32 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, I get that. It’s just some of this stuff is high school level. Latu had no business touching the ball at all and should know that. It should be the basics in coaching situational plays. In Rodgers case, him thinking it was a savvy move screams he had no understanding of the rules at all. Clay said he had to remind Rodgers of the rules after the game. Sirianni also got the closest he may have ever gotten to calling out players publicly by saying they are picking that flag up every single time and he should know better.

The occasional gaffe is to be expected but sometimes it goes to the extreme. Even Ojomos leverage call a few weeks ago is another example. It was one of the most blatant leverage penalties in a long while and in a terrible situation as it was 4th and 2 and a long FG.

Outside of Mann’s punting and Carter/JD being freaks on FG blocks, I think special teams has been terrible this year. Another awful year for Jake, it feels like they average 1-2 penalties a game on kickoffs whether it’s illegal formation or holding, Sydney Brown is a complete rock head, they neglected punt returner this year by having Gipson cost them the Dallas game who had a history of having fumble issues, and Shipley is useless on kick returns.

That unit just drives me mad.

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I wouldn't be upset, and I'd certainly do that before resigning Nakobe - but the offense is expensive and we got a lot of DLmen to pay (and CBs after that).

Reed should be cheap enough not to have a real impact. Like 2 years, $12-$14mm total, ~$7mm guaranteed.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I think Vic is going to pound the table for Reed, and he won't cost all that much.

Reed reminds me of Duron Harmon or Patrick Chung on all those very good Belichick NE D's

Neither were great or even very good players but they were very good at doing their jobs in a mix with great players around them.

They both have 3 rings by being good safeties, great teammates, and making some timely plays.

I'd love to have him back for a reasonable salary. If someone wants to pay him like Philly did for Chung in 2015 then see you back in 2027 maybe?

57 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Just a reminder, we have a top-5 defense with Jackson at CB2. Upgrade next season? Sure. But not a priority to use valuable draft resources.