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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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I gotta admit 2021 I wasn’t as confident we’d make the playoffs…before tge season. But I was the very singular person here predicting once Siri gave up playcalling we could get on the run and make the playoffs guided by Hurts…against all odds …with a terrible start to that season. Only one here that believed…and said so. Everybody including you denied it and laughed me off as being a moron and no idea what I was talking about. Impossible with no chance as the unanimous opinion here besides my lone voice. This is fact! It happened!

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8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Talked about the whole two weeks leading up to the SB. Before the Niners game even actually.

Again... AZ needed to ask for permission 3 weeks prior to that.   So at that point the idea was Gannon was going to be a candidate. 

Since they couldn't talk to him until after the Superbowl ( because they didn't make initial contact 3 weeks prior)  and they were interviewing other candidates.   Nothing was guaranteed...THAT EARLY. 

AGAIN...THE EAGLES WEREN'T GOING TO FIRE GANNON DURING THE PLAYOFFS AND HIRE FANGIO. 

 

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I very specifically explained it time and time again 

What did you explain?

You are a legend in your own mind!

We were like 2-5 when I believed in 2021. Was very proud of that team what they accomplished.

Just now, joemas6 said:

You are a legend in your own mind!

It’s been written all right here on these boards. You can try and pint to occasions I’ve been wrong. They obviously have happened. But you can’t say I didn’t predict and explain these outcomes. I haven’t been like you waiting for hindsight. I always give my opinions on the fly right when these decisions  are being made….right or wrong…you can’t possibly be denying you’ve heard my opinion on each piece along the way.

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What did you explain?

How about the much easier question…what has happened with our team I haven’t given my opinion about right then?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

How about the much easier question…what has happened with our team I haven’t given my opinion about right then?

Name a contract, coaching or player decision I haven’t given an opinion on.

15 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Name a contract, coaching or player decision I haven’t given an opinion on.

Dude... what prediction...of any salary cap issues have you given pertaining to the Eagles?

You still don't get how the way they do contacts is the right way.   

A bad player decision...is not the same as a bad contract decision.   Salary cap management is contracts.   The Eagles do that well.   

ALL of the Eagles issued stem off of picking wring players...not how they do their contracts. 

Dallas gets the right players... they don't handle their contracts correctly. 

You keep pointing out their success  being similar to our regular season withi the division etc.   Right...because we have issues picking players and they have issues knowing how to pay them.

If one team would figure out their weakness... then it wouldn't be close.   Which the example is how when we actually get the right players it's not close.  They can't finish the puzzle because they can't sign the right free agents because they manage their cap poorly.

Their cap management will restrict them...always.  We can be the blind squirrel getting lucky on personnel decisions.  Our cap management gives us the opportunity to swing...making contact is a different issue.  But at least we can take swings.

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Name a contract, coaching or player decision I haven’t given an opinion on.

What's your opinion on Hurts contract?

20 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Dude... what prediction...of any salary cap issues have you given pertaining to the Eagles?

You still don't get how the way they do contacts is the right way.   

A bad player decision...is not the same as a bad contract decision.   Salary cap management is contracts.   The Eagles do that well.   

ALL of the Eagles issued stem off of picking wring players...not how they do their contracts. 

Dallas gets the right players... they don't handle their contracts correctly. 

You keep pointing out their success  being similar to our regular season withi the division etc.   Right...because we have issues picking players and they have issues knowing how to pay them.

If one team would figure out their weakness... then it wouldn't be close.   Which the example is how when we actually get the right players it's not close.  They can't finish the puzzle because they can't sign the right free agents because they manage their cap poorly.

Their cap management will restrict them...always.  We can be the blind squirrel getting lucky on personnel decisions.  Our cap management gives us the opportunity to swing...making contact is a different issue.  But at least we can take swings.

Salary cap involves player decisions. Picking the right players signing to the right numbers. The combination. You once again bring up Dallas….like there is one person in the world that has agreed with their contract negotiations. Once AGAIN you try to bring Dallas as the bar of how…look how great Rosie does compared to the worst at it. The cowboys payment methods while at least being mostly on the right players is the lowest bar to compare to. When are you going to stop using the lowest bar for Rosie to rise above acting like he’s brilliant because at least he isn’t the worst. But you know what…at least Jerruh played football. He’s a football guy. No shocker the difference between the big football guy and the guy who never played football in his life on player decisions. Obvious! Like most all of it. I’m not a legend…I just keep pointing out the very obvious. But some how here that seems to really stand out….many times alone….almost always in the minority opinion at the least.

Your point is Jerruh does contracts like McDonalds …look how great this Five Guys burger is. When all along I’m eating steak at Flemings Steakhouse wondering why you want fries with that?

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5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

If the O playcaller calls a good or great play which guy should the QB be throwing to? First read.

If the QB reads the D correctly presnap which guy should he throw the ball to? First read. 

So the goal is to throw the ball to the first read….by the playcaller and the QB doing theirs jobs well.

 

 

 

 

If your first read is covered-2nd read(except for Hurts)  If your 2nd read is covered-3rd read(except for Hurts) seeing a pattern yet? Just because you read a D(except for Hurts) doesn't mean he will give you said window C'mon now!!!!

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5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Watch Jalen Hurts presser. It was exact quote from him.

So he was talking about himself in the 3rd person?

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13 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

"So that’s exactly what makes it different. The X’s and O’s, the lines on the paper, they may very well be what they’re supposed to be but how I coach and how I detail these routes, how I coach the quarterback, what I want his timing to be, where I want him looking, where I want his eyes. Are receivers reading routes? Are they not reading routes? Are there alerts on this? Are there checks and adjustments built in on this? Or is there something that someone has to do, that the quarterback has to do? That’s what makes a system a system.” 
 Quote from Hurts figured I’d share

This sounds like something the QB coach would say

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5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Now read that quote once again…maybe two more times slowly. Let it sink in what Hurts is telling you. I think it’s all right there.
  The alerts. The receiver read. The QBs eyes. Checks and adjustments. This is what makes an offensive system.

