2 hours ago, Shocker54 said:

Bringing in elite talent is going to be impossible because you can't get Jake and G's ridiculous deals off the books.

anything is possible, they pulled a shocker when they traded carter and richards even i was shocked they traded richards because i thought they were just going to trade carter, i know giroux is on ntc, they can force him to waive it and trade him or they could trade jvr and jake contracts too. it will be interesting on what happens. they are going to make some moves, i'll be shocked if they dont.

31 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

anything is possible, they pulled a shocker when they traded carter and richards even i was shocked they traded richards because i thought they were just going to trade carter, i know giroux is on ntc, they can force him to waive it and trade him or they could trade jvr and jake contracts too. it will be interesting on what happens. they are going to make some moves, i'll be shocked if they dont.

In order to move ghost (who’ve they been trying to move for a couple seasons according to one of the best writers on 975 the other day) and JVR gonna have to either give up a high pick or prospect. I would do so just to get the cap space off the books and we have a full cupboard of prospects we could afford to do so and get the cap space. I do think JVR has value to a team needing to get to the cap floor and wants a goal scorer that fits what they do. He just isn’t a fit here and if he’s not scoring goals he’s basically useless everywhere else and has been underwhelming his entire tenure with the Flyers. 

All a NMC really means in practical terms is that a player (Giroux) gives the Flyers a list of teams he will waive that NMC to move.  Hopefully the player is not a **** like Iginla was with the Flames, when he only gave two teams (BOS, PIT), then refused a trade to BOS.

I think everyone understands Giroux and Voracek are not the future and the Flyers will see if there is a market for them.  They’re both over 30 so they’d be seen as complementary pieces for a contender — the compensation would reflect that, so don’t expect too much.  JVR is in that same group but his performance dictates an even lower return.

Personally I still think the Flyers need a stud #1 defenceman like Pietrangelo AND a sniper like Patrick Laine — unfortunately both would be really expensive and the Flyers have no cap room.  Doing a fire sale on G, Jake, and JVR might be the only option.  Gostisbehere is another guy who is likely gone and will fetch a lower return than Flyers fans think.

Long answer short is they have to dump age and salary for peanuts to free up cap space; Fletcher will get A+ marks if he can get any value back in the course of doing so.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

All a NMC really means in practical terms is that a player (Giroux) gives the Flyers a list of teams he will waive that NMC to move.  Hopefully the player is not a **** like Iginla was with the Flames, when he only gave two teams (BOS, PIT), then refused a trade to BOS.

I think everyone understands Giroux and Voracek are not the future and the Flyers will see if there is a market for them.  They’re both over 30 so they’d be seen as complementary pieces for a contender — the compensation would reflect that, so don’t expect too much.  JVR is in that same group but his performance dictates an even lower return.

Personally I still think the Flyers need a stud #1 defenceman like Pietrangelo AND a sniper like Patrick Laine — unfortunately both would be really expensive and the Flyers have no cap room.  Doing a fire sale on G, Jake, and JVR might be the only option.  Gostisbehere is another guy who is likely gone and will fetch a lower return than Flyers fans think.

Long answer short is they have to dump age and salary for peanuts to free up cap space; Fletcher will get A+ marks if he can get any value back in the course of doing so.

Agree.  At this point I don't have expectations of getting anything good back for G, Jake or JVR.  I just want their albatross contracts off the books and will be happy that some team took them on, even if we get peanuts in return.  We have a good amount of prospects so if you get those contracts off the books and add 1 each of a high quality forward and Dman both no older than mid 20s while continuing to develop the prospects then we'd be a in a good position going forward.

Kind of surprised we are 10 and not higher around 5-7

https://theathletic.com/2034929/2020/09/07/2020-nhl-organizational-rankings-no-10-philadelphia-flyers/?source=user_shared_article
 

The Flyers in recent years have done an excellent job at stocking their system, and even as they graduate numerous key players the team still has numerous very talented players on the way or on the big club. The future of 2017 second-overall pick Nolan Patrick will play a big part in this team, but having top young talent like Joel Farabee and Carter Hart can provide wiggle room if his career doesn’t end up being what was once envisioned. Their system features a lot of players who I think will exceed their draft slot.

