1 minute ago, nipples said:

They aren’t winning this series. 

Yuppp. I’ll say this the islanders are playing the best hockey of any team in the East. They’ve basically been dismantling the caps and flyers for 5 of their last 6 games. 

4 minutes ago, nipples said:

They aren’t winning this series. 

Yeah, it definitely doesn’t look good.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Way too early to say all that guys.  

I’m still taking the under of 1.5 goals for coots, TK and giroux for the entire playoffs. 

Disappointing loss but we saw what happened the last time they got blown out in game two last series. No reason to give up hope yet. They showed in the second period that they can work these guys. Need more of that moving forward. 

3 minutes ago, Shocker54 said:

I think Wednesday they should just throw their sticks out to center ice and walk back to locker room. A forfeit 

37 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Over/under 1.5 for TK, Coots and giroux goals the entire playoffs in Toronto

Combined? Under.

2 minutes ago, What The F said:

Combined? Under.

Yup combined. Ditto. Like giroux isn’t even close. TK and coots basically get once chance per game. So I’m guessing under. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Way too early to say all that guys.  

Well if we are basing it on the entire season, the Islanders are up 5-0... I have a hard time seeing the Flyers winning 4 of the next six. 

10 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Giroux would have to pass his stick off to have someone else do it.   

he should be benched.

22 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

he should be benched.

Yep. I mean it isn’t like anyone else is playing particularly well outside of Hart, but maybe benching G for a game lights a damn fire under these guys

31 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

They have to be more physical.  Seemed like it was a scrimmage last night.  No intensity...

what irritates me more is what i keep hearing on the other forum is that av should go, like how many coaches are going to get fired because the core wont step up? it's amazing that berube for instance left here and won a cup with st.louis, something must have been wrong with him and not the players,  i mean we are on the fourth coach with these same group of players and they show nothing like maybe it's time for the core to go because they are not good enough. im going to be honest right now, the minute giroux, jake and jvr got the big deals, i hated them because they never showed anything to deserve those contracts.

giroux and jake should have been shipped out and we could have gotten better players out of them, god bless his soul ed, no offense to ed, the problem with ed was being too loyal to his players and not showing enough accountability, like if you dont play well, you are gone, you dont deserve the money. actually some organizations have too much loyality to players and it backfires and they are stuck to the bottom.

1 hour ago, toughfighter83 said:

what irritates me more is what i keep hearing on the other forum is that av should go, like how many coaches are going to get fired because the core wont step up? it's amazing that berube for instance left here and won a cup with st.louis, something must have been wrong with him and not the players,  i mean we are on the fourth coach with these same group of players and they show nothing like maybe it's time for the core to go because they are not good enough. im going to be honest right now, the minute giroux, jake and jvr got the big deals, i hated them because they never showed anything to deserve those contracts.

giroux and jake should have been shipped out and we could have gotten better players out of them, god bless his soul ed, no offense to ed, the problem with ed was being too loyal to his players and not showing enough accountability, like if you dont play well, you are gone, you dont deserve the money. actually some organizations have too much loyality to players and it backfires and they are stuck to the bottom.

Anyone who thinks AV is a problem is an absolute moron

1 hour ago, toughfighter83 said:

what irritates me more is what i keep hearing on the other forum is that av should go, like how many coaches are going to get fired because the core wont step up? it's amazing that berube for instance left here and won a cup with st.louis, something must have been wrong with him and not the players,  i mean we are on the fourth coach with these same group of players and they show nothing like maybe it's time for the core to go because they are not good enough. im going to be honest right now, the minute giroux, jake and jvr got the big deals, i hated them because they never showed anything to deserve those contracts.

giroux and jake should have been shipped out and we could have gotten better players out of them, god bless his soul ed, no offense to ed, the problem with ed was being too loyal to his players and not showing enough accountability, like if you dont play well, you are gone, you dont deserve the money. actually some organizations have too much loyality to players and it backfires and they are stuck to the bottom.

To your last paragraph we had the discussion on the old board about 2 years ago after G had one of his best regular seasons of his career putting up 102 points but then in the playoffs pulled another no show. A bunch of us wanted to trade Giroux then cause we felt he was never going to reach 102 points or anything really close to that level of play for the rest of his career at 30 and that he constantly had underperformed in the playoffs since being made the captain of the Flyers. The following season when the flyers were struggling and he was still playing well but not like the previous season there were some rumors about what they could get for him. And yet they still didn’t want to do it. 
 

