June 8, 20242 yr 3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said: 1 read and run is Hurts game. it's time for him to step up-end of discussion Not at all end of discussion. Trying to explain to you how I’m reading his words is he’s telling you much of the reasoning of the why of what you want to see from him and our O is what is being given the opportunity now…in an offensive system. The details within the playcalls that Kellen’s system brings to the table. Rhymes and reasons for all these details from every man of the O unit ….all working for a purpose.
June 8, 20242 yr 3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Siri will be on the hot seat if this team can't compete Gotta expect some kind of learning curve here though. Year two…three can be evolved much further in this system with this group of talented players. But more short term is just not expecting a finished master piece week one. Very unrealistic.
June 8, 20242 yr 33 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Salary cap does not involve player decisions. You pick the wrong player that's bad talent evaluation...that's coaches.... not the needs with the pocket protectors crunching the numbers. If your GM runs the whole show . It's not his contract team that made the mistake.. that's the personnel dept. For Dallas... the guys wearing the pocket protectors are not doing the contracts correctly ..after Jerry's guys who pick the players get them in. You can’t put together a salary cap controlled team of 53 players without both considerations of player choices hand and hand based on pay.
June 8, 20242 yr 20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: You can’t put together a salary cap controlled team of 53 players without both considerations of player choices hand and hand based on pay. Again....you have 5 players you know you want to keep...there is zero doubt. 5 studs. That part is complete..no argument Now it comes time to pay them... You have the Eagles " pocket protector squad" and you have the Dallas guys. Which team does a better job?
June 8, 20242 yr 23 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: You can’t put together a salary cap controlled team of 53 players without both considerations of player choices hand and hand based on pay. The salary cap / contract part comes AFTER the personnel department identifies the players.
June 8, 20242 yr 54 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Salary cap does not involve player decisions. You pick the wrong player that's bad talent evaluation...that's coaches.... not the needs with the pocket protectors crunching the numbers. If your GM runs the whole show . It's not his contract team that made the mistake.. that's the personnel dept. For Dallas... the guys wearing the pocket protectors are not doing the contracts correctly ..after Jerry's guys who pick the players get them in. Once again for the billionth time you compare to the cowboys…very low bar. But how often do i bring up putting together that Championship Roster Puzzle. You just aren’t grasping how both sides have to be completed together. You only can think in singular steps. One player….at one cap hit. It’s 53 players under the salary cap number that wins a title. That’s the job. Player evaluation teams(college, pro….) have to come together with the analytics teams while all coming together with the calculator contractual expert teams. All these guys report to the GM.
June 8, 20242 yr 50 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Except the pattern was more going through reads that weren’t open yet on long developing patterns and Hurts bought the extra time to go through more and longer reads. You need to watch the games man.
June 8, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: Once again for the billionth time you compare to the cowboys…very low bar. But how often do i bring up putting together that Championship Roster Puzzle. You just aren’t grasping how both sides have to be completed together. You only can think in singular steps. One player….at one cap hit. It’s 53 players under the salary cap number that wins a title. That’s the job. Player evaluation teams(college, pro….) have to come together with the analytics teams while all coming together with the calculator contractual expert teams. All these guys report to the GM. Compare any team you want. Your complaint is simply player selections. You want to know the perfect example to drive this home. 2011. Dream Team. 2 billion of cap space....they didn't look to improve the LB or S spot at all. Had zero to do with cap management...because they could have signed Ray Lewis, Navarro Bowman, and any other top LB....and it wouldn't have done anything to their cap. Player decisions....zero to do with cap!
June 8, 20242 yr 56 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Except the pattern was more going through reads that weren’t open yet on long developing patterns and Hurts bought the extra time to go through more and longer reads. You need to watch the games man.
