32 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I found this one.

Cons

• Consistent Accuracy
• Forces Balls Instead Of Taking Easy Gains
• Locks Onto His Receivers
• Won’t Make All Progressions
• Consistent Mechanics

The college completion percentage is a bit misleading from his actual accuracy. There are at times where he sails the ball and his mechanics are not as clean. When he is in a good rhythm he is generally locked in. In the Oklahoma system he had strong receiving options and with his arm strength we saw him force the ball in and take unnecessary risks. This wouldn’t fly at the next level in comparison to facing Big 12 defenses in 2019. Having CeeDee Lamb certainly helped mask some of Hurts flaws at times, and we saw him lock onto Lamb quite a bit and look his way.

It's just really odd to me that, by every metric, Hurts is around the 11the best passer (not qb, but only focused on passing stats) this year in the league, despite missing a lot of his key offensive players (thus destroying the "he can only produce when surrounded by elite talent argument) and yet we are discussing college scouting reports?

Another embarrassing day for the blog.

19 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

It's just really odd to me that, by every metric, Hurts is around the 11the best passer (not qb, but only focused on passing stats) this year in the league, despite missing a lot of his key offensive players (thus destroying the "he can only produce when surrounded by elite talent argument) and yet we are discussing college scouting reports?

Another embarrassing day for the blog.

14th in yards/attempt

11th in completion %

17th in QB rating

14th in Raw QBR

17th in passing yards (there are a few others above him who have also only played five games)

20th in TD%

11th in INT% (Not a good thing)

Tied for 2nd in fumbles

He's 11th in one stat and is average or below everywhere else as a passer.

Of those weaknesses in college which is improved? None?

Try again. Oh, right, you're a troll.

16 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

It's just really odd to me that, by every metric, Hurts is around the 11the best passer (not qb, but only focused on passing stats) this year in the league, despite missing a lot of his key offensive players (thus destroying the "he can only produce when surrounded by elite talent argument) and yet we are discussing college scouting reports?

Another embarrassing day for the blog.

You don't think it is objective to question (1) why he doesn't throw over the middle, (2) ball security, (3) his ability to process pre-snap reads? Not throwing over the middle makes the O easier to game plan against. There is no way that such routes aren't included in the O scheme. He fumbles a lot. He holds the ball too long -- no quick outs on crossers, again makes the O easy to plan against. Each of these issues is consistent over seasons with how Hurts plays. The fact that he had one great season and then this for 2 years might just mean that DCs had more tape to watch. 

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

14th in yards/attempt

11th in completion %

17th in QB rating

14th in Raw QBR

17th in passing yards (there are a few others above him who have also only played five games)

20th in TD%

11th in INT% (Not a good thing)

Tied for 2nd in fumbles

He's 11th in one stat and is average or below everywhere else as a passer.

Try again. Oh, right, you're a troll.

I don't see yards per game in there (he's 13th.)

He's also 12th in yards per attempt.

He's 10th in yards per completion.

He's 11th in qbr.

I mean, I get you hate him and will complain about him regardless of what he does. But he's around the 11th best passer in the game. And that's just the facts.

3 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Hurts is at the bottom corner of the left quadrant for anyone who can’t find him:

 

 

34 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

High cervical injuries can cause respiratory distress due to loss of diaphragm function.  But…you’d have to have major motor deficits, nearly quadriplegia, before you reach the point that diaphragm function is compromised.  So c spine precautions are still reasonable when we don’t know what’s going on, but I’d be surprised in this case.

I suspect this was more some combined concussion/pain response…but not quite as dangerous as it looked.

 

Well a lot of youtube comments are basically saying no surprise he acted this way because he has his nails painted. I was hoping that wasnt actually the case. At the same time, I guess its better to be a puss than to actually have a severe head/neck injury. 