I think a lot of us agree they should have made that trade. I like giroux but you can like a player and thank him for some amazing accomplishments but also realize you aren’t going to win big with giroux and know you have to cash in on your trade chip before it goes the opposite direction. The thing that sucks about not trading him two years ago or even last year is that you would’ve gotten a ton of young prospects and picks. With The young players we have coming up and on this team  infusing more young players and draft picks would’ve been huge in 2-3 years. While he only has two years left on his contract you’re going to get that big Space off in two years to spend the Flyers really could have had another 2-3 young players and the cap space dealing him. 

and it’s definitely not the coach. People can keep blaming coaching but this team since about 2013 has had a consistent problem showing up for a complete 60 minutes. We’ve had numerous coaches and the core group of giroux, voracek and some others who’ve been here for a while have played one or two periods of good hockey and then the rest of the time no showed. Hakstol was not a good coach but lavy was and they still didn’t come to play for a full 60. To me G and voracek aren’t superstar players. They are very good players but not elite players. Giroux has had some seasons where you can say he was but for the most part he’s been very good not Star especially not in the playoffs the last 7 years.

The leadership from G and the players who’ve been here for a while now over this time has not been good enough. When you don’t show up for parts of playoff games and the intensity is not where it should be that’s a huge reflection on the players. Flyers had that juice for the round robin but it seemed to fade-away after those three games. I mentioned it in the Montreal series that it felt like Montreal was playing at a different intensity level even in that penguins series. The flyers really haven’t played to that type of playoff intensity besides that second Period in last nights game. I think they beat Montreal simply because they had more talent on the roster And depth on the roster to get by and hart played better than price. Montreal was close in that series simply because of the intensity they came out with cause talent wise it really shouldn’t have been very close. This is on G the leader cause he sets the tone and he’s done a pretty bad job of it in the postseason since that devils series after we crushed the penguins. 

Meanwhile, how old was the dude that scored the Islanders first goal (that used to play for the Devils) yet......G can't get a puck near the net?

I almost wonder if G has a confidence issue. 

13 hours ago, toughfighter83 said:

what irritates me more is what i keep hearing on the other forum is that av should go, like how many coaches are going to get fired because the core wont step up? it's amazing that berube for instance left here and won a cup with st.louis, something must have been wrong with him and not the players,  i mean we are on the fourth coach with these same group of players and they show nothing like maybe it's time for the core to go because they are not good enough. im going to be honest right now, the minute giroux, jake and jvr got the big deals, i hated them because they never showed anything to deserve those contracts.

giroux and jake should have been shipped out and we could have gotten better players out of them, god bless his soul ed, no offense to ed, the problem with ed was being too loyal to his players and not showing enough accountability, like if you dont play well, you are gone, you dont deserve the money. actually some organizations have too much loyality to players and it backfires and they are stuck to the bottom.

Pretty strange stance to take — Voracek was given his mega contract coming off a season where he finished 4th in NHL scoring.  Giroux was better than a point per game player when he got his.  
 

You can complain about the length of the deals if you want, but they were both paid fairly based on their production at the time.

Yay, 3:00 start. So I’ll maybe get to see most of the third period. 

4 minutes ago, nipples said:

Yay, 3:00 start. So I’ll maybe get to see most of the third period. 

With only two series it’s stupid the NHL would put a game on at 3. Just go ever other until the weekend then you can do an afternoon game to squeeze in a back to back.

24 minutes ago, 20Safety_Hazards said:

With only two series it’s stupid the NHL would put a game on at 3. Just go ever other until the weekend then you can do an afternoon game to squeeze in a back to back.

Right. May have to just do a sling tv free trial and get it on my phone at my desk

2 hours ago, Shocker54 said:

This is a must win today in my opinion 

He's not known as the best colorman in the league for nothing folks!

11 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Pretty strange stance to take — Voracek was given his mega contract coming off a season where he finished 4th in NHL scoring.  Giroux was better than a point per game player when he got his.  
 