Key graduates: Ivan Provorov, Travis Konecny, Oskar Lindblom, Nicolas Aube-Kubel, Philippe Myers

2019 ranking: No. 7

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Player Ranking

1. Joel Farabee, LW, Philadelphia-NHL

Feb. 25, 2000 | six-foot | 163 pounds

Tier: High-end NHL player

Skating: 50
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 50
Hockey Sense: 65

Farabee played almost his entire 19-year-old season with the Flyers after leaving college following his freshman year. Farabee had a great camp and looked like he belonged at the top level playing at a 33-point pace over a full season. Farabee is a fun player to watch. He’s a player with a high skill level who makes a lot of plays, but is also a very competitive player who pressures opponents well and gets to the net. He doesn’t lean on his skill consistently, but it’s a big part of his game, and he can dazzle at a given moment. He’s a great playmaker who makes creative passes often and can improvise well under pressure to create chances. The main issue in Farabee’s game is his average footspeed. Given his lack of speed, he likely won’t become a top NHLer until he physically matures, but I think given his IQ and competitiveness he projects to become a top-line winger in the league as he develops.

2. Carter Hart, G, Philadelphia-NHL

Aug. 13, 1998 | 6-foot-2 | 181 pounds

Tier: High-end NHL player

Athleticism: 60
Hockey Sense: 65

Hart was a solid NHL goalie in 2019-20, but very impressive for one of the youngest regular starting goalies in recent years in the NHL. Hart’s value primarily comes from his great hockey sense. He’s always impressed with how quickly and efficiently he processes the game. Even at the highest level, there isn’t a lot of panic in his game. He tracks and anticipates passing plays very well and moves to the right spot efficiently. He isn’t conservative though, as Hart challenges high when he needs to and has an active stick to break up plays. For a slightly undersized goalie, he doesn’t have truly elite lateral quickness, but he does have a powerful lower body and can explode across his crease quickly when he needs to make a tough save. NHL scouts praise his competitiveness and how well he’s handled the role for such a young goalie in the league. He looks like he will be a quality starting goalie in the league for a long time.

3. Nolan Patrick, C, Philadelphia-NHL

Sept. 19, 1998 | 6-foot-2 | 198 pounds

Tier: High-end/very good bubble

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 55
Hockey Sense: 60

Patrick is an extremely tough evaluation case. When healthy, Patrick’s toolkit is one that looks like a top-line forward all day long. The former No. 2 pick is a well-rounded player. He’s a right-handed center who skates at a quality NHL level. He has quick-twitch hands and a lot of creativity, with the ability to make skilled plays at full speed making him a dangerous player off entries. I wouldn’t say there’s any one aspect of his game that blows you away. He’s very smart but it’s not elite smarts, nor is his skill or speed, but he does all of those things very well. He’s also a competitive player who makes a lot of plays around the net. Patrick also missed the entire season due to migraine issues, which is why slotting his value is so tough for me as calibrating that risk seems almost impossible with the information I have. I incorporated some risk into his grading but I was conservative in how much I knocked him for the injury concerns until I know more.

4. Morgan Frost, C, Lehigh Valley-AHL

May 14, 1999 | 5-foot-11 | 170 pounds

Tier: High-end/very good bubble

Skating: 50
Puck Skills: 65
Physical Game: 35
Hockey Sense: 65

Frost had a successful first pro season, being named an All-Star in the AHL and playing a lengthy number of games with the Flyers where he looked like he belonged. Frost’s game is pure skill. In the AHL and NHL he showed immense confidence with the puck to attempt elite skill plays and can break open a shift with how he can deke through opponents. He’s also an extremely creative and intelligent playmaker who can make tough plays in small areas and run a power-play unit off the flank. He has the puck game to be a big-time scorer. Frost’s challenges will be on the physical side. He’s not that fast nor big, and versus men he had trouble getting around players and to the middle of the ice like he could in junior. I think he’s going to be a great NHL player, but he will need time to develop.