All I know is I said before 2021, that my belief was that Jalen hurts is ceiling was that he would be consistently somewhere between 10 to 15th best quarterback in the league. Both side whose love and hated hurts didn’t like that. he had a phenomenal 2022. I did not expect him to ever play at the level. if he managed to play at that level consistently he’d be a constant top 5 qb. The eagles would be set long term. It’s why there’s only a handful of quarterbacks that can do it consistently.

I still believe he is likely somewhere between 10 to 15 consistently as his likely ceiling with maybe an occasional outlier season like 2022. The question becomes can you win a Super Bowl with your quarterback being somewhere between 10 to 15? Imo he needs to be closer to five. I know they have other issues on this team that prevent us from being a legit contender. Heck he was top 3 in 2022 and had a great Sb outside of a fumble and we didn’t win. They need to fix those other problems too, but in order to win a Super Bowl i do not think he can be in the 10-15. He has 12 more games to keep improving and get better. Hopefully he does. If we are at the end of the season and he’s still 10-15 then need to have a deeper discussion in what they have to do. Cause until the season ends it’s hurts regardless if you love, hate or whatever 

Im reading more interesting stuff from around the time Siri was hired.https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/colts-insider/2021/01/21/colts-offensive-coordinator-nick-sirianni-new-eagles-head-coach-report/6659143002/

Digging through some of Reich’s old transcripts, it’s funny how many times you come across the same few phrases coming out of his mouth: "I was just saying to Nick … ” or "Nick and I always talk about …”  or "Nick reminded me that…”

Looking through those transcripts and listening to both of them talk every week, it became plainly apparent that not only did Reich and Sirianni spend dozens of hours together every week --  both during their years together in San Diego and three seasons in Indianapolis -- but in that time, they grew quite close. 

Suffice it to say, ex-quarterbacks coach Marcus Brady, reportedly named Sirianni's successor, will have awfully big shoes to fill.

That might sound silly to those who think an offensive coordinator’s only job is to call plays, which the 39-year-old Sirianni did not do in Indianapolis. But those who spent time around the Colts know Sirianni had a massive influence on what plays even made it onto Reich’s call sheet.

Most, if not all of them, wouldn’t arrive there without having been discussed with and vetted by Sirianni first. A devout believer in the collaborative process, Reich wanted it that way. 

Tied at 20 with less than three minutes to go, since-retired Colts quarterback Philip Rivers unloaded a 41-yard bomb down the middle of the field to T.Y. Hilton, which set the Colts up for the game-winning score. 

That play’s success, Reich revealed after the game, was in large part due to the work Sirianni and his offensive staff did in film study to unearth some Houston predilections. They discovered a particular tendency from Romeo Crennel’s defense -- specifically a coverage they like to play on a second-and-long situation -- and exploited it. Sirianni put that play on Reich’s call sheet for a situation just like that one. 

When asked about the play, however, Sirianni hesitated to take too much credit -- the true sign of a Reich protege -- and instead passed it on to Reich and the players. 

"He called it so I thought that was a phenomenal call at that particular time," Sirianni said. "I just happened to put it on the sheet at that time. So, I think all the credit goes to Frank. ... We just happened to see a tendency there, and that’s why we put it on the call sheet. And again, it was a great timed call by coach when he called that and a huge credit to the players.”

Sirianni had other gameday responsibilities, too. As head of the offensive staff, he had a lot of say on play time distribution. 

As for what the Colts are losing in Sirianni as a coach, they're losing both a creative mind and one of the more well-organized and detail-oriented members of their staff. Sirianni helped craft the highly successful short-yardage package featuring backup quarterback Jacoby Brissett.

More on Siri

To figure out what the Eagles are getting in Nick Sirianni, we must first figure out what his role was in Indianapolis.

To do that, there’s a great story in the Indianapolis Star from Jim Ayello that really outlines what the Colts are losing as Sirianni takes the Eagles’ head coaching job.

And after reading, it sounds an awful lot like Sirianni held the same role in Indianapolis that Frank Reich held in Philly under Doug Pederson. So the Eagles have hired Frank Reich’s Frank Reich and hope he’ll be able to make the same jump.

