9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Deep breaths guys

 

Page 420…pack one up
 

I still hold Bitcoin, Wagmi, Hbar and Qanx. Flame away, I deserve it at the moment. 

10 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

It was so obviously about Goedert. I realize this is futile but must we humor all these ridiculous made up rumors

We must discuss any and all things... because there is nothing real to discuss.   

8 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

You talk about CJGJ as if he was the second coming of Dawkins, he was a middle of the road starting safety who made a few plays (6 picks is pretty good), but stopped a few others (running in to Quinyon when he had his first pro pick almost in his hands) and was often lousy in coverage (got toasted for multiple TD's) but he had a big mouth swagger to wind up the opposition. He cost more than twice as much as Blankenship last year and his performance did not reflect that disparity.

I don't think you need anybody that good to replace his on field product, the idea Brown absolutely can't do it is based on nothing other than we've never seen him play extended time with the ones, but he is at least as good at annoying opposing players.

No I don't. CJGJ was good. Brown has shown nothing in this league. It's a major stretch to think he can come close to replacing CJGJ or remotely being an NFL starter and that's not overselling CJGJ, that's being skeptical of Brown.

I think one thing we learned from this past two seasons is if you have weaknesses, teams will exploit it. Yeah the coaching i 2023 sucked, but also the Eagles had holes opponents picked on all season. 2024 team shored up those holes and it's a big reason why the defense was so great. You start downgrading at positions and suddenly you have areas on the field top opponents can pick on mercilessly. You at least need competence and I'm not sure the Eagles have that at that spot now that CJGJ is gone. Doesn't mean that will be the case come September if Howie finds a guy. I'm quite confident Brown isn't that guy though.

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Being realistic though, the last 4 drafts have been so good after years of bad defensive drafting. You do have to expect some misses, and that's not pessimism it's just reality of any team drafting. The 1st and 2nd round picks in the last 4 drafts have all become starters and very good ones, and some 3rd rounders and later have also worked out very well. They've found a good process and formula with the scouts, coaches, and personnel folks building their draft board.

In the past we said every team has misses, but Howie had too many on defense. Now he's doing really well, and I expect that to continue especially with Fangio's influence. But no matter how good a team is at drafting, some players just don't work out sometimes. So that may be inevitable. 

What gives me hope and encouragement there is if they are able to draft well like this again and one of the guys just doesn't work out, the other picks should be solid so it's not as hurtful as it was in the past.

I actually think the next two drafts are gonna really dictate how great the Eagles can be going forward. You’re gonna have your core together, which makes up a really good team that can compete. But the thing that elevates you to being greatness and elite like we saw last year is the guys on the peripheral that’s not considered your core. They can play well and get elevated because of that core. Like elite teams in salary cap era can’t keep everyone. So these peripheral guys are ever changing as you hopefully can replace them via draft and keep churning around the core 

So if in the next two drafts can get 3-4 starters and a bunch of depth it is really going to help the Eagles maintain the level that they’re at. If you wind up having a bunch of bust and/or just depth then it’ll be harder to maintain. Especially cause we didn’t have a boatload of major injuries. Going forward we definitely have spots where we need starters like safety (maybe it’s brown), corner (hopefully ringo isngood. Well fine out fast cause I’m guessing teams will pepper him with dejean and Mitchell out there), linebacker (who knows with Dean’s long term and what trotter is), tight end (goedert is likely gone this or next year) and right guard (depending on Becton and steen). Eventually right tackle when lane retires. Can use depth at DE and DT

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Being realistic though, the last 4 drafts have been so good after years of bad defensive drafting. You do have to expect some misses, and that's not pessimism it's just reality of any team drafting. The 1st and 2nd round picks in the last 4 drafts have all become starters and very good ones, and some 3rd rounders and later have also worked out very well. They've found a good process and formula with the scouts, coaches, and personnel folks building their draft board.

In the past we said every team has misses, but Howie had too many on defense. Now he's doing really well, and I expect that to continue especially with Fangio's influence. But no matter how good a team is at drafting, some players just don't work out sometimes. So that may be inevitable. 

What gives me hope and encouragement there is if they are able to draft well like this again and one of the guys just doesn't work out, the other picks should be solid so it's not as hurtful as it was in the past.

We just need to keep in mind that although we have had amazing drafts over the last several seasons - that is not standard.  Only 50%-60% of 1st round draft picks are still in the NFL after 5 years.  (That stat seems to be going up with the higher level of NFL talent entering the NFL along with better scouting, coaching, safety/health, etc) but overall - that is the stat.. 

The later the rounds - the lesser the number all the way down to less than 40% in the later rounds. (Still in the NFL after 5 years).

So out of 8 draft picks, we can expect 4 to work out (at best) long term.

 

27 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Fantastic 

25 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think Justin Simmons will be a post draft signing

Maybe even post June 1 to avoid losing comp pick 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think one thing we learned from this past two seasons is if you have weaknesses, teams will exploit it. Yeah the coaching i 2023 sucked, but also the Eagles had holes opponents picked on all season. 2024 team shored up those holes and it's a big reason why the defense was so great. You start downgrading at positions and suddenly you have areas on the field top opponents can pick on mercilessly. You at least need competence and I'm not sure the Eagles have that at that spot now that CJGJ is gone. Doesn't mean that will be the case come September if Howie finds a guy. I'm quite confident Brown isn't that guy though.

