for Parsons is not 2024 WR #...it's 2023 Edge #. That's more significant of a raise due to the 2 year gap and the history of that position being paid higher than WR. The jump for JJ being the highest paid non QB was more significant for him as a WR...Parsons should have a higher goal. So you’re ignoring the words straight out of Parsons mouth?
June 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: I do think guaranteed money is a big deal Not when the deal gets redone half way through. I'll look at the numbers and explain when the details come out. Much easier to understand when having the exact numbers year by year.
June 6, 20241 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said: So you’re ignoring the words straight out of Parsons mouth? Which were?
June 6, 20241 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said: So you’re ignoring the words straight out of Parsons mouth? Jefferson words out of his mouth were too paid nonQB. Not top paid WR. Same thing Parsons has in his head. If Chase busts through and gets 36 mil he’ll want 37. If Saige busts through to get 41 he’ll want 42. Jefferson and Patson are speaking the exact same words seeming to have the exact same thoughts. They don’t care about position. They both believe they are above being judged positionally(even though both positions are high paying). Both demanding top nonQB pay.
June 6, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: So you’re ignoring the words straight out of Parsons mouth? Where he said " the numbers will be up to 40 million by then" it's exactly why I don't think he settles just to pass a WR by a little. I absolutely think he wants the significance of being at or just under the $40 mil #.
June 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: Top nonQB pay Ego of being top paid nonQB. Now the guaranteed money and what I’m already assuming Jeffersons contract looks like will be more real money than fake BS numbers like The Cheetah got.
June 6, 20241 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said: Jefferson words out of his mouth were too paid nonQB. Not top paid WR. Same thing Parsons has in his head. If Chase busts through and gets 36 mil he’ll want 37. If Saige busts through to get 41 he’ll want 42. Jefferson and Patson are speaking the exact same words seeming to have the exact same thoughts. They don’t care about position. They both believe they are above being judged positionally(even though both positions are high paying). Both demanding top nonQB pay. Ok...I'll go slow here so you follow. Historically the Edge DL has been paid more than the WR. So ...for JJ to make a statement...he not only wanted to shatter the WR #, but wanted to pass Bosa too. For Parsons... who plays a position that gets paid more than WR. Just beating the top WR isn't making a statement. If you are the best Edge...im the best WR... do you think you are OK by just beating me by a little? When history shows there is a gap there where your position should be paid higher? I play a lesser paid position and got my deal done a year sooner... you should want to beat me on both counts. Better position..plus at the higher rates the year after. It's why he mentioned 40
June 6, 20241 yr The Cheetah as all about ego with him getting 30 mil per season average. Reality when you look at guarantees and contract is 3 year 73 mil. Really just over 24 mil average.
June 6, 20241 yr Its a significant statement for a WR to be paid more than the highest paid DL/ Edge. JJ wanted that Statement. Parsons specifically mentioned 40 mil. That's his statement. By nature of position and a year after JJ... that's disrespect just barely getting paid higher. The 40 mil resets the DE/ Edge market...which should be have a nice little gap above the WRs
June 6, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Ok...I'll go slow here so you follow. Historically the Edge DL has been paid more than the WR. So ...for JJ to make a statement...he not only wanted to shatter the WR #, but wanted to pass Bosa too. For Parsons... who plays a position that gets paid more than WR. Just beating the top WR isn't making a statement. If you are the best Edge...im the best WR... do you think you are OK by just beating me by a little? When history shows there is a gap there where your position should be paid higher? I play a lesser paid position and got my deal done a year sooner... you should want to beat me on both counts. Better position..plus at the higher rates the year after. It's why he mentioned 40 So a guy that wants 40 how do you get to sign early? He stated he has no problem being patient waiting for the 40.
June 6, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: The Cheetah as all about ego with him getting 30 mil per season average. Reality when you look at guarantees and contract is 3 year 73 mil. Really just over 24 mil average. Stick to Parsons...focus here. Cheetah , Chase, Lamb...those are WRs... not going to matter to Parsons
June 6, 20241 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said: So a guy that wants 40 how do you get to sign early? He stated he has no problem being patient waiting for the 40. Right... follow his whole quote... He knows Dallas doesn't have the money to sign him now...can't happen. So he has no choice but to wait. And so he is ok because his counter is going to be getting the $40 next year when Dallas actually has the ability to do it. Basically...." hey Jerry...because your bad business decisions are forcing me to wait, I'm going to make you pay"
June 6, 20241 yr " let CeeDee get his...let Dak get his" etc... get it all out of the way..because you are backing up the truck for me! 40 mil
June 6, 20241 yr Top paid nonQBs: Jefferson 35 Bosa 34 AJ 32. DTJones 31.7 Amon 30 Cheetah 30 Waddle 28.2 Allen 28.2 Burns 28.2 Adams 28 Watt 28 DT Wilkins 27.5 Kupp 26.7 Smitty 25 Garrett 25
June 6, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: So a guy that wants 40 how do you get to sign early? He stated he has no problem being patient waiting for the 40. But...for the point I make about the players absolutely wanting to sign early because in the end they get more cash...where they can't recover by waiting and taking the higher # Use Parsons as an example. He is making 2.89 mil this year. Sure he can wait and get paid next year.... but if he played for the Eagles....you think he passes up a $40-50 mil signing bonus now... already putting significant money in his pocket... them also starting the cycle to where he can get the deal redone with a nice big cash influx say after 3 years...like we saw AJ. You think he could ever make up that cash in the pocket by waiting a year and getting 40 instead of $35 now? Again use your simpleton method of $35 vs 40 per for 5 years...you see $25 mil more by waiting... I'm saying he gets 35-45 mil more now... and gets ahead by that much... then redo after 2026 season...so any amount of a higher signing bonus next year...plus a 2026 extra $5 mil in salary...isn't going to make up the difference or even be close....that's without even considering the significant bump again after 2026. Always better for the player to get paid early. But if they make you wait...then you make them pay up. It won't be enough...but it's something.
June 6, 20241 yr Looks to me like WR are very much holding their own as top paid position. You are going to have to adapt with the times. 2024 these are the numbers. Lamb and Chase are the next in line expected to break into this group to add to the WRs case. So might as well just go ahead and consider two more WR at the top of the list.
June 6, 20241 yr Lamb 35 mil Dak 60 mil Parsons 40 mil. That's what Jerry is looking at. But be lost the ability to jump ahead of the game. Only guy he did it correctly with was Diggs. Diggs was drafted after Lamb. Diggs and Hurts done correctly last year Lamb a year too late...and Parsons a year too late...should have been done when we did Smith and Dickerson. Because Dallas messed up years ago...they can't get all these guys dome properly...and the cycle continues.
June 6, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Looks to me like WR are very much holding their own as top paid position. You are going to have to adapt with the times. 2024 these are the numbers. Lamb and Chase are the next in line expected to break into this group to add to the WRs case. So might as well just go ahead and consider two more WR at the top of the list. Right...because the top edge guys already signed. Bosa, Watt, the guy in Cleveland. Parsons is the next guy to reset the market. To get the edge guys back up significantly over the WRs.
June 6, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Looks to me like WR are very much holding their own as top paid position. You are going to have to adapt with the times. 2024 these are the numbers. Lamb and Chase are the next in line expected to break into this group to add to the WRs case. So might as well just go ahead and consider two more WR at the top of the list. Again...you are missing the biggest factor. Why are the WRs topping the list in 2024? Because the top edge guys are already signed.... all but the future 40 mil guy down in Dallas.
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