During Reich and Sirianni’s three years together in Indianapolis, here’s where the Colts ranked in some key offensive categories:

2020

Points: 9th

Yards: 10th

Passing: 11th

Rushing: 11th

2019

Points: 16th

Yards: 25th

Passing: 30th

Rushing: 7th

2018

Points: 5th

Yards: 7th

Passing: 6th

Rushing: 20th

You can clearly see the difference in the overall offense depending on the starting quarterback. The Colts had Andrew Luck in 2018, Jacoby Brissett in 2019 and Philip Rivers in 2020.

 

new update on the McCain injury

 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

All I know is I said before 2021, that my belief was that Jalen hurts is ceiling was that he would be consistently somewhere between 10 to 15th best quarterback in the league. Both side whose love and hated hurts didn’t like that. he had a phenomenal 2022. I did not expect him to ever play at the level. if he managed to play at that level consistently he’d be a constant top 5 qb. The eagles would be set long term. It’s why there’s only a handful of quarterbacks that can do it consistently.

I still believe he is likely somewhere between 10 to 15 consistently as his likely ceiling with maybe an occasional outlier season like 2022. The question becomes can you win a Super Bowl with your quarterback being somewhere between 10 to 15? Imo he needs to be closer to five. I know they have other issues on this team that prevent us from being a legit contender. Heck he was top 3 in 2022 and had a great Sb outside of a fumble and we didn’t win. They need to fix those other problems too, but in order to win a Super Bowl i do not think he can be in the 10-15. He has 12 more games to keep improving and get better. Hopefully he does. If we are at the end of the season and he’s still 10-15 then need to have a deeper discussion in what they have to do. Cause until the season ends it’s hurts regardless if you love, hate or whatever 

I see the fo.lliwng QBs better than Hurts.  I am not taking into account age.  I will,list by divisions.

Presott, Daniels

Love, Goff

Mayfield, Cousins

Stafford, Murray

Allen, Rodgers

Stroud

Mahomes, Herbert

That puts him about 14th.  Basically an average QB with premium asssets to work with. 

42 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

It's just really odd to me that, by every metric, Hurts is around the 11the best passer (not qb, but only focused on passing stats) this year in the league, despite missing a lot of his key offensive players (thus destroying the "he can only produce when surrounded by elite talent argument) and yet we are discussing college scouting reports?

Another embarrassing day for the blog.

I fairness - over the past two seasons - Hurts has performed somewhere between 10 - 20th in the league - especially given the fact that he has had a myriad of weapons around him.  
 

Around 10-12 on good days - closer to 15-20 on bad days - WITH the weapons he has.

Now if he had average receivers around him, he could be considered even top 10 but he has elite level receivers around him - meaning he needs to do better if he wants to be considered "elite”. 

18 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I don't see yards per game in there (he's 13th.)

He's also 12th in yards per attempt.

He's 10th in yards per completion.

He's 11th in qbr.

I mean, I get you hate him and will complain about him regardless of what he does. But he's around the 11th best passer in the game. And that's just the facts.

13th is still not top 11

In terms of yards/attempt:

Goff, Purdy, Lamar, Richardson, Daniels, Darnold, Baker, Burrow, Tua, Love, Carr, Cousins and Mahomes are ahead of him. Stroud is tied with him. I count 14 names there, so wrong again.

He's 14th in Raw QBR 

He is 10th in yards/completion.

So again, being top 11 in...2? categories doesn't make you a top 11 QB.

Those are the facts.

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

@eagle45 Id be interested in your monday morning QB plan on this McCain injury from last night.

 

Do you think the breathing issues were caused from the head injury? Or possibly some cervical involvement?

As far as on court management, hes struggling to catch his breath. The 6ers seem to have 4 guys who just assume if the wait there long enough he will calm down and catch his breath. From the looks of him, Id probably be getting him set up with some supplemental oxygen at a minimum but Id probably also make sure someone is ready with an airway adjunct, among other emergency devices should he lose consciousness. 