You can complain about the length of the deals if you want, but they were both paid fairly based on their production at the time.

but they havent gotten us cups, just seems like giroux and jake apologists just dont see to care about winning cups, it's all about them and nothing else because if they care, there are no reasons to defend these players after 8 years of basically nothing and waste of cap space on players.

2 hours ago, toughfighter83 said:

but they havent gotten us cups, just seems like giroux and jake apologists just dont see to care about winning cups, it's all about them and nothing else because if they care, there are no reasons to defend these players after 8 years of basically nothing and waste of cap space on players.

They can't get you Cups by themselves.  A good head coach with a solid defensive system and strong goaltending is what wins cups the majority of the time.  The organization hasn't even come close to building a contender in the past 10 years.  Who was the last top-tier defenseman the Flyers had ... Timonen? Pronger?  It's been a very long time.  You're not winning anything with Mark Streit or Michael Del Zotto or Andrew MacDonald leading the team in ice time.  They're just now building a solid (but young) core back there.  

Carter Hart will be a consensus top 10 NHL goalie very soon.  Who was the last top 10 goalie the Flyers had .... Hextall?  Lindbergh?  This season is the first time the Flyers have been top 10 in goals against since ..... 2004.  You've got to go back to the Ken Hitchcock days, with Roman Cechmanek/Robert Esche, and Kim Johnsson/Desjardins/Weinrich/Therien on defense since this team was a true contender.  That was many years before Giroux and Voracek came along.  Their run to the Cup Finals in 2010 came after making the playoffs in a shootout on the final day of the regular season; that team was never sustainable, although talented.

If you're getting gifted 2nd and 1st overall picks like Malkin and Crosby back-to-back, maybe you can be the exception -- or 3rd overall, 1st overall back-to-back like Toews and Kane in CHI.  Otherwise it doesn't come that easily.  Giroux and Voracek were 22nd and 7th, respectively.  You may have been expecting too much.

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

They can't get you Cups by themselves.  A good head coach with a solid defensive system and strong goaltending is what wins cups the majority of the time.  The organization hasn't even come close to building a contender in the past 10 years.  Who was the last top-tier defenseman the Flyers had ... Timonen? Pronger?  It's been a very long time.  You're not winning anything with Mark Streit or Michael Del Zotto or Andrew MacDonald leading the team in ice time.  They're just now building a solid (but young) core back there.  

Carter Hart will be a consensus top 10 NHL goalie very soon.  Who was the last top 10 goalie the Flyers had .... Hextall?  Lindbergh?  This season is the first time the Flyers have been top 10 in goals against since ..... 2004.  You've got to go back to the Ken Hitchcock days, with Roman Cechmanek/Robert Esche, and Kim Johnsson/Desjardins/Weinrich/Therien on defense since this team was a true contender.  That was many years before Giroux and Voracek came along.  Their run to the Cup Finals in 2010 came after making the playoffs in a shootout on the final day of the regular season; that team was never sustainable, although talented.

If you're getting gifted 2nd and 1st overall picks like Malkin and Crosby back-to-back, maybe you can be the exception -- or 3rd overall, 1st overall back-to-back like Toews and Kane in CHI.  Otherwise it doesn't come that easily.  Giroux and Voracek were 22nd and 7th, respectively.  You may have been expecting too much.

I don’t think it’s all on voracek and giroux for why they haven’t won a cup. But they are definitely a major reason why they hadn’t advanced in years to the second round even with other flaws on the team. There’s been worse teams then the flyers that have to advance a round. 

 i expect the captain and considered a top 20 player in the league to have more than 1 goal in his last 22 playoff games and 0 goals through 10 playoff games this year. I don’t expect him to be Crosby superstar. But come on he’s basically no showed for the third straight time in the playoffs as the captain. 

G is back Up with Couts and Voracek. No excuses, that line needs to produce.  All of the top 6 do. 
 

Let’s get it done!

9 minutes ago, 20Safety_Hazards said:

G is back Up with Couts and Voracek. No excuses, that line needs to produce.  All of the top 6 do. 
 

Let’s get it done!

Kind of feels like backs against the wall type of game. Not sure you want to go down 0-2 to a team you have struggled against. Especially when i think it’s likely hart doesn’t start tomorrow since it’s a back to back from what I’ve heard.