He said: "Never in history has a country been defeated as Iran has. We wiped it off the face of the earth."

THAT SAME DAY:

Iran launched its 80th wave of missile strikes against Israel and US bases.

Iran's IRGC announced ALL American military bases in the Middle East have been "ELIMINATED" and they are hunting the remaining US troops.

Iran released video claiming they shot down a US F-18 fighter jet near Chabahar.

CENTCOM denied both claims. But released no footage.

Iran announced the Strait of Hormuz will never be the same.

20+ ships have ALREADY paid the "Tehran Toll Booth" for safe passage.

Iran's parliament is drafting a LAW to make the Hormuz toll system permanent.

Iran then threatened to block the Bab el-Mandeb Strait — the entrance to the Red Sea.

That's 12% of all global seaborne oil.

On top of the 20% that already flows through the Hormuz they now control.

Here's what nobody is telling you:

The US spent months bombing Iran.

Iran responded by becoming the landlord of the world's most important shipping lanes.

That's not a defeat. That's a business model.

Bookmark this. Come back in 5 days.

Maybe if we round up trump, his family, all his cabinet, any complicit congress members and just to make it bi partisan, add Chuck Schumer. Then we give them over to Iran as a big beautiful gift, a peace offering so to speak. See what happens…

36 minutes ago, paco said:

Pay millions of dollars to the insurance companies

Oh yeah, why didn’t someone think of that?

15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Can we just speed run to November and get this over with?

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

@Diehardfan Remember when you laughed at me for saying Iran would close the Strait? Pepperidge Farm remembers. 

Does it remember it started over a post about their navy?

On 3/9/2026 at 11:53 AM, Diehardfan said:

First off my reply was to someone saying Iran was going to close it. I did laugh and they haven't. Insurance companies essentially have.

DAMN YOU STATE FARM!!!!!!!!!!!

6 minutes ago, paco said:

DAMN YOU STATE FARM!!!!!!!!!!!

"I'm done in here"

8 minutes ago, paco said:

DAMN YOU STATE FARM!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep going back

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Keep going back

With that banger?

No, I really don't think I need to

Just now, paco said:

With that banger?

No, I really don't think I need to

Course not. Keep going.

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

How do you get the Strait back open and kept open and without ships having to pay millions to Iran to pass? There is no reasonable strategic solution in sight at this stage.

You don't. But I'm not sending troops to their deaths to reduce the price of oil.

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

You don't. But I'm not sending troops to their deaths to reduce the price of oil.

Maybe we could work something out long term where we pay an elevated price for our ships to pass through it, which isn't ideal either but it's still better than a prolonged war and dead soldiers.

5 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

You don't. But I'm not sending troops to their deaths to reduce the price of oil.

Doesnt it go deeper than that though? I thought I read a post in here about the death of economy when oil starts trading for Chinese yuan instead of American dollars.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Doesnt it go deeper than that though?

Are you implying their nuclear program, the support of terrorism and the danger to Israel?

I’d say that all of that is extremely important to Israel, but oil and money is more important to Trump and his corruption syndicate.

7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Maybe we could work something out long term where we pay an elevated price for our ships to pass through it, which isn't ideal either but it's still better than a prolonged war and dead soldiers.

Viewing it from the Iranian perspective: why would they agree to that deal and just forget everything else that has happened? If the regime stays in power after all of this, you can be certain that revenge is coming in the future. It’s not like the US is loved in that region, even by the so called Arab allies. They’re using their money to extort everything possible (military equipment, secrets etc.) to develop their weapons.

And Israel is not going to keep quiet either. They’re no angels in this whole mess either & it should be possible to criticize Israel without being anti semitic.

6 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

Are you implying their nuclear program, the support of terrorism and the danger to Israel?

I’d say that all of that is extremely important to Israel, but oil and money is more important to Trump and his corruption syndicate.

Im talking about implications for us. Not Trump's personal motives.