5. Egor Zamula, D, Calgary-WHL

March 30, 2000 | 6-foot-3 | 176 pounds

Tier: Very good NHL player

Skating: 50
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 60
Hockey Sense: 60

Zamula is a player who has trended up significantly after being a free-agent signing out of junior. He was great at the world juniors where he was Russia’s No. 1 defenseman. Following the tournament, it was announced he would have season-ending back surgery but he returned for Philly’s camp in the restart. When he’s on the ice, Zamula is a very smart and poised puck-mover. The offensive parts of his game have continued to develop, and last season I saw truly dynamic skill from him. You add onto that he’s a 6-foot-3 defenseman who can kill rushes and win battles and it’s a very interesting package. His skating is not the best, and you don’t like hearing the words "back surgery” for a teenager but his health seems to be trending in a very positive manner.

6. Cam York, D, Michigan-Big Ten

Jan. 5, 2001 | 5-foot-11 | 174 pounds

Tier: Very good NHL player

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 40
Hockey Sense: 60

York was a top player for Michigan, playing a lot of minutes as a freshman and a limited role at the world juniors. York’s poise with the puck is evident whenever he’s on the ice. He’s a heads-up passer who makes great exits consistently. He’s confident enough and talented enough with the puck to make highly-skilled plays and look for tough passes in the offensive zone. York’s skating is good enough to pull away from checkers and create off the blue line. He can pull away from guys but his skating won’t be his main selling point. Given his brain and skating combo he can defend well enough at his 5-foot-11 size to project to hold his own at the higher levels, although scouts think in the NHL his value will come more from his offense.

7. Bobby Brink, RW, Denver-NCHC

July 8, 2001 | 5-foot-8 | 163 pounds

Tier: Very good NHL player

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 25
Hockey Sense: 65

Brink was impressive as a freshman, scoring at a near point per game pace and being a top player for Denver. He stands out with the puck on his stick. Brink is full of skill, and offensive creativity. He makes tough plays off the flank with space, and in tight areas when he needs to improvise. He’s a fantastic passer who can create chances in bunches and projects to run a power play at the pro level. Brink has a good shot too and can beat goalies from mid-range if given space. He prefers to make a play or shoot the puck, but he has slippery skill to make plays through defenders. The puck game is unquestionable, but Brink’s detractors point to his 5-foot-8 frame and wonky skating stride. I thought his skating looked more powerful this season and he showed an ability to pull away and get around the ice well. The technique is still not great and his stride can break down and flail as often as he is able to turn defenders around. I think he’s quick enough and competes well enough to make it but debates about him rage on in NHL scouting circles.

8. Ronnie Attard, D, Western Michigan-NCHC

March 20, 1999 | 6-foot-3 | 207 pounds

Tier: Legit NHL player

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 60
Hockey Sense: 55
Shot: 60

There aren’t a lot of players who get drafted in their third eligible season with 84 points in 144 USHL games I think will become an NHL player, but I think Attard will be the exception based on what I’ve seen the last two years. I see a player who has a lot of what you want in an NHL player and was impressive in college. He’s a 6-foot-3 right-handed defenseman who can skate. He closes gaps and jumps up into attacks well due to his skating. Attard’s offensive game has developed over the years. He’s got sneaky skill to make plays through opponents, he can find seams and has a hard shot from the point. I don’t see an NHL power-play type and his playmaking isn’t consistent, but he can move the puck fine. I see a player with a lot of potential.

9. Wade Allison, RW, Western Michigan-NCHC

Oct. 14, 1997 | 6-foot-2 | 205 pounds

Tier: Legit NHL player

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 55
Hockey Sense: 55
Shot: 60

Allison had four solid, albeit unspectacular, college seasons. His toolkit looks like a no-doubt NHL player. He’s 6-foot-2, he can skate, he has great hands, and he can shoot the puck at a high level. On his best days where he’s flying around the ice, making plays at speed and getting to the net he can be a handful to deal with. It’s why I’ve talked to scouts for years who think he can be a top-six NHL player. Allison can be inconsistent though and while he has fine hockey sense I don’t think he makes a ton of plays to his teammates, which is why other scouts are skeptical his game is going to work in the big leagues. I think there’s too much talent for him not to make it, but he will need to show up more often versus men.

