May 31, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Again with this dead money.... you need to start learning how it works. Zero cap hit to trade Reddick. They could have actually saved some cap space by doing it this year, but they took it all in one shot to save the full amount next year... because...and lets follow... it's the same cap hit whether he played here or not in 2024. However, if he played here this year, then we would have an additional $13 million cap hit in the future. So the move... Having Reddick play this year would cost us $13 million plus a day 2 draft pick. We have our pass rusher here now... you could snap your fingers and give the Jets back the pick and take a $13 mil cap hit next year... would you do it for the Reddick you saw in 2023... with your eyes, not regurgitating stats. Knowing he was going to be a year older. Plus... if you think he would be disgruntled? Or you have to pay him more and take an even bigger cap hit? For me... since I'm not a junkie or emotional , or looking to take a shot at the GM or coach every chance I get... I like the trade option. I wouldn't give back the pick and take the permanent cap hit. Nor take away snaps from the young guys. Not for the Reddick I think I'm going to get this year. But lets see if Huff, Hunt and smith can combine to create more than one turnover? Or 10 sacks. Lets see if any of them make a play in coverage So us taking the cap hit and him playing for the Jets is why they call it…Dead Money.
May 31, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Again with this dead money.... you need to start learning how it works. Zero cap hit to trade Reddick. They could have actually saved some cap space by doing it this year, but they took it all in one shot to save the full amount next year... because...and lets follow... it's the same cap hit whether he played here or not in 2024. However, if he played here this year, then we would have an additional $13 million cap hit in the future. So the move... Having Reddick play this year would cost us $13 million plus a day 2 draft pick. We have our pass rusher here now... you could snap your fingers and give the Jets back the pick and take a $13 mil cap hit next year... would you do it for the Reddick you saw in 2023... with your eyes, not regurgitating stats. Knowing he was going to be a year older. Plus... if you think he would be disgruntled? Or you have to pay him more and take an even bigger cap hit? For me... since I'm not a junkie or emotional , or looking to take a shot at the GM or coach every chance I get... I like the trade option. I wouldn't give back the pick and take the permanent cap hit. Nor take away snaps from the young guys. Not for the Reddick I think I'm going to get this year. But let’s see if Huff, Hunt and smith can combine to create more than one turnover? Or 10 sacks. Lets see if any of them make a play in coverage Would be the first if any of them did create more than 10 sacks. Something reddick did as routine.
May 31, 20241 yr See I’m just not as forgiving of the massively backloading of contracts by Rosie as you. So Rosie created this pretext with every contract to be forced to trade Reddick. Everything you are talking about with the cap be it Dead money or not…begins with the contract structuring. Signing a guy to 46 mil but only taking a 3.8 mil cap hit year one….is what created the situation you are pretty much fully talking about. 2024 cap and future cap owed. Backloaded …so how do we deal with that? Answer: forced to trade best defender for equivalent of a sixth round pick.
May 31, 20241 yr Tons of shorter passing today it’s being reported. Exactly what I have been asking for. Motion and more timing and short to medium passing. This is what can win me over from our new OC. Funny how supposedly Hurts didn’t look good….but this makes me very happy to hear.
May 31, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Could have adjusted and figured it out last season. But really had the look of him eying Huff and Hunt so massively this offseason. Wasn't he here in 2022 to see Reddick...plus his whole career with the film. I mean,you are an expert after watching a few highlights...surely a 40 year coach should know with everything he has seen for Reddick’s career including the first hand view from 2022.
May 31, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, joemas6 said: Wasn't he here in 2022 to see Reddick...plus his whole career with the film. I mean,you are an expert after watching a few highlights...surely a 40 year coach should know with everything he has seen for Reddick’s career including the first hand view from 2022. You don’t agree with my thoughts on what you quoted?
May 31, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: See I’m just not as forgiving of the massively backloading of contracts by Rosie as you. So Rosie created this pretext with every contract to be forced to trade Reddick. Everything you are talking about with the cap be it Dead money or not…begins with the contract structuring. Signing a guy to 46 mil but only taking a 3.8 mil cap hit year one….is what created the situation you are pretty much fully talking about. 2024 cap and future cap owed. Backloaded …so how do we deal with that? Answer: forced to trade best defender for equivalent of a sixth round pick. You don't want to understand how contracts work. I get it... I'll quit trying to explain it.