He went to the hospital. No update on him yet.

 

😬.  His head bounced HARD off the floor.   

In summary of that old Siri stuff, he wants a lot of 2 TE personnel. This team has neglected to have a legitimate TE2, and Hurts does not target the TEs even though Siri's philosophy is that 2 TEs puts one of the DBs in a bad match up. There was a lot of passing to the RBs. We have been lacking that for years with Siri (more appropriately- with Hurts). Even signing Barkley it existed in the first few weeks, and has gone away. Not targeting Gainwell or Shipley (who cant even get on the field after week 1), while both are good pass catching backs. And we are not seeing yards after the catch except when AJ Brown shrugs off a defender on a late thrown curl route. Siri was KNOWN for scheming players open with room to run. 

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What's more impressive is that the Colts gained 2,331 yards after the catch, but ranked 21st in missed tackles forced. Sirianni helped scheme playmakers open with room to run.

 

This is not Siri's offense. It has not been Siri's offense. This is a Jalen Hurts offense. Siri, and every OC who has been on his staff are handcuffed for a sub-par QB. 

 

As far as Siri's input in to the offense, its clear he has always had a lot of control even if he was not, and is not currently calling plays. He had a lot of control over the plays on Reich's play sheet. He probably has a lot of control over the plays on Moore's play sheet. But Moore is still calling the plays. The plays, are obviously limited by the QB. Siri's offense utilizes TEs, passes to RBs, and scheming players in to open space. We get absolutely none of that ever since Hurts has been QB.

Stop telling me this trash is Siri's offense. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

😬.  His head bounced HARD off the floor.   

yeah. You hear the ref yell to stop the game. Usually a player goes down and the play continues for a while. You could hear that hit. ref saw it and immediately knew he was gonna need help. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I fairness - over the past two seasons - Hurts has performed somewhere between 10 - 20th in the league - especially given the fact that he has had a myriad of weapons around him.  
 

Around 10-12 on good days - closer to 15-20 on bad days - WITH the weapons he has.

Now if he had average receivers around him, he could be considered even top 10 but he has elite level receivers around him - meaning he needs to do better if he wants to be considered "elite”. 

Yeah, he needs to play better. That's the rational approach.

"I hate him and will complain about him every week regardless of how he plays" is not the rational approach.

But whatever. The reality is that a lot of frequent posters in this blog have been complaining about him since he was drafted, even in 2022 when he played lights out, so I guess pointing out that he hasn't been that bad this year is a fruitless exercise. Some people just want to be miserable.

11 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

I see the fo.lliwng QBs better than Hurts.  I am not taking into account age.  I will,list by divisions.

Presott, Daniels

Love, Goff

Mayfield, Cousins

Stafford, Murray

Allen, Rodgers

Stroud

Mahomes, Herbert

That puts him about 14th.  Basically an average QB with premium asssets to work with. 

I’d agree except for kyler Murray. I’ve watched Murray a ton living out in Az. He always plays well early in the season then midseason he drops off and then gets banged up. Heck his last 4 weeks have been underwhelming. 4 td passes, 2 ints, 2 fumbles (1 lost). I also think Murray is the most overrated Qb in the league. 

8 minutes ago, Swoop said:

13th is still not top 11

In terms of yards/attempt:

Goff, Purdy, Lamar, Richardson, Daniels, Darnold, Baker, Burrow, Tua, Love, Carr, Cousins and Mahomes are ahead of him. Stroud is tied with him. I count 14 names there, so wrong again.

He's 14th in Raw QBR 

He is 10th in yards/completion.

So again, being top 11 in...2? categories doesn't make you a top 11 QB.

Those are the facts.

QBR is not a 'passing' stat.  It counts runs as part of the equation.  In other words, using QBR to determine Hurts' passing efficiency is a false equivalency fallacy.  