10. Noah Cates, LW, Minnesota-Duluth-NCHC

Feb. 5, 1999 | 6-foot-2 | 190 pounds

Tier: Legit NHL player

Skating: 50
Puck Skills: 55
Physical Game: 55
Hockey Sense: 60

Cates was one of the top players in the NCHC and was named a second-team All-American. Cates isn’t going to jump off the page to you. He has a so-so skating stride and isn’t going to pop with speed or skill. He’s a very intelligent and competitive player though. He wins a lot of battles. He can kill penalties. He makes a lot of clever plays with the puck and can shoot it well. Cates shows flashes of offensive creativity as a handler and passer. There are times when I wonder if it’s enough, but he’s been so good in college the last two seasons for a top team that I think he could play at the bottom of an NHL lineup.

11. Isaac Ratcliffe, LW, Lehigh Valley-AHL

Feb. 15, 1999 | 6-foot-6 | 201 pounds

Tier: Legit NHL player

Skating: 40
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 80
Hockey Sense: 55

Ratcliffe had an up-and-down rookie pro season, with very good flashes but struggled to generate consistent offense and didn’t get a ton of power-play time with Lehigh Valley. Despite his 15-point season I still see way too many good attributes that I think he’s going to make it. He’s a 6-foot-6 forward with a high skill level. With his wingspan and skill, Ratcliffe has the ability to beat pros one-on-one and open up shifts. He can make plays and finish them well. I wouldn’t call him a top-end playmaker, but he has good flashes with the puck. He competes well, and can play in the hard areas of the ice. Ratcliffe’s main hindrance from making the NHL will be his footspeed and whether he can handle the NHL pace. I think he’s so talented he can do it despite his quickness, but he will need to prove it in the AHL first.

12. Tanner Laczynski, C, Ohio State-Big Ten

June 1, 1997 | 6-foot-1 | 205 pounds

Tier: Legit NHL player

Skating: 50
Puck Skills: 55
Physical Game: 50
Hockey Sense: 60
Shot: 60

Laczynski has been a very good college player for the past four seasons at OSU, often being one of the better forwards in the nation, but he never had a truly dominant season. He’s a very smart two-way center. He’s got the high-end brain to run a power play and to make tough plays in small areas. He has good puck skills and can make plays through defenders. Even though he’s never posted huge goal totals, he has a very good shot, with the ability to score from range. I attribute his low goal totals to more of a pass-first mentality. He competes well off the puck, showing a two-way mentality that will endear him to coaches. Laczynski’s skating is the main thing that will hold him back from possibly being an NHL player as his quickness is very average and he lacks a true separation gear. It’s why some NHL scouts think he won’t make it, but others think he has enough positive attributes to overcome that.

NHL potential

Jack St. Ivany, D, Yale-ECAC: St. Ivany is interesting as a 6-foot-3 right-handed defenseman who can move the puck and is smart defensively. His skating has hampered him for a while but it’s good enough to be a relevant prospect.

Mason Millman, D, Saginaw-OHL:Millman has progressed well, earning an invite to Canada’s U20 camp this summer after a strong second OHL season. He’s a mobile defenseman who can move the puck and make stops with his feet and physical play. His offensive touch isn’t that interesting but he showed good flashes of top-level vision last season.

Ivan Fedotov, G, Chelyabinsk-KHL:Fedotov had a successful season in the KHL, being a quality goalie in that league. He’s a monster at 6-foot-6 and moves reasonably well for a goalie of that size. I’m not convinced his processing speed or lateral quickness are clear NHL quality, but he has good flashes and is an intriguing athlete.

Samuel Ersson, G, Brynas-SHL: Ersson is a very intelligent and efficient goalie with a sharp glove hand who was brilliant in the 2019 season in the Allsvenskan and at the world juniors. He’s not that big or quick, though, so he had a tougher time in the SHL in 2020.

Adam Ginning, D, Linkoping-SHL:Ginning is a big defenseman who competes hard and shows good two-way sense. His game lacks much in terms of speed and skill however.

