2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Last year wasn’t a system is the point. It was just incoherent playcalling.

Agreed,it was BAD. Goedert totally misused. He's a great weapon

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Huff is no slouch read up on him. secondary should get better all year as these rookies learn and grow. Dejean is going to be a beast someday. It will take time. Mitchell looks great already and that is a HUGE improvement. Anxious to see how Fangio uses the multi faceted guys we have. I doubt he has ever had this much versatility to work with. I hope there are some better looks now. We need stunts and blitzing more than we usually do. I am planning on being pleasantly shocked on both sides of the ball. If the O line pans out Barkley will set our ground game on fire 

Lesser pass rush and Dline overall is how I’m seeing things. Weak LB room…what’s new? S situation is a bit murky. Kind of just set on seeing Ceedy Duce as a playmaker…but not a good tackler taking horrible angles of pursuit…plus the durability concerns. Blankenship I like…but he’s more instinctual than super athletic(at the NFL level speaking of course). So need that third S anyway. But he most likely will be the number two for several games it stretched this season. The DBs are just a very exciting group to look at. Rodger was a good pickup last season. Ringo I  like. Q and DeJean I belong in.

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m leaning Barkley, Shipley and Milton here. Use this physical Oline to punch the D in the mouth going forward more consistently. Then can go backwards with the passing game. It’s a mentality that especially works with our Oline personnel

Nah,need to keep the guy you hate involved and mix things up. I doubt Milton plays at all at this point. Barkley should LOVE being here. We have RB's to give him breathers he didn;pt have in NY and a much better Oline even if it's not as good as last year it's still better than NY. Barkley doesn't need to be 4/5ths of the offense now

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Alot was self inflicted. You can't hold the ball. teams are figuring out how to force him left and he needs an answer for that which as I keep saying is doing multiple reads quickly Running left is one of his worst traits. He is not good at it. he needs to move IN the pocket more instead of just taking off after read 1. Hopefully this system will teach him how to do it

This goes into the predictability of our O last season. Plus the lack of coaching answers to these predictable D looks we faced. Hurts made mistakes and such…but after you face the first two truths pretty well explains things. He had to escape pressure way too much with the talent on our Oline. Think I’ve beat this point to death of how the Ds had the book so clearly on our O last year and we never had any adjustments. You blame Hurts. I didn’t see any playcalling or coaching adjustments or answers occurring.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Lesser pass rush and Dline overall is how I’m seeing things. Weak LB room…what’s new? S situation is a bit murky. Kind of just set on seeing Ceedy Duce as a playmaker…but not a good tackler taking horrible angles of pursuit…plus the durability concerns. Blankenship I like…but he’s more instinctual than super athletic(at the NFL level speaking of course). So need that third S anyway. But he most likely will be the number two for several games it stretched this season. The DBs are just a very exciting group to look at. Rodger was a good pickup last season. Ringo I  like. Q and DeJean I belong in.

We have some versatile guys. Just clog up the middle of the field,they don't need to be stars 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nah,need to keep the guy you hate involved and mix things up. I doubt Milton plays at all at this point. Barkley should LOVE being here. We have RB's to give him breathers he didn;pt have in NY and a much better Oline even if it's not as good as last year it's still better than NY. Barkley doesn't need to be 4/5ths of the offense now

But let’s use that Oline and get physical on our opponents. Get that huge beef going forward with RBs that are looking to punish those DBs when they get to that level. Saquan and Milton can punish those S and CBs. Watch and notice how a DB plays after he gets punched in the mouth by a physical back. 

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We have some versatile guys. Just clog up the middle of the field,they don't need to be stars 

Clog up the middle how are you talking about here? Just didn’t quite get your point if you could explain it a bit more to me about whom you’re referring. LBs? Interior Dline? S?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This goes into the predictability of our O last season. Plus the lack of coaching answers to these predictable D looks we faced. Hurts made mistakes and such…but after you face the first two truths pretty well explains things. He had to escape pressure way too much with the talent on our Oline. Think I’ve beat this point to death of how the Ds had the book so clearly on our O last year and we never had any adjustments. You blame Hurts. I didn’t see any playcalling or coaching adjustments or answers occurring.

Execute. if you have 4 plays execute them to perfection and you can't be stopped. Hurts reads need to be faster on reads and more of them,that is the step I want to see. He needs to improve on anticipating windows. He is good at short ball accuracy and when he runs,I don't want to see him falling down like a little girl as he did last year. before the big money he used t PUNISH people running,last year he just fell down. It was sad to see that regression and leaving yards on the field. So those 2 areas are what I will be looking at

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But let’s use that Oline and get physical on our opponents. Get that huge beef going forward with RBs that are looking to punish those DBs when they get to that level. Saquan and Milton can punish those S and CBs. Watch and notice how a DB plays after he gets punched in the mouth by a physical back. 

I would like to see the T and I formations where Milton or Ship lead blocks for Bark. On some plays(few)reverse it to give different looks. Keep the D guessing

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Clog up the middle how are you talking about here? Just didn’t quite get your point if you could explain it a bit more to me about whom you’re referring. LBs? Interior Dline? S?