To the folks who have reached out to me asking about my health and welfare I send a huge amount of thanks.  The last three weeks have been challenging to say the least.  Fortunately no tragedies, but a healthy dose of hills to climb.  My mother is 101 years old and I have spent a considerable amount of time care giving for her back East, and then had additional full-time challenges arise in California. Fortunately I have a wonderful sister who shoulders the lions share of the care giving. Things are relatively stable right now but I have another care giving round the first two weeks of November scheduled, and appointments with our healthcare providers here in California in the meantime.  As they say, getting old is a ****.

So, I'm going to have to follow the example of @greend and step away from the EMB until a time when I can afford the time for the wonderful distraction and camaraderie that this merry band of men and women gives in abundance.  @VaBeach_Eagle has my e-mail address, and if anyone does feel the need to communicate, he has my permission to share that address with you.

And on a less personal note ... GO BIRDS!!!!

Thank you all!

7 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Yeah, he needs to play better. That's the rational approach.

"I hate him and will complain about him every week regardless of how he plays" is not the rational approach.

But whatever. The reality is that a lot of frequent posters in this blog have been complaining about him since he was drafted, even in 2022 when he played lights out, so I guess pointing out that he hasn't been that bad this year is a fruitless exercise. Some people just want to be miserable.

lies.

Nobody complained about him in 2022. Everyone incorrectly ate crow. Even myself. I even considered buying a jersey. I was a believer. 

And I was actually maybe the only person defending the draft pick at the time. Not because of him as a player but I understood the cap reasons for drafting a high caliber BACKUP QB, in an offseason where there wasnt going to be 9M available for someone like Foles to continue backing up Wentz.

Unfortunately the Wentz situation unfolded the way it did, and we got stuck trying to make our 2nd round BACKUP QB a starter. 

From there on, with new expectations on him as the incumbent starter, its been nothing but brutal honesty. Hes not good enough in this role. And looks like he never will be.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

To the folks who have reached out to me asking about my health and welfare I send a huge amount of thanks.  The last three weeks have been challenging to say the least.  Fortunately no tragedies, but a healthy dose of hills to climb.  My mother is 101 years old and I have spent a considerable amount of time care giving for her back East, and then had additional full-time challenges arise in California. Fortunately I have a wonderful sister who shoulders the lions share of the care giving. Things are relatively stable right now but I have another care giving round the first two weeks of November scheduled, and appointments with our healthcare providers here in California in the meantime.  As they say, getting old is a ****.

So, I'm going to have to follow the example of @greend and step away from the EMB until a time when I can afford the time for the wonderful distraction and camaraderie that this merry band of men and women gives in abundance.  @VaBeach_Eagle has my e-mail address, and if anyone does feel the need to communicate, he has my permission to share that address with you.

And on a less personal note ... GO BIRDS!!!!

Thank you all!

Prayers to you and your family. Look forward to when you are back on here. Go birds 

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

To the folks who have reached out to me asking about my health and welfare I send a huge amount of thanks.  The last three weeks have been challenging to say the least.  Fortunately no tragedies, but a healthy dose of hills to climb.  My mother is 101 years old and I have spent a considerable amount of time care giving for her back East, and then had additional full-time challenges arise in California. Fortunately I have a wonderful sister who shoulders the lions share of the care giving. Things are relatively stable right now but I have another care giving round the first two weeks of November scheduled, and appointments with our healthcare providers here in California in the meantime.  As they say, getting old is a ****.

So, I'm going to have to follow the example of @greend and step away from the EMB until a time when I can afford the time for the wonderful distraction and camaraderie that this merry band of men and women gives in abundance.  @VaBeach_Eagle has my e-mail address, and if anyone does feel the need to communicate, he has my permission to share that address with you.

And on a less personal note ... GO BIRDS!!!!

Thank you all!

good luck with everything you have going on. take care of what is important. We will keep your seat warm.