We saw fans support the FO for removing the franchise tag on Corey Simon simply because he was unhappy about it.  We saw fans support the FO for cutting TO in his prime after holding out of camp, doing what was asked of him on the field, playing amazing, and criticizing the QB.  We even saw fans support the FO when Mccoy/Desean were shipped out of town for attitude issues.  

We've got a 38 year old OL that no other team in the NFL wants, is refusing to do what the coach asks, is leveraging our own injuries against us, and half the fans are saying "pay the man."

We've got an over the hill WR who is barely fast enough to follow the OL downfield between plays and has "TO'd" Wentz...yet everyone is talking about getting him healthy and phasing him into the offense.  

Sometimes you do need to cut off your nose to spite your face, especially in a transitional year for the entire league.  I think it is unconscionable that this is being tolerated.

1 minute ago, greend said:

And Mailata should know his weaknesses as well. Kinda evens out and since Peters is here and we have a decent idea of what he can do why not do it and let your t.e. be a weapon. (although I highly doubt even if both the t.e. and the running back help that Mailata would be good enough at this point.)

But you are willing to sign a tackle who was apparently being let go by his team? Turns out he wasn't but we didn't know that. And pay him a boatload of money with our cap situation?

Not only have you no faith in our young guys but you evidently have no faith in Stoutland either. We have a bunch of young linemen and I want to see them play.

I'm telling you, unless Howie gets a guy like Reiff, it's going to be Mailata or Pryor. And I agree with it, it's just not going to be Peters. 

Sometimes folks get nervous and you wind up paying a whole lot of $ for things you never needed in the first place. 

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Howie is more interested in playing the draft board like its some kind of candy crush game than he is in finding players.

Each draft he can claim to have won the draft value game by saying we got great value as so and so player was predicted to go 1st round and we got him in the third. 

Whats his name Howie what kind of player is he???.

Howie- no idea we never scouted him but we knew he dropped in the draft so we got great value😒

Great Draft value doesnt equal great players and thats Howies problem.

I agree, but...interestingly....Reagor wasn't great value in round 1.  And he happens to be one of the only Howie picks I have ever liked.  Reagor was projected to go a bit lower, while other guys projected higher were on the board.  Reagor would have been my pick in that spot too though.

Barnett was not good value that high in round 1.  Neither was Hurts in round 2.  

He just seems all over the place with his drafts.  Some years, the emphasis aggressively swings towards bad athletes and high motor football players.  Other years, it's all about statistical production in the NCAA.  And this year, it was all about great raw athletes.  It's like he has no idea how to approach the draft and over-corrects with a new flavor each year.

 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We saw fans support the FO for removing the franchise tag on Corey Simon simply because he was unhappy about it.  We saw fans support the FO for cutting TO in his prime after holding out of camp, doing what was asked of him on the field, playing amazing, and criticizing the QB.  We even saw fans support the FO when Mccoy/Desean were shipped out of town for attitude issues.  

We've got a 38 year old OL that no other team in the NFL wants, is refusing to do what the coach asks, is leveraging our own injuries against us, and half the fans are saying "pay the man."

We've got an over the hill WR who is barely fast enough to follow the OL downfield between plays and has "TO'd" Wentz...yet everyone is talking about getting him healthy and phasing him into the offense.  

Sometimes you do need to cut off your nose to spite your face, especially in a transitional year for the entire league.  I think it is unconscionable that this is being tolerated.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. 

They had their chance.  Let's cut him and find out.

17 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Howie is more interested in playing the draft board like its some kind of candy crush game than he is in finding players.

Each draft he can claim to have won the draft value game by saying we got great value as so and so player was predicted to go 1st round and we got him in the third. 

Whats his name Howie what kind of player is he???.

Howie- no idea we never scouted him but we knew he dropped in the draft so we got great value😒

Great Draft value doesnt equal great players and thats Howies problem.

