June 6, 20241 yr The biggest factor in all of this is the time frame. The cap going up significantly each year.
June 6, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Top paid nonQBs: Jefferson 35 Bosa 34 AJ 32. DTJones 31.7 Amon 30 Cheetah 30 Waddle 28.2 Allen 28.2 Burns 28.2 Adams 28 Watt 28 DT Wilkins 27.5 Kupp 26.7 Smitty 25 Garrett 25 What did the list look like in March? You see the point yet? The timing. This is when the WRs were hitting the market. When did the D guys sign?
June 6, 20241 yr You keep trying to make an argument like anybody here said the cowboys are doing contracts in a fantastic way. Nobody here ever said that. In fact I don’t recall anybody …anywhere saying that. It’s well known how they are screwing this whole contract situation. At least they got guys playing in contract year situations all the time. I’m actually leaning towards thinking Parsons maybe gets his 40 mil…elsewhere. The only way I see hitting 40 to begin next offseason.
June 6, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Top paid nonQBs: Jefferson 35 Bosa 34 AJ 32. DTJones 31.7 Amon 30 Cheetah 30 Waddle 28.2 Allen 28.2 Burns 28.2 Adams 28 Watt 28 DT Wilkins 27.5 Kupp 26.7 Smitty 25 Garrett 25 And look and the last 2. Smitty and Garrett. When is Smith going to make $25 mil per? The extension was added to his 5th year....5th year is 2025...that means 25 mil isn't reality until 2026. When did Garrett start making the $25 mil? See the difference? Parsons will have 4 years completed... that $40 mil # will start ASAP.
June 6, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, joemas6 said: What did the list look like in March? You see the point yet? The timing. This is when the WRs were hitting the market. When did the D guys sign? Jones, Allen,Burns and Wilkins signed this offseason
June 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: You keep trying to make an argument like anybody here said the cowboys are doing contracts in a fantastic way. Nobody here ever said that. In fact I don’t recall anybody …anywhere saying that. It’s well known how they are screwing this whole contract situation. At least they got guys playing in contract year situations all the time. I’m actually leaning towards thinking Parsons maybe gets his 40 mil…elsewhere. The only way I see hitting 40 to begin next offseason. But why do you put any significance in " beginning of the offseason " vs If he gets paid next August? It's the same as far as cap hit etc. It's being paid starting in 2025 season. He will absolutely get paid in Dallas as they control his 5th year. That gives time to negotiate... just like it's Lamb's 5th year coming up But you pointed out just like Parsons did ... the cap opens up for Dallas to pay him next year. Why would they be able to keep Lamb without the cap space but lose Parsons when they have it. Jerry is paying him $40mil... book it.
June 6, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Jones, Allen,Burns and Wilkins signed this offseason Garrett, Watt, Bosa ..... are market setters....just like Parsons will be. These guys you mentioned...aren't the market setters.
June 6, 20241 yr Just now, joemas6 said: Garrett, Watt, Bosa ..... are market setters....just like Parsons will be. These guys you mentioned...aren't the market setters. Come on man...you know this.
June 6, 20241 yr But I’m not going as far to say the pass rushers won’t have a comeback. WR market has really blown up though. Whole different world than trying to compare historically. You just know Myles Garrett is frothing at this market after the Jefferson signing.
June 6, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Jones, Allen,Burns and Wilkins signed this offseason Realistically... did any of these guys have the clout to set the market? You know it's not the same as Bosa, Garrett, Watt...Parsons. But we knew JJ had the clout to reset the WR market significantly.
June 6, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: But I’m not going as far to say the pass rushers won’t have a comeback. WR market has really blown up though. Whole different world than trying to compare historically. You just know Myles Garrett is frothing at this market after the Jefferson signing. It's the timing. Really nothing more.
June 6, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: But I’m not going as far to say the pass rushers won’t have a comeback. WR market has really blown up though. Whole different world than trying to compare historically. You just know Myles Garrett is frothing at this market after the Jefferson signing. Yes....now you get it with Garrett.