Yeah,you are better with D than me. Just stop the middle of the field passes. Crossing patterns are hard to defend. if you clog the middle teams will stop going there. Mostly on the LB's and S's. This is where DeJean can shine covering TE or slot routes

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Execute. if you have 4 plays execute them to perfection and you can't be stopped. Hurts reads need to be faster on reads and more of them,that is the step I want to see. He needs to improve on anticipating windows. He is good at short ball accuracy and when he runs,I don't want to see him falling down like a little girl as he did last year. before the big money he used t PUNISH people running,last year he just fell down. It was sad to see that regression and leaving yards on the field. So those 2 areas are what I will be looking at

He clearly was coached all last offseason to get down earlier on his runs. Very obvious coaching influence. But also very obvious unnatural less aggressive way of playing for Hurts.

 But no..four plays isn’t cutting it. Run outside Zone, bubble screen and two plays with all receiver options going deep won’t work. Need so much more than that. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He clearly was coached all last offseason to get down earlier on his runs. Very obvious coaching influence. But also very obvious unnatural less aggressive way of playing for Hurts.

 But no..four plays isn’t cutting it. Run outside Zone, bubble screen and two plays with all receiver options going deep won’t work. Need so much more than that. 

Scheme or systems,there is no way you can take 4 downs to get 10 yards,it's got to improve. The tush push is a great play but you can't keep using that forever

You want Hurts faster on the reads? Let’s not be so pathetically low usage on motion exposing the D coverage. Last in the league by a mile using motion. Get in some more quick timing passing plays. Easy answers. 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Scheme or systems,there is no way you can take 4 downs to get 10 yards,it's got to improve. The tush push is a great play but you can't keep using that forever

Read the Hurts quote again breaking down what a system is. It’s not scheme or system. It’s actually having one for a change. Receivers should be making reads. Going to Hot routes or adjustments based on the D playcalls. On and on…all the details that he listed that created an actual O scheme…instead of just calling plays bare bones on paper. Whole O synchronized as one according to our playcall reacting to the D playcall.

As far as Hurts falling down,sorry, he needs to fight for the yardage like he used to do, not fall down. And while it's great to avoid injury,you are now being paid to perform at the highest level and like it or not Hurts wasn't. Kenny is actually the better passer in my book. Hurts needs to up his game. I don't WANT him to be the offense. he has a TOP RB now,weapons galore,there are no more excuses to be had. I hope he can take the steps he needs to and I am looking forward to that

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Read the Hurts quote again breaking down what a system is. It’s not scheme or system. It’s actually having one for a change. Receivers should be making reads. Going to Hot routes or adjustments based on the D playcalls. On and on…all the details that he listed that created an actual O scheme…instead of just calling plays bare bones on paper. Whole O synchronized as one according to our playcall reacting to the D playcall.

WR's DON'T make reads,they run ROUTES. The QB needs to make the reads not the WR's

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

As far as Hurts falling down,sorry, he needs to fight for the yardage like he used to do, not fall down. And while it's great to avoid injury,you are now being paid to perform at the highest level and like it or not Hurts wasn't. Kenny is actually the better passer in my book. Hurts needs to up his game. I don't WANT him to be the offense. he has a TOP RB now,weapons galore,there are no more excuses to be had. I hope he can take the steps he needs to and I am looking forward to that

They preached the opposite. He's being paid and is so crucially needed he can’t afford to get taken out.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

WR's DON'T make reads,they run ROUTES. The QB needs to make the reads not the WR's

Not true at all. WR absolutely make reads on their routes based on the D. Break it off if a huge blitz read happens. Adjust to the pass coverage leverage in other situations. WR totally should be making reads…frequently.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They preached the opposite. He's being paid and is so crucially needed he can’t afford to get taken out.

The we fail because top QB's give all they have

WRs read to find holes in Zone coverage also.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Not true at all. WR absolutely make reads on their routes based on the D. Break it off if a huge blitz read happens. Adjust to the pass coverage leverage in other situations. WR totally should be making reads…frequently.

Those adjustments are made in the 15 seconds before the snap. They may change the route,but the QB makes the reads

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

WRs read to find holes in Zone coverage also.

Not a read,that is an adjustment to the route

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

The we fail because top QB's give all they have

Think he needs to strike a quality balance. He took a beating last season. We need him to live to okay another play. Get down (or out of bounds)on second down two yards before taking the big hit. Rather accept third and 6 than Hurts taking the big hit for third and 4.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Think he needs to strike a quality balance. He took a beating last season. We need him to live to okay another play. Get down (or out of bounds)on second down two yards before taking the big hit. Rather accept third and 6 than Hurts taking the big hit for third and 4.

Another learning point is at times you just need to throw it away and live for another play. he gets pounded at times when he fails to do that trying too hard to make things happen. He needs to play smarter that's all

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Those adjustments are made in the 15 seconds before the snap. They may change the route,but the QB makes the reads

They all make the reads and need to be on the same page. WRs absolutely  make post snap reads. It was right there in the quote from Hurts about what makes an O system. You need to read that. He told you all these key details point blank.