The 2023 defense had holes at S1, RCB, NCB, LB1 and LB2. Oh, and the coaching was bad. And Reddick/Sweat half-quit in the 2nd half of the year.

29 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Fantastic 

He's a project but I respect @just relax opinion when he says he has the "tools" but not the technique - so let's see what Stout U does for the kid. 

9 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Easier said than done, but I'm sure that is part of the plan.  However,  Stout may end up being the best ever, so there will likely be no replacing him.

That's an interesting point, that might be worth discussing.   

As a kid, everyone talked about Joe Bugel, and Joe Bugel built the OL that lead the Redskins to 3 Super Bowl victories (4 appearances) with 3 different QBs... and frankly, 3 different styles of play.  I'd add him to the list for nominees for GOAT OL coach.   Not sure who else should be considered.   The 1970s Raiders coach might make sense.  4 Hall of Famers on that line with Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Jim Otto and Bob Brown.  That's hard to beat.  But, was that his coaching, or was that just maximizing crazy talent?  Brown came to the Raiders as a stud already.  

Stoutland, on the other hand, built Mailata from pretty much the ground up.  

 

Using trash talk as a negative against CJ is an odd point when BG is praised and he gets touted as one of the biggest trash talkers

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

This was known in 2018 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

They were, but being sentimental is fine if the players are young and good. It bit the Eagles because they kept older declining guys. Like after 2017 and after 2022 with Bradberry.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's an interesting point, that might be worth discussing.   

As a kid, everyone talked about Joe Bugel, and Joe Bugel built the OL that lead the Redskins to 3 Super Bowl victories (4 appearances) with 3 different QBs... and frankly, 3 different styles of play.  I'd add him to the list for nominees for GOAT OL coach.   Not sure who else should be considered.   The 1970s Raiders coach might make sense.  4 Hall of Famers on that line with Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Jim Otto and Bob Brown.  That's hard to beat.  But, was that his coaching, or was that just maximizing crazy talent.  Brown came to the Raiders as a stud already.  

Stoutland, on the other hand, built Mailata from pretty much the ground up.  

It's coaching, maximizing talent, and the drive of the player to practice practice practice.  With some, even excellent practice habits aren't enough.  

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's an interesting point, that might be worth discussing.   

As a kid, everyone talked about Joe Bugel, and Joe Bugel built the OL that lead the Redskins to 3 Super Bowl victories (4 appearances) with 3 different QBs... and frankly, 3 different styles of play.  I'd add him to the list for nominees for GOAT OL coach.   Not sure who else should be considered.   The 1970s Raiders coach might make sense.  4 Hall of Famers on that line with Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Jim Otto and Bob Brown.  That's hard to beat.  But, was that his coaching, or was that just maximizing crazy talent?  Brown came to the Raiders as a stud already.  

Stoutland, on the other hand, built Mailata from pretty much the ground up.  

Not just Mailata but the amount of mid-late round draft picks he has developed into premier starting NFL lineman is unprecedented, as far as I am aware.  You simply don't "hit" on that many picks.

12 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Even if they hit on them it could take a year or two. Great for the future, but won't help them next year.

Smitty, Dickerson, Carter, Q and DeJean were rookie starters. I'm hoping for a rookie DE to start.

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Pre-June 1 - Yes.

Post-June 1 - No.

For the post June 1, it is split between the current and next year's cap, correct (i.e. the remaining void years disappear without a cap hit)?

38 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Stop trying to make Lewis Cine a thing

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Smitty, Dickerson, Carter, Q and DeJean were rookie starters. I'm hoping for a rookie DE to start.

My bet would be at TE if goedert is dealt. I kind of think they go TE with one of the 1st 3 picks. And it’s the spot with a clear starter spot opened outside of safety with brown. I’d say corner but i think it’s ringo and i don’t see them taking a corner high enough so the kid would have to really surprise in camps to become the starter. 

59 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

they wouldn’t have traded CJGJ if it was gonna cost him a $14 million cap hit in 2025. They could trade him now, not hurt their cap in 2025 and help themselves in the future.

Have a good day now trolling people 

 

They are about to trade/cut Goedert when he's going to cost them a $21M dead cap hit.

7 minutes ago, time2rock said:

For the post June 1, it is split between the current and next year's cap, correct (i.e. the remaining void years disappear without a cap hit)?

Post June 1st, this years cap hit goes as dead cap and the void years all land in next years as opposed to "disappear without a cap hit"

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Such pessimism.  Took your Negadelphian pills today huh?

 

I've been on board with most of what he has done this offseason.  Trading CJGJ was a bad move that I don't agree with and the strategy put so much weight into relying on this years draft class could come back to blow up on them because he is statistically due for some big misses in the draft.

Also thi k moving on from Goedert is not going to be a good move.

10 minutes ago, time2rock said:

For the post June 1, it is split between the current and next year's cap, correct (i.e. the remaining void years disappear without a cap hit)?

The way it works is, the amount that counts against 2025 would still count against the cap for 2025, but the rest accelerates to 2026.

 

So, for example, a 5 year deal with a $5M signing bonus counts $1M per year.

In year 1, $1M counts against the cap... leaving $4M yet to deal with.

If the player is cut pre-June 1, the full $4M counts against the cap in year 2.
If the player is cut post-June 1, the $1M that would have counted against the cap counts in Year 2, and the remaining $3M counts in year 3.