Flyers couldn't score in 3 periods against Greiss. TB just scored a goal in a minute and a half.

It goes without saying that tampa is in another galaxy in terms of offensive prowess compared to the flyers

The Bolts put up 3 goals in the Isles in just one period.  Shows how F'ing pathetic we played.  After watching TB just rip apart the Bawston Bs I figured they'd kicked up their game a few notches and are the favourites to win the Cup.  We still have a ways to go.

 

6 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

The Bolts put up 3 goals in the Isles in just one period.  Shows how F'ing pathetic we played.  After watching TB just rip apart the Bawston Bs I figured they'd kicked up their game a few notches and are the favourites to win the Cup.  We still have a ways to go.

 

The core of that team has been together for years now. 

Kuch, killorn, point, gourde, Johnson, palat, vasy, hedman, coburn, mcdonagh. 

They should be a powerhouse. The flyers can look like that if their young players continue to develop well.

24 minutes ago, devpool said:

The core of that team has been together for years now. 

Kuch, killorn, point, gourde, Johnson, palat, vasy, hedman, coburn, mcdonagh. 

They should be a powerhouse. The flyers can look like that if their young players continue to develop well.

Let's hope so.  On a side note, our few core players who have been together for a handful of years (G, Coots, Jake) didn't perform.  Coots was the best of the 3 (and still in his prime years so worth keeping), but shows our old core needs to be turned over.  

1 hour ago, vsptroops said:

Flyers couldn't score in 3 periods against Greiss. TB just scored a goal in a minute and a half.

 

45 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

The Bolts put up 3 goals in the Isles in just one period.  Shows how F'ing pathetic we played.  After watching TB just rip apart the Bawston Bs I figured they'd kicked up their game a few notches and are the favourites to win the Cup.  We still have a ways to go.

 

Honestly since the first game against Columbus they’ve been playing much better. They have the best roster and most talent. They really should win the cup. It’s kind of pathetic how they’ve choked the past couple years cause their roster is really stacked. Flyers and islanders didn’t have a chance. Hart would have to stand on his head cause imo lightning have the best team and playing the best. 

14 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Let's hope so.  On a side note, our few core players who have been together for a handful of years (G, Coots, Jake) didn't perform.  Coots was the best of the 3 (and still in his prime years so worth keeping), but shows our old core needs to be turned over.  

Yea but look at that "core". It's 3 dudes, all forwards. Compare that to tampa, Boston, etc who have 7-8 guys across the entire team who have been together for years. I think the flyers can get to that level.

They definitely ish the bed in these playoffs. But a very young team in their first year under a new coach played very well during the regular season and at least got some playoff experience. After cooling down after the exit I like the direction we're headed.

6 minutes ago, devpool said:

Yea but look at that "core". It's 3 dudes, all forwards. Compare that to tampa, Boston, etc who have 7-8 guys across the entire team who have been together for years. I think the flyers can get to that level.

They definitely ish the bed in these playoffs. But a very young team in their first year under a new coach played very well during the regular season and at least got some playoff experience. After cooling down after the exit I like the direction we're headed.

We need a few key pieces in the short term until the young core can pick up the mantle for themselves.  They have decisions to make on which young core players to keep for the long term.  Hart, Provy, Sanheim, Myers, TK, Farabee, Frost are all young guys they need to keep and allow to develop into polished vets (Coots as well, though he's a young vet).  Guys like Laughton, NAK, Hagg, Ghost are ones they need to make decisions on.  

12 hours ago, Green_Guinness said:

We need a few key pieces in the short term until the young core can pick up the mantle for themselves.  They have decisions to make on which young core players to keep for the long term.  Hart, Provy, Sanheim, Myers, TK, Farabee, Frost are all young guys they need to keep and allow to develop into polished vets (Coots as well, though he's a young vet).  Guys like Laughton, NAK, Hagg, Ghost are ones they need to make decisions on.  

I want to keep ghost. Hagg can go

I’d like to keep ghost but only if they actually use him. If it’s going to be more of the same healthy scratch for Braun then get whatever value you can for him. 