June 6, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, joemas6 said: But why do you put any significance in " beginning of the offseason " vs If he gets paid next August? It's the same as far as cap hit etc. It's being paid starting in 2025 season. He will absolutely get paid in Dallas as they control his 5th year. That gives time to negotiate... just like it's Lamb's 5th year coming up But you pointed out just like Parsons did ... the cap opens up for Dallas to pay him next year. Why would they be able to keep Lamb without the cap space but lose Parsons when they have it. Jerry is paying him $40mil... book it. My statement was referring to his about starting next offseason where the market will be. I’ve been clear about how I don’t see anybody moving the market again after Jefferson. Not unless Jerruh coughs up the dough right now for Parsons…and he accepts it. But I will not "book it” that Jerruh will be paying parsons 40. He could still franchise tag him…or trade him…that’s after considering the fifth year option.
June 6, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: But I’m not going as far to say the pass rushers won’t have a comeback. WR market has really blown up though. Whole different world than trying to compare historically. You just know Myles Garrett is frothing at this market after the Jefferson signing. Garrett signed for 25 mil per...in 2020!!!! What did $25 mil value in 2020 compare to today? If he was 4 years younger now...he signs for way more than JJ.
June 6, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Realistically... did any of these guys have the clout to set the market? You know it's not the same as Bosa, Garrett, Watt...Parsons. But we knew JJ had the clout to reset the WR market significantly. I can agree with this some what. I think Jefferson had the clout to be the top paid nonQB period though…not the WR market.
June 6, 20241 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said: My statement was referring to his about starting next offseason where the market will be. I’ve been clear about how I don’t see anybody moving the market again after Jefferson. Not unless Jerruh coughs up the dough right now for Parsons…and he accepts it. But I will not "book it” that Jerruh will be paying parsons 40. He could still franchise tag him…or trade him…that’s after considering the fifth year option. You take too literally about that... I'll translate...:" hey Jerry my market starts at 40 mil next year. " Do you really think he was talking about March 2025??? Lol
June 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: I can agree with this some what. I think Jefferson had the clout to be the top paid nonQB. If Garrett Bosa, Watt and Parsons would have all been same draft... you really think JJ would be highest paid of that group???
June 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, joemas6 said: You take too literally about that... I'll translate...:" hey Jerry my market starts at 40 mil next year. " Do you really think he was talking about March 2025??? Lol I was exactly stating literally to start next offseason which players would move the market to get things to 40 between now and then. That’s what I clearly stated.
June 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, joemas6 said: If Garrett Bosa, Watt and Parsons would have all been same draft... you really think JJ would be highest paid of that group??? Would you think Kirk Cousins would have made the money he has?
June 6, 20241 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said: Would you think Kirk Cousins would have made the money he has? Focus!
June 6, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: I was exactly stating literally to start next offseason which players would move the market to get things to 40 between now and then. That’s what I clearly stated. Parsons .. will move the market. Doesn't need anyone else to do it. Nobody else should get close to that.
June 6, 20241 yr Just now, joemas6 said: Focus! Timing and opportunity are key. Jefferson was signing for top nonQB money…repeated.
June 6, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Parsons .. will move the market. Doesn't need anyone else to do it. Nobody else should get close to that. If Garrett gets resigned to 43 mil…Parsons will top that after. (Just for an example)
June 6, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Timing and opportunity are key. Jefferson was signing for top nonQB money…repeated. Repeated...Jefferson was the best WR...he was already going to set that market. That was obvious. It was significant for him...a WR...to get higher than a DL. I'll repeat point # 2...he was able to beat the DL...because they already signed. As you point out. Garrett 5 years $125 million was signed in July 2020. 4 season have been played. Watt and Bosa already signed and played. Jefferson extension for the $35 million takes effect 2025 season. The timing and inflation value can justify the WR setting up to make more in 2025 than the other guys who already played. As will it justify Parsons to bring the DL money back over the WR money because it's historically been that way...plus he will sign a year after Jefferson to where that 40 mil will kick in 2026.
June 6, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: If Garrett gets resigned to 43 mil…Parsons will top that after. (Just for an example) We can only hope. Garrett's deal runs through 2026....back when deals were made to redo them prior to the last season. I'm looking at it...not sure if he gets a new deal that there is a need to give him that much with 2 more seasons left. I think if the deal was significant like that 43 # ... it would be after 2025. But that would be awesome. Bump up Parsons another few mil...lol. pay up Jerry.
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