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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

You aren't grasping which of the sides is making the mistakes.

Eagles... the football guys

Dallas ... the contract guys.

I've repeatedly said...they are good getting players.... don't handle the contracts well.    

We don't get the right players on the same percentage.   We just take more swings because our salary cap guys provide more of an opportunity by keeping more cap space open.

The 2 work together.. one side F##king up ruins it.  My comments have always been on which area is the weakness for each team 

You understand this on the field when you point out LB ...why can't you see the Dallas salary cap dept is their version of our LBs.

I understand very clearly what’s going on with Dallas. Why they are the only comparison you can make trying to slurp Rosie’s nuts so hard for I can also understand. Easy target on the contract side of things. They are better at player selection but become rushed in Jerryh’s last old age days on the attempt to get him his last sunshine year with not paying up on the quality players they have.  I don’t agree with Rosie’s way either. Just because he backloads so heavily on noncontending teams to push the cap hits back on the teams that we plan on contending with. You spend the cap dollars on the selected players and structure it in the very consistent path every time. Exactly why I see it coming and predict it years in advance this pattern. Telling you the cycle over and over again. 

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1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK thanks,thats what I meant,he was quoting his coach-all I was saying

Yeah you aren’t alone on how he worded the point of view so much. But he was getting home the point of how now he is in a system.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

YES!!!!! Why do you view this as us being haters??? We simply stated the fact that it's time to STEP UP. IMO last year there was no "learning curve" Very simple pedestrian plays,but even those need to be executed

You can’t overcome everything. I’m just on the side of understanding how it wasn’t a worthy top level NFL system O last season. Frankly kind of saying pretty much not really the whole time under Siri. Think Steichen at least mixed in quality playcalling cohesion and balance to even the odds some. Without that? Hurts needs to do better. But he lost his QB coach to become an unprepared OC instead for us …under a HC that doesn’t really add value or answers. Do you really believe Hurts is just so uncoachable? Or is it the coaches weren’t giving him the quality alternatives and answers? Knowing the situation of what the D was going to do and dialing up terrible playcalls to confront it…answered the coaching failures enough to me. If they were so blind to keep calling the bad plays to counter the known D playcalls….then it’s clear they weren’t offering better checkdowns or audibles either. Siri and Johnson didn’t have the answers …but your expectations are the QB should have them over the coaches being paid to do those exact jobs?

I’ve been consistently questioning this stuff all last season and begging for that change this offseason. By a ridiculous amount lowest percentage O league wide in motion. Now we are going to see motion. Ridiculous low levels of the timing intermediate and quick passing game. Now we’ll see this element added. Bunch formations being added. Are these not exactly the three areas I was harping on needed to change all last season ? The exact things I was pointing out the whole time. Now the answers from an experienced OC and QB coach have been overwhelmingly being reported they are being these most obvious answers to combat things. 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

YES!!!!! Why do you view this as us being haters??? We simply stated the fact that it's time to STEP UP. IMO last year there was no "learning curve" Very simple pedestrian plays,but even those need to be executed

This is year one in the system though you are realizing in my statement….i don’t think you did realize that was my point.

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

You spin and change the subject constantly. Always skipping ahead...can never stay on one specific subject. It's why we all have to constantly explain things 100 times to you. 

 

Are you referring to our new O system …you bounced away from?

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah you aren’t alone on how he worded the point of view so much. But he was getting home the point of how now he is in a system.

I'm happy for Hurts. He now has a functioning system. That should be vital to his development(as long as it works lol). The defensive improvements will give him more opportunities as well

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You can’t overcome everything. I’m just on the side of understanding how it wasn’t a worthy top level NFL system O last season. Frankly kind of saying pretty much not really the whole time under Siri. Think Steichen at least mixed in quality playcalling cohesion and balance to even the odds some. Without that? Hurts needs to do better. But he lost his QB coach to become an unprepared OC instead for us …under a HC that doesn’t really add value or answers. Do you really believe Hurts is just so uncoachable? Or is it the coaches weren’t giving him the quality alternatives and answers? Knowing the situation of what the D was going to do and dialing up terrible playcalls to confront it…answered the coaching failures enough to me. If they were so blind to keep calling the bad plays to counter the known D playcalls….then it’s clear they weren’t offering better checkdowns or audibles either. Siri and Johnson didn’t have the answers …but your expectations are the QB should have them over the coaches being paid to do those exact jobs?

Hopefully Hurts is being TAUGHT. He needs to "expand his horizons" now. The tush push should not be the main play of your offense,and while it works(ed) because we don't know how the new O line guys will do there). Hurts has many things to learn yet. IMO he should be farther along than he is,but you sighted some reasons why he isn't. Let's hope some things were corrected now and he can more forward. Our TOP WR's who have been locked in are counting on him as are Paris and Goedert. All players need to participate

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm happy for Hurts. He now has a functioning system. That should be vital to his development(as long as it works lol). The defensive improvements will give him more opportunities as well

Well we did lose Cox whom was our rock and leader on the Dline. Lost Reddick our best defender and pass rusher. This after we felt the loss of Hargave last season. Not sure how to evaluate expectations for Sidney Brown this year. But got Fangio.