Read that quote again. It sounds like the QB coach. why would Hurts speak in the 3rd person??? Makes no sense unless he said "here's what coach told me" except that part was left out

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5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Now it’s fake news to say Hurts didn’t throw to his second, third and even fourth reads. Rewatch the games again. You can say he didn’t find every most open receiving option. That’s fair. Happens every game with every QB. That’s football. You want to say he failed more than most great QBs should? You at least could defend that position as he could have been seeing them at a better rate. But he actually bought so much extra time so very often going through progressions. He went through the first two reads….they weren’t open….then had to escape pressure…allowing the plays to develop more…then threw. It was a big theme of our O last season. The commentators joked about it. Said they don’t know the play per se….but know that Hurts will escape pressure then hit his guy downfield with the throw. Like over and over again. We ran RPOs, Screens and long developing pass plays…with some straight running plays mixed in. Some Goedert YAC Creation plays added in. Hurts has been excellent at the big plays. Every coach loves creating big plays. But they just abused it. So how do you effect the big plays if you are D? Blitz and drop your guys back deep. It’s like our O didn’t have WR making reads almost at all to break off on hot route adjustments. Known heavy blitz was coming…whole stadium knew it…yet receiving targets still on long developing routes. So what was the coaches answer to this? They really didn’t have any answers to it…only really one thing they gave to counter it….throw a bubble screen. So as things went along we saw our opponents were reading basically these two options. Deep….or screen. Watch every single Quick Slant that we ran. Success every single time. Goedert crushed them on his Quick Out. You can see them in the highlights…worked every time. But those highlights of the quick plays …are cataloging every single time that those plays were called. 

1 read and run is Hurts game. it's time for him to step up-end of discussion

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2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

On the radio the one guy made a legit point about why Siri didn't get fired. 

The idea was Howie / Lurie couldn't fire Siri after picking his coordinators last year, who did an awful job.    Not after the success of the previous teams that had Siri’s guys at coordinators. 

So he stays and the coordinators get replaced with Siri having influence on the coordinators. 

Apparently Moore was Siri’s first choice this year while Fangio was a favorite among all of them. 

Siri will be on the hot seat if this team can't compete

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2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Like I exactly also said…”watch the presser.”

I'm deaf so I can't do that

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Salary cap involves player decisions. Picking the right players signing to the right numbers. The combination. You once again bring up Dallas….like there is one person in the world that has agreed with their contract negotiations. Once AGAIN you try to bring Dallas as the bar of how…look how great Rosie does compared to the worst at it. The cowboys payment methods while at least being mostly on the right players is the lowest bar to compare to. When are you going to stop using the lowest bar for Rosie to rise above acting like he’s brilliant because at least he isn’t the worst. But you know what…at least Jerruh played football. He’s a football guy. No shocker the difference between the big football guy and the guy who never played football in his life on player decisions. Obvious! Like most all of it. I’m not a legend…I just keep pointing out the very obvious. But some how here that seems to really stand out….many times alone….almost always in the minority opinion at the least.

Salary cap does not involve player decisions.   You pick the wrong player that's bad talent evaluation...that's coaches.... not the needs with the pocket protectors crunching the numbers. 

If your GM runs the whole show .  It's not his contract team that made the mistake.. that's the personnel dept. 

For Dallas... the guys wearing the pocket protectors are not doing the contracts correctly ..after Jerry's guys who pick the players get them in.

 

Just now, joemas6 said:

Salary cap does not involve player decisions.   You pick the wrong player that's bad talent evaluation...that's coaches.... not the needs with the pocket protectors crunching the numbers. 

If your GM runs the whole show .  It's not his contract team that made the mistake.. that's the personnel dept. 

For Dallas... the guys wearing the pocket protectors are not doing the contracts correctly ..after Jerry's guys who pick the players get them in.

 

While it may be all under the salary cap to you ...

The mistake of picking the wrong player to give money to... is different than incorrectly paying the right player.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If your first read is covered-2nd read(except for Hurts)  If your 2nd read is covered-3rd read(except for Hurts) seeing a pattern yet? Just because you read a D(except for Hurts) doesn't mean he will give you said window C'mon now!!!!

Except the pattern was more going through reads that weren’t open yet on long developing patterns and Hurts bought the extra time to go through more and longer reads. You need to watch the games man.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So he was talking about himself in the 3rd person?

 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

This sounds like something the QB coach would say

 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Read that quote again. It sounds like the QB coach. why would Hurts speak in the 3rd person??? Makes no sense unless he said "here's what coach told me" except that part was left out

Well not your fault if you can’t listen to the presser. I apologize if I came off as anything less that trying to be informative. But it’s coming across as your almost getting there to what Hurts is laying out there telling you. 

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

This sounds like something the QB coach would say

Coach Doug

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Now read that quote once again…maybe two more times slowly. Let it sink in what Hurts is telling you. I think it’s all right there.
  The alerts. The receiver read. The QBs eyes. Checks and adjustments. This is what makes an offensive system.

Hurts is telling you NOW under Moore we have what can actually be referred to as a system….for a change. Listing off what Coach Doug is teaching to run the plays. Explaining the difference from previously just getting the play written on paper…having plays called….to now being in an actual system. At first I was thinking he was comparing to last season only maybe….but really think he’s talking about his time under Siri. Been missing the system. Not just first, second, third read scramble to avoid the rush and run or pass. Details to each playcall according to the D being faced.

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