May 31, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, joemas6 said: You don't want to understand how contracts work. I get it... I'll quit trying to explain it. So year one having a 3.8 cap hit on that sizable contract you don’t see as any factor?
May 31, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: You don’t agree with my thoughts on what you quoted? I think Fangio didn't want Reddick. Yes that is my thought. I think he wants the younger guys so he can have more influence on their play. I think he wants the ability to drop them in coverage...Hunt. And I think they view Huff as more efficient of a pass rusher... plus younger and better long term. Plus I think they want to get Smith a lot of snaps.
May 31, 20241 yr Just now, joemas6 said: I think Fangio didn't want Reddick. Yes that is my thought. I think he wants the younger guys so he can have more influence on their play. I think he wants the ability to drop them in coverage...Hunt. And I think they view Huff as more efficient of a pass rusher... plus younger and better long term. Plus I think they want to get Smith a lot of snaps. So if Rosie doesn’t screw the pooch and Fangio stays here last season…is Reddick shipped off last offseason then?
May 31, 20241 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said: So if Rosie doesn’t screw the pooch and Fangio stays here last season…is Reddick shipped off last offseason then? Sounds like you are really convinced Fangio is very anti-Reddick. Where-as I was leaning more on Fangio fell in love with these two additions this offseason in Huff and Hunt. Maybe it’s just both.
May 31, 20241 yr Does seem like near league wide Reddick has been underestimated and under appreciated. I’ve felt revolving mostly just around his size. Why we got him for the bargain we did.
May 31, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: So year one having a 3.8 cap hit on that sizable contract you don’t see as any factor? Ok... for a goof...one last time 4 years 40 million Year 1.... 3.8 million Year 2... 7 million Year 3 ... 12.2 million Year 4.... 17 million If the player finishes the deal...the Cao hit is 40 million over 4 years... If you don't want to keep the player... you can release or trade the player...and you avoid the big cap hit The cap is a rolling cap. So if tou flip the numbers the other way....you don't get an advantage. Because of less carryover. The backloading gives you options. There is zero negative to backloaded contracts...because any extra cost later... only catches up to the savings early on. It NEVER costs more doing it with the backload.
May 31, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, joemas6 said: Ok... for a goof...one last time 4 years 40 million Year 1.... 3.8 million Year 2... 7 million Year 3 ... 12.2 million Year 4.... 17 million If the player finishes the deal...the Cao hit is 40 million over 4 years... If you don't want to keep the player... you can release or trade the player...and you avoid the big cap hit The cap is a rolling cap. So if tou flip the numbers the other way....you don't get an advantage. Because of less carryover. The backloading gives you options. There is zero negative to backloaded contracts...because any extra cost later... only catches up to the savings early on. It NEVER costs more doing it with the backload. So if you wish to trade this player…would you receive better trade compensation with 17 mil on the hook? Or 7 ?
May 31, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: So if Rosie doesn’t screw the pooch and Fangio stays here last season…is Reddick shipped off last offseason then? No... contract wasn't designed for that....it would cost more to release him last year. This year was the out. Plus ... coming off of 2022...the turnover creation specialist Reddick...the closer Reddick.. Nope. But after 2023... bye bye. Plus the other factors... Smith, Huff and Hunt.... rookie Smith and the other 2 weren't able to be Eagles yet.
May 31, 20241 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said: So if you wish to trade this player…would you receive better trade compensation with 17 mil on the hook? Or 7 ? You think you were getting a first round pick for Reddick🤣🤣🤣🤣
May 31, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, joemas6 said: You think you were getting a first round pick for Reddick🤣🤣🤣🤣 So I’ll take that as the first disadvantage…against what you just preached as zero disadvantages.