Objectively the Eagles changed their draft strategy this year to draft athletic players over college production.

If Reagor, Wallace, Driscoll, and Hightower become starters and even if Taylor becomes a solid ST player this draft will be seen as extremely successful — not by Eagles standards, but by NFL standards.  Generally if a team comes out of a draft with even 3 guys starting after 3 seasons it’s evaluated as a good draft.  Time will tell.

Just now, eagle45 said:

We saw fans support the FO for removing the franchise tag on Corey Simon simply because he was unhappy about it.  We saw fans support the FO for cutting TO in his prime after holding out of camp, doing what was asked of him on the field, playing amazing, and criticizing the QB.  We even saw fans support the FO when Mccoy/Desean were shipped out of town for attitude issues.  

We've got a 38 year old OL that no other team in the NFL wants, is refusing to do what the coach asks, is leveraging our own injuries against us, and half the fans are saying "pay the man."

We've got an over the hill WR who is barely fast enough to follow the OL downfield between plays and has "TO'd" Wentz...yet everyone is talking about getting him healthy and phasing him into the offense.  

Sometimes you do need to cut off your nose to spite your face, especially in a transitional year for the entire league.  I think it is unconscionable that this is being tolerated.

Fans supported paying TO and Corey Simon too.  I'm not sure fan support make any impact on the team's decision.  The reality is the team made a mistake with TO. 

I think the concern about Peters is overblown.  There's no reason to practice Peters at LT now.  They know what he is.   They need to evaluate Pryor and Mailata. Because there's no pre-season, they need to know what they have in these players. 

Alshon hasn't been activated.  If they activate him and play him that's an issue.  Until that is done, there isn't one.  

Exactly , the PETERS as life raft theory comes later. 

 

11 minutes ago, TrotterIsGod said:

I'm telling you, unless Howie gets a guy like Reiff, it's going to be Mailata or Pryor. And I agree with it, it's just not going to be Peters. 

Sometimes folks get nervous and you wind up paying a whole lot of $ for things you never needed in the first place. 

Tell that to my ex.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Objectively the Eagles changed their draft strategy this year to draft athletic players over college production.

If Reagor, Wallace, Driscoll, and Hightower become starters and even if Taylor becomes a solid ST player this draft will be seen as extremely successful — not by Eagles standards, but by NFL standards.  Generally if a team comes out of a draft with even 3 guys starting after 3 seasons it’s evaluated as a good draft.  Time will tell.

So many fans, gurus, and outlets grade drafts according to starters.  The Chiefs and Bengals both fielded 22 starters last year.  

It's about drafting players that are strengths...that you lock into a position and aren't left with one eye perusing the upgrade market.  Since drafting Wentz 4 years ago (and going about back to 2013 pre-Wentz), Howie has drafted one player (at the devalued RB position) who fits that description.  

19 minutes ago, justrelax said:

But you are willing to sign a tackle who was apparently being let go by his team? Turns out he wasn't but we didn't know that. And pay him a boatload of money with our cap situation?

Not only have you no faith in our young guys but you evidently have no faith in Stoutland either. We have a bunch of young linemen and I want to see them play.

Do you want to see them play all season after other options are gone? Do you want to see them play bad enough that Wentz gets destroyed yet again? I prefer not to take that chance, at least at the moment with the current intel that I have coming out of camp. Could I be wrong and you right? Probably more so than not but that's where I'm at right now.

40 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Riley Rieff stays in Minn?

Can we get Riley Reid?

about the only reid that is open for discussions

 

Personally, I think the tea leaves suggest they have already given up on Mailata.  I also have zero confidence in him to perform at an NFL level, even for a backup.  I love the lottery ticket in round 7, don't get me wrong.  But he never played football in his life, came to Philly...and then never played football here.  He's gotten some training camp work in, then spent all his football seasons either not dressing or on IR not even practicing.  Half of TATE has probably played more football than this guy.  Kids who went to D1 schools as athletic marvels without having played football the same year Mailata crossed the ocean are draft-eligible true football players by now.  He just didn't get the work in.  This is the epitome of someone who needed NFL Europe.