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is year one in the system though you are realizing in my statement….i don’t think you did realize that was my point.

Systems can come and go,last year was bad. IDK that it could get worse as far as running a decent offense. We got away with the tush push offense. Hurts needs to involve others more frequently than he has not just last year,but since he has been our QB. Time for the gloves to come off . Barkley will help hurts ALOT

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49 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Big Dom Senior HC Onfield Babysitter

Whatever combo works

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5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Well we did lose Cox whom was our rock and leader on the Dline. Lost Reddick our best defender and pass rusher. This after we felt the loss of Hargave last season. Not sure how to evaluate expectations for Sidney Brown this year. But got Fangio.

Huff is no slouch read up on him. secondary should get better all year as these rookies learn and grow. Dejean is going to be a beast someday. It will take time. Mitchell looks great already and that is a HUGE improvement. Anxious to see how Fangio uses the multi faceted guys we have. I doubt he has ever had this much versatility to work with. I hope there are some better looks now. We need stunts and blitzing more than we usually do. I am planning on being pleasantly shocked on both sides of the ball. If the O line pans out Barkley will set our ground game on fire 

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hopefully Hurts is being TAUGHT. He needs to "expand his horizons" now. The tush push should not be the main play of your offense,and while it works(ed) because we don't know how the new O line guys will do there). Hurts has many things to learn yet. IMO he should be farther along than he is,but you sighted some reasons why he isn't. Let's hope some things were corrected now and he can more forward. Our TOP WR's who have been locked in are counting on him as are Paris and Goedert. All players need to participate

I’m not happy looking past those top two WRs. Especially if one goes down to ann extended injury. Parris is clearly the guy we are looking to. I’m withholding judgement on him right now. Ainias not sure if he’s ready for prime time yet. Might take him some time here to get there. Plus there are durability questions with him. John Ross just trying to be optimistic about. Think we actually need another WR. One preferably that can play outside. Becton might turn out to be that gem signing this season. Had his head up his butt so far in his career. But seems like Stout might be unlocking him. Could be a real good positive to get that huge moving mountain involved. Want to punish opponents with our RBs. I’m leaning Barkley, Shipley and Milton here. Use this physical Oline to punch the D in the mouth going forward more consistently. Then can go backwards with the passing game. It’s a mentality that especially works with our Oline personnel. Add in Goedert here also.

 The expanding of horizons I see as a coaching thing. 

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1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Think we actually need another WR.

Agreed

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Systems can come and go,last year was bad. IDK that it could get worse as far as running a decent offense. We got away with the tush push offense. Hurts needs to involve others more frequently than he has not just last year,but since he has been our QB. Time for the gloves to come off . Barkley will help hurts ALOT

Let’s judge him under his first year in a real NFL offensive system. I think Hurts has been good for us. He has much to clean up…especially the turnovers last season. He took a serious pounding last year. Just shouldn’t be the case. 

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1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not happy looking past those top two WRs. Especially if one goes down to ann extended injury. Parris is clearly the guy we are looking to. I’m withholding judgement on him right now. Ainias not sure if he’s ready for prime time yet. Might take him some time here to get there. Plus there are durability questions with him. John Ross just trying to be optimistic about. Think we actually need another WR. One preferably that can play outside. Becton might turn out to be that gem signing this season. Had his head up his butt so far in his career. But seems like Stout might be unlocking him. Could be a real good positive to get that huge moving mountain involved. Want to punish opponents with our RBs. I’m leaning Barkley, Shipley and Milton here. Use this physical Oline to punch the D in the mouth going forward more consistently. Then can go backwards with the passing game. It’s a mentality that especially works with our Oline personnel. Add in Goedert here also.

 The expanding of horizons I see as a coaching thing. 

We got that kid from FL state. It will take time for him also,he's very rough but can be used in many ways. Agree Ainias is not ready. I'm hoping he can at least fill in 1/2 way through the season. he is also a good returner so I suspect we use him there or RB 3 who has a terrific cast to learn from

14 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Systems can come and go,last year was bad. IDK that it could get worse as far as running a decent offense. We got away with the tush push offense. Hurts needs to involve others more frequently than he has not just last year,but since he has been our QB. Time for the gloves to come off . Barkley will help hurts ALOT

Last year wasn’t a system is the point. It was just incoherent playcalling.

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Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Let’s judge him under his first year in a real NFL offensive system. I think Hurts has been good for us. He has much to clean up…especially the turnovers last season. He took a serious pounding last year. Just shouldn’t be the case. 

Alot was self inflicted. You can't hold the ball. teams are figuring out how to force him left and he needs an answer for that which as I keep saying is doing multiple reads quickly Running left is one of his worst traits. He is not good at it. he needs to move IN the pocket more instead of just taking off after read 1. Hopefully this system will teach him how to do it

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