May 31, 20241 yr Reddick costs $15 million for the Jets cap.... 3 years 45 million ..that's 15 million per. So no difference there....what you skip are 2 things Signing bonus....good for team and player. The new team doesn't have the signing bonus count...so they don't care. The player wants up front money
May 31, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: So I’ll take that as the first disadvantage…against what you just preached as zero disadvantages. Read my last post. Again... stop with " theory " start looking at #s. You cab learn things
May 31, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Sounds like you are really convinced Fangio is very anti-Reddick. Where-as I was leaning more on Fangio fell in love with these two additions this offseason in Huff and Hunt. Maybe it’s just both. Might be all the above. It’s a big area for Fangio as a strength. So having an established player like Reddick that won’t make Fangio look like he was responsible for accomplishing his success…might be an ego factor. But Fangio is strong with LBs…so as long as he turns Jalyx, Huff and Nolan into very productive players things should work out ok. Really almost have to add Baun. Rosie stated how he was a clear early target of Fangio.
May 31, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Does seem like near league wide Reddick has been underestimated and under appreciated. I’ve felt revolving mostly just around his size. His value lies strictly with what the 32 teams are willing to pay. The Jets can actually save money if they extend him and give him a raise. So could the Eagles if they wanted... What does that tell you? Why so difficult to understand. 2022 was a fluke year for the Eagles... you watched 40 plus years of the Eagles...do you really think that was the best team...14 wins? Or even a top 5 Eagles team? Idk if it was even top 10. Reddick especially...benefitted from that fluke of a joke schedule. This is my legit concern with our QB. Was 2022 a fluke for him? Idk...but he is younger and to me doesn't have to be a top QB to win with this group. Just make better decisions managing the game with the occasional big run.
May 31, 20241 yr 17 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Sounds like you are really convinced Fangio is very anti-Reddick. Where-as I was leaning more on Fangio fell in love with these two additions this offseason in Huff and Hunt. Maybe it’s just both. You are Howie/ Lurie... you talk with Fangio. Your question..." is Reddick worth keeping at his current price and possibly go through the BS disgruntled season.... costs us $13 mil of cap space plus a day 2 pick.... plus playing time for these other guys. Or we could extend him. I absolutely think if Fangio really wanted him... he would be here. You take it as a negative extreme. I don't. I see it as having to pay a lot for a guy that takes away snaps from young guys that our coaching staff really wanted. I have a Lamborghini to sell you.... would you pay $ 4 million for it? If no, does it make you a hater. Or just simply preferring not to give up that much.
May 31, 20241 yr Clearly Reddick toughed through injury to begin last season…not getting that official sack. But the biggest factor was in 2022 our coverage was good. 2023 it was almost worst in the league. There is a symbiotic relationship between coverage and pass rush. With receiving targets always being open….QBs weren’t holding on to the ball as much. Hence pressures more than sacks. Bradberry situation alone was massive. Was fantastic in 2022…garbage in 2023. If the CBs are locking down the targets? The pass rush gets home.
May 31, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Might be all the above. It’s a big area for Fangio as a strength. So having an established player like Reddick that won’t make Fangio look like he was responsible for accomplishing his success…might be an ego factor. But Fangio is strong with LBs…so as long as he turns Jalyx, Huff and Nolan into very productive players things should work out ok. Really almost have to add Baun. Rosie stated how he was a clear early target of Fangio. And then $13 mil of cap space... more experience for these other edge guys....and bamm a day 2 pick that you will be talking about in 20 months.
May 31, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, joemas6 said: You are Howie/ Lurie... you talk with Fangio. Your question..." is Reddick worth keeping at his current price and possibly go through the BS disgruntled season.... costs us $13 mil of cap space plus a day 2 pick.... plus playing time for these other guys. Or we could extend him. I absolutely think if Fangio really wanted him... he would be here. You take it as a negative extreme. I don't. I see it as having to pay a lot for a guy that takes away snaps from young guys that our coaching staff really wanted. I have a Lamborghini to sell you.... would you pay $ 4 million for it? If no, does it make you a hater. Or just simply preferring not to give up that much. I didn’t take it to any extremes. I just asked your opinion on all the factors. Mostly just was it Fangio being anti-Reddick or so very pro Huff and Hunt? Or both? I feel like I have come across strong intel on Fangio loving Huff and Hunt. Not really uncovered the anti-Reddick part.
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