If there is still something there though...I'd much rather see Mailata at LT than Pryor.  Aside from the whole enticing/athleticism/upside thing, Mailata at least has the specs to be a LT.  Pryor may have had both G/T experience at TCU, but everyone knew he was an NFL interior lineman.  LT is no place for him.  And he actually has some upside as a RG, where we'll almost certainly need someone to take extended snaps when Peters pulls himself out of games.

All the pieces fit so much better if Mailata can get by as the LT.  And the fact that he's taking RT snaps as a Lane placeholder while Pryor gets obliterated as the LT should tell you all you need to know about their plans for Mailata.

 

11 minutes ago, greend said:

Do you want to see them play all season after other options are gone? Do you want to see them play bad enough that Wentz gets destroyed yet again? I prefer not to take that chance, at least at the moment with the current intel that I have coming out of camp. Could I be wrong and you right? Probably more so than not but that's where I'm at right now.

I don’t blame you whatsoever. If reiff was released I’d have gone after him. I know peters is eventually going to leave a game or games and need to replace him. Reiff i think at his age is more likely to be out there all 16 games then peters. Add on when peters leaves LT likely shuffling the oline in two spots to move pryor to LT and someone in at RG. It’s why I’m still for signing cordy Glenn to be the back up

as for the young guys it’s not about not having faith in them. It’s about we are in a pandemic year where rookies and young guys had no OTAs and no mini camps. They had training camp and no preseason games to see where they are at against other competition. That’s not a normal year. In a normal year i have a better ability to gauge against other competition where they are and how far along they are. We don’t have that. That’s not against stoutland. It’s the times we are living in puts younger players and rookies at a disadvantage and I’m not overly thrilled about throwing young guys out into the fire And just blindly hoping stoutland did enough during this pandemic with our QB who’s had injuries 

4 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

Every THEEEEE Ohio State Player is "the real deal" until they start playing in the NFL. especially first rounders 

 

This is the dumbest post I've ever seen.  Continue rambling with capital letters and not making any sense.  Don't forget a youtube video that also makes no sense to end the post.  

Let's go through some of their 1st round picks over the last 10+ years:

-Malcolm Jenkins, Cameron Hayward, Ryan Shazier, Ezekiel Elliot, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, Marshawn Lattimore, Denzel Ward, Nick Bosa 🤣   3 more this year and Chase Young and Jeff Okudah are almost guaranteed to be studs.  

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So many fans, gurus, and outlets grade drafts according to starters.  The Chiefs and Bengals both fielded 22 starters last year.  

It's about drafting players that are strengths...that you lock into a position and aren't left with one eye perusing the upgrade market.  Since drafting Wentz 4 years ago (and going about back to 2013 pre-Wentz), Howie has drafted one player (at the devalued RB position) who fits that description.  

Well, let's take a look at the first three rounds, where, IMO, you need to hit.  (Focusing on picks after Chip)

• Wentz is a hit (this pick tends to get underappreciated, but look at other teams that continuously miss on their QB).
• Seumalo is an unspectacularly good pick in the third round.
• Barnett is a miss relative to where he was chosen.  May still end up being a solid starter, but that is not enough from a draft spot that should have delivered a "strength".  His career may still end up following the path Graham's took.
• Jones and Douglas are absolute misses.  Howie deserves criticism for missing two picks at the same position on consecutive picks.
• Goedert is a pretty good pick for outside the top-50.
• Dillard is still an incomplete grade.
• Sanders is a great pick.
• JJAW is also pending.  We should see this season.