10 minutes ago, 20Safety_Hazards said:

I’d like to keep ghost but only if they actually use him. If it’s going to be more of the same healthy scratch for Braun then get whatever value you can for him. 

If we aren’t going to use him the cap space acquired from trading him is more beneficial. He has a 4.5 mil cap hit. For a healthy scratch that’s an absurd amount. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If we aren’t going to use him the cap space acquired from trading him is more beneficial. He has a 4.5 mil cap hit. For a healthy scratch that’s an absurd amount. 

Agreed. Like I said, get the most value for him and move. That said, I’d prefer they actually keep him and use him. I’m just being a realist. I don’t think AV will use him as he should. 

Talks about Hoffman from the panthers and trading off JVR in his other tweets 

1 hour ago, 20Safety_Hazards said:

Agreed. Like I said, get the most value for him and move. That said, I’d prefer they actually keep him and use him. I’m just being a realist. I don’t think AV will use him as he should. 

Oh I also agree. I think AV Would also prefer JVR not being on this team as well. I don’t think he likes either player for his style. 

 

I’m still intrigued by nolan Patrick’s potential, but if your giving me a bonafide goal scorer in return sign me up.

11 hours ago, 20Safety_Hazards said:

I’m still intrigued by nolan Patrick’s potential, but if your giving me a bonafide goal scorer in return sign me up.

I imagine it’s gonna be more than just Nolan Patrick in terms of prospects. With Patrick having his migraine issues I can’t imagine Winnipeg is just going to have him as the only Good prospect coming back their way

It would realistically be patrick, likely one of sanheim/myers, and a pick or another high end prospect. There is no earthly way patrick would be the only player involved on our side. The flyers would have to be really, really high on zamula or York to move one of those defensemen before even seeing those guys in action at the NHL level.

Honestly I'm not sure I would be down for it. Seems very holmgren-esque and that's not a path I'm willing to go down again

Oh I didn’t think it would be straight up. But I’m also not moving Patrick in a deal unless I’m getting legit value in return.

12 hours ago, devpool said:

It would realistically be patrick, likely one of sanheim/myers, and a pick or another high end prospect. There is no earthly way patrick would be the only player involved on our side. The flyers would have to be really, really high on zamula or York to move one of those defensemen before even seeing those guys in action at the NHL level.

Honestly I'm not sure I would be down for it. Seems very holmgren-esque and that's not a path I'm willing to go down again

I don’t know, I would think about doing Nolan Patrick and York if that’s what it took. I like Nolan Patrick but I don’t think he’s ever going to be great. He definitely has top 6 forward talent but i kind of feel the same way i did about JVR where he’s good but not what you expected out of the no. 2 pick. And he’s dealing with migraine issues which might affect him throughout his career. I wouldn’t trade sanheim in the deal. That’s a breaking point. Myers id try to keep by offering York and a first. If they asked for York, Patrick and a first i would do it. I think laine is what this team needs badly and I’d also try then to unload JVR somewhere else.  

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know, I would think about doing Nolan Patrick and York if that’s what it took. I like Nolan Patrick but I don’t think he’s ever going to be great. He definitely has top 6 forward talent but i kind of feel the same way i did about JVR where he’s good but not what you expected out of the no. 2 pick. And he’s dealing with migraine issues which might affect him throughout his career. I wouldn’t trade sanheim in the deal. That’s a breaking point. Myers id try to keep by offering York and a first. If they asked for York, Patrick and a first i would do it. I think laine is what this team needs badly and I’d also try then to unload JVR somewhere else.  

This I would definitely go for, I used "holmgren-esque" a little loosely.  I just wouldn't trade sanheim or myers right now especially since that basically leaves you with provorov and myers as the only dependable defensemen going forward (niskanen will be gone after next season), so to trade one of those two they really have to be sure about york or zamula.  If they took patrick, ghost and a first I would jump all over it, cause we need to shed salary also in order to bring laine in. Maybe throw in a low end forward prospect also like strome or something

Doubt anyone would trade for JvR but they should be shopping him around also