I dont think we need troops to go "fight for lower oil prices." I think we need troops to go fight mainly for all of the downstream implications from that that affect our country, and the worlds economy. And, our future from an Iran that has experienced victory over the USA.

Iran has the blueprint now to exert power over us any time we try to keep them in check. From now on, no half measures will be possible. We want to sanction them, or selectively bomb certain sites to slow them down- they have the answer.

2 hours ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

My view as well. I mean what is Iran supposed to think after they were attacked during negotiations and now the build up of ground forces, with new negotiations on the horizon?

"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me”… they will be ready this time with everything they have left.

An off ramp is not an easy task with the way this "excursion” has been handled. Trump is out of his league here and let’s hope his stupidity will not be the cause of a high casualty rate for our troops.

And the time Israel wiped out a dozen houthi leaders who showed up to negotiate. For the Us and its closest military allies to be assassinating and abducting foreign leaders during negotiations is a can of worms that will reverberate for decades. But Trump don't give a rats about that, he'll burn the world to cinders just to win next week's Fox Poll.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im talking about implications for us. Not Trump's personal motives.

I dont think we need troops to go "fight for lower oil prices." I think we need troops to go fight mainly for all of the downstream implications from that that affect our country, and the worlds economy. And, our future from an Iran that has experienced victory over the USA.

Iran has the blueprint now to exert power over us any time we try to keep them in check. From now on, no half measures will be possible. We want to sanction them, or selectively bomb certain sites to slow them down- they have the answer.

Good point, which is exactly the reason that this was a terrible idea, at least from the way they have handled it. I’m not talking about the military success, but the political implications and what happens in the future.

Even though the Iraq War was based on bad intelligence/lies and ended up causing a lot of problems in that region for multiple years, the Bush administration brought along the country at the start and also included his important allies. Nothing is ever perfect, but the way this is being handled is described best with incompetence.

Well, it’s done now and we’ve back ourselves into a corner. Damned if you do and dammed if you don’t. This is the type of mess where it’s terrible to have an impulsive "leader” at the helm. That’s one of the main reasons no other president went on this "excursion”.

I’d hate to see more US "kids” die for some idiotic war that was unnecessary to start. How about this idea: give Israel all the firepower / equipment / intelligence they need and let them put boots on the ground.

And give em all the new stuff, instead of the way we handled it in Ukraine. Or is this more our neighborhood than Eastern Europe?

I bet if we turned Trump over to them they'd let us start going back through the Strait. Maybe even for free. American regime change would be a pretty big feather in their cap. Seems like a small price to pay.

17 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

I bet if we turned Trump over to them they'd let us start going back through the Strait. Maybe even for free. American regime change would be a pretty big feather in their cap. Seems like a small price to pay.

Doesnt accomplish much. Next president can still be squashed under Iran regime's thumb. Iran can from this point forward do whatever the F they want and we cant stop them with half measures. Theyve proved that now. Our last/only option seems to be full out war.

I do like @Frankfurteagle89 idea to just use Israeli troops, but Trump will be blackmailed in to helping with US troops as well.

13 hours ago, Paul852 said:

No.

That's not me being a smart a** either. It's just beyond that at this point. I don't even see how oil could come down in the next 2-3 years. This was stupid from the start.

We will be lucky at this point if this doesn't escalate into a larger conflict.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Doesnt accomplish much. Next president can still be squashed under Iran regime's thumb. Iran can from this point forward do whatever the F they want and we cant stop them with half measures. Theyve proved that now. Our last/only option seems to be full out war.

I do like @Frankfurteagle89 idea to just use Israeli troops, but Trump will be blackmailed in to helping with US troops as well.

Israel doesn't have anywhere near the man power to accomplish what you want to accomplish. And I'm willing to pay more at the pump to avoid a full scale war that could easily go on for decades. Lowering gas prices isn't worth sacrificing thousands of soldiers, trillions of dollars and ending up with God knows what kind of nightmare in Iran when all's said and done. And removing Iran's bargaining chip isn't worth all that either. Trump F'd it up. We should cut our losses and move on.