IMO, the failures in the 2017 draft put the team's development on hold.  The past two drafts ('19 and '20) are cause for optimism.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Well, let's take a look at the first three rounds, where, IMO, you need to hit.  (Focusing on picks after Chip)

• Wentz is a hit (this pick tends to get underappreciated, but look at other teams that continuously miss on their QB).
• Seumalo is an unspectacularly good pick in the third round.
• Barnett is a miss relative to where he was chosen.  May still end up being a solid starter, but that is not enough from a draft spot that should have delivered a "strength".  His career may still end up following the path Graham's took.
• Jones and Douglas are absolute misses.  Howie deserves criticism for missing two picks at the same position on consecutive picks.
• Goedert is a pretty good pick for outside the top-50.
• Dillard is still an incomplete grade.
• Sanders is a great pick.
• JJAW is also pending.  We should see this season.

IMO, the failures in the 2017 draft put the team's development on hold.  The past two drafts ('19 and '20) are cause for optimism.

Every draft for every team is a cause for optimism before week 1 of their rookie year.

2019 brought a first round pick who will be entering their 3rd year as an incomplete and a great pick at RB.  If that's the best cause for optimism going back to Wentz, that sums up the issues pretty well.  Pending is also a generous label for JJAW.  Sanders wasn't even quite as good as JJAW was bad.  So if Sanders is great while JJAW is pending, that's not quite fair.

But I agree with most of that.

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Well, let's take a look at the first three rounds, where, IMO, you need to hit.  (Focusing on picks after Chip)

• Wentz is a hit (this pick tends to get underappreciated, but look at other teams that continuously miss on their QB).
• Seumalo is an unspectacularly good pick in the third round.
• Barnett is a miss relative to where he was chosen.  May still end up being a solid starter, but that is not enough from a draft spot that should have delivered a "strength".  His career may still end up following the path Graham's took.
• Jones and Douglas are absolute misses.  Howie deserves criticism for missing two picks at the same position on consecutive picks.
• Goedert is a pretty good pick for outside the top-50.
• Dillard is still an incomplete grade.
• Sanders is a great pick.
• JJAW is also pending.  We should see this season.

IMO, the failures in the 2017 draft put the team's development on hold.  The past two drafts ('19 and '20) are cause for optimism.

The draft that absolutely is killer over the last 5 years is 2015. We have no one left from that draft contributing at all. Top 3 picks are all elsewhere. 2014 isn’t much better as no one is on the roster and really beau allen is the only lock to make a roster on any team from that draft. Those two drafts look brutal right now. Not that they were Howe’s fault. Just in terms of how it effects the eagles right now 

8 minutes ago, hputenis said:

This is the dumbest post I've ever seen.  Continue rambling with capital letters and not making any sense.  Don't forget a youtube video that also makes no sense to end the post.  

Let's go through some of their 1st round picks over the last 10+ years:

-Malcolm Jenkins, Cameron Hayward, Ryan Shazier, Ezekiel Elliot, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, Marshawn Lattimore, Denzel Ward, Nick Bosa 🤣   3 more this year and Chase Young and Jeff Okudah are almost guaranteed to be studs.  

It's probably one of the top schools for recent early round success stories.  It's just a laughably bad take.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The draft that absolutely is killer over the last 5 years is 2015. We have no one left from that draft contributing at all. 2014 isn’t much better as no one is on the roster and really beau allen is the only lock to make a roster on any team from that draft. Those two drafts look brutal right now. Not that they were Howe’s fault. Just in terms of how it effects the eagles right now 

Howie is clean from the 2015 draft.  That was the year Chip made his power play and Howie was in the back office.  Agholor was a disappointment, but he and Hicks did contribute in the SB year.  Hicks wasn't such a great pick when you consider that many wanted Hunter in the 3rd and that they needed a DE, but he's still pretty good return.  Really bad draft overall though.

2014...Howie's got blood on his hands for that one.  

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/doug-pederson-jason-peters-staying-right-guard-matt-pryor-headed-left

This is an absolute disgrace and total negligence on the part of the Eagles if this winds up being the case. I hope this is them playing hardball.