June 8, 20242 yr 9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: . You just aren’t grasping how both sides have to be completed together. You aren't grasping which of the sides is making the mistakes. Eagles... the football guys Dallas ... the contract guys. I've repeatedly said...they are good getting players.... don't handle the contracts well. We don't get the right players on the same percentage. We just take more swings because our salary cap guys provide more of an opportunity by keeping more cap space open. The 2 work together.. one side F##king up ruins it. My comments have always been on which area is the weakness for each team You understand this on the field when you point out LB ...why can't you see the Dallas salary cap dept is their version of our LBs.
June 8, 20242 yr You spin and change the subject constantly. Always skipping ahead...can never stay on one specific subject. It's why we all have to constantly explain things 100 times to you.
June 8, 20242 yr Winning a Superbowl ... an organization needs everything to work together well. Specifically doing contracts is only ONE part of that. Singular in its function. It can either aid or hinder the other departments of the organization. For the Eagles is aids the personnel department by giving them the ability to make a lot of moves. You can skip Dallas... look at any other team you want, and tell me which team benefits more from their nerds than the Eagles
June 8, 20242 yr 9 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said: Pocket Panic He escaped because nobody was open for so long?
June 8, 20242 yr 22 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: . You just aren’t grasping how both sides have to be completed together. You a fan of music? You understand the concept that a band must work together to make the music for a song. Does that mean there is no such thing as comparing singers, drummers ,guitarists , keyboard players? It's similar when specifically talking about those individuals and comparing....when we compare the salary cap management/ contract writing between organizations. You have a favorite band.... are all the guys in that band your favorite individuals at their instrument?
June 8, 20242 yr Author 4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said: Except the pattern was more going through reads that weren’t open yet on long developing patterns and Hurts bought the extra time to go through more and longer reads. You need to watch the games man. I do, I saw 1 read a pull it down far too often,then the called run plays. Even on a pull down and run you ALWAYS keep looking downfield. Did you miss the multiple games where guys were waving frantically for the ball???? Only to be denied?? These are the steps needed to become a complete QB. TG we have an O line or Hurts would be toast by now. Just need Hurts to become more "Mahomes like". On broken plays Mahomes is still looking to deliver the ball downfield,and I will agree Hurts is the much better runner than Mahomes,Hurts needs to use his mobility to move around IN the pocket before giving up on a pass play. I hoping the new offense being installed and camp will trigger more of this type thing. It would put Hurts in the TRUE MVP discussions,not the O line tush push victories. You may differ with my opinion,that is fine. Last year meagerly simple offense was hard to judge,now I expect it to be more open. Not expecting "air Coryell" year 1,but we should see a step in that direction. Hurts is short for a QB,he has to work a little harder to see downfield. Buying time in the pocket will do that . I know you view this as "Hurts hating". Far from it. Although it was HS I had the unique experience of learning both RB and TE. In both cases I had to block and the reasons for an offensive weapon to block?To buy time for the QB. I was the 3rd down RB. I was fast but not quite fast enough(or shifty) I was skinny for a TE at 180(which was ok in HS back then not now-see ASG's grandson lol). I wish my HS coach had gone pro. He would make players play positions totally out of their realm,so EVERYONE on the team understood what the other guys jobs were.After a few practices and him deciding player placements,we would do this for a whole week. Most of us failed terribly at our new assignments,but WOW you really got to see what other guys on the team had to do to make it work. I had to play QB once in practice. It was very ugly,but you knew what he was up against. Just saying Hurts needs to take his next NFL step. This is not hating the man,it's just what is required in the NFL
June 8, 20242 yr Author 4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said: Coach Doug OK thanks,thats what I meant,he was quoting his coach-all I was saying
June 8, 20242 yr Author 4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said: Hurts is telling you NOW under Moore we have what can actually be referred to as a system….for a change. Listing off what Coach Doug is teaching to run the plays. Explaining the difference from previously just getting the play written on paper…having plays called….to now being in an actual system. At first I was thinking he was comparing to last season only maybe….but really think he’s talking about his time under Siri. Been missing the system. Not just first, second, third read scramble to avoid the rush and run or pass. Details to each playcall according to the D being faced. I think Ped had a system going,except in my view Hurts wasn't the QB for it. That system favored the passers like Wentz and I don't care whos fault it was,I don't think the brass thought that system suitable for a running QB. So now we have come full circle, and I look forward to a viable system that can make Hurts progress as a passer/reader/understanding D's and making correct audibles. Any top QB(or musician in my own experience) will always tell you there are things to learn and Hurts needs to take another step. That is not hating. I just want the team to be better and Hurts is the key to the machine. We have the high performance parts installed,time to get the timing right,the spark needs to be there,we just put the best tires on the ground(Barkley) and we are idling up to the line. When the light goes green we need to drop the hammer. Hurts is driving
June 8, 20242 yr Author 4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said: Gotta expect some kind of learning curve here though. Year two…three can be evolved much further in this system with this group of talented players. But more short term is just not expecting a finished master piece week one. Very unrealistic. YES!!!!! Why do you view this as us being haters??? We simply stated the fact that it's time to STEP UP. IMO last year there was no "learning curve" Very simple pedestrian plays,but even those need to be executed
June 9, 20242 yr Author 3 hours ago, joemas6 said: You a fan of music? You understand the concept that a band must work together to make the music for a song. Does that mean there is no such thing as comparing singers, drummers ,guitarists , keyboard players? It's similar when specifically talking about those individuals and comparing....when we compare the salary cap management/ contract writing between organizations. You have a favorite band.... are all the guys in that band your favorite individuals at their instrument? Great explanation
June 9, 20242 yr Author 42 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: I do, I saw 1 read a pull it down far too often,then the called run plays. Even on a pull down and run you ALWAYS keep looking downfield. Did you miss the multiple games where guys were waving frantically for the ball???? Only to be denied?? These are the steps needed to become a complete QB. TG we have an O line or Hurts would be toast by now. Just need Hurts to become more "Mahomes like". On broken plays Mahomes is still looking to deliver the ball downfield,and I will agree Hurts is the much better runner than Mahomes,Hurts needs to use his mobility to move around IN the pocket before giving up on a pass play. I hoping the new offense being installed and camp will trigger more of this type thing. It would put Hurts in the TRUE MVP discussions,not the O line tush push victories. You may differ with my opinion,that is fine. Last year meagerly simple offense was hard to judge,now I expect it to be more open. Not expecting "air Coryell" year 1,but we should see a step in that direction. Hurts is short for a QB,he has to work a little harder to see downfield. Buying time in the pocket will do that . I know you view this as "Hurts hating". Far from it. Although it was HS I had the unique experience of learning both RB and TE. In both cases I had to block and the reasons for an offensive weapon to block?To buy time for the QB. I was the 3rd down RB. I was fast but not quite fast enough(or shifty) I was skinny for a TE at 180(which was ok in HS back then not now-see ASG's grandson lol). I wish my HS coach had gone pro. He would make players play positions totally out of their realm,so EVERYONE on the team understood what the other guys jobs were.After a few practices and him deciding player placements,we would do this for a whole week. Most of us failed terribly at our new assignments,but WOW you really got to see what other guys on the team had to do to make it work. I had to play QB once in practice. It was very ugly,but you knew what he was up against. Just saying Hurts needs to take his next NFL step. This is not hating the man,it's just what is required in the NFL BTW guys I still talk to remember that week as standing out SO much. It really brought the team together because you learned real fast to respect what your teammates already knew,and this was just HS. I can say without a doubt I was the worst HS QB my school ever had(except for maybe the line guys that had to play it HAHAHA). So last practice one Friday and you knew where you were playing next practice. We had no computers in the stone age,so you had to read the playbook,call that guy on the phone and cram as much as possible. Monday came and you were given a new assignment for Tuesday. It really opens your eyes. It was a whole week of WTF??? LOL But I will never forget it
June 9, 20242 yr Author 9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Great explanation BTW I had already typed my post,then smiled when I saw this one
June 9, 20242 yr 5 hours ago, joemas6 said: The play you don’t understand what occurred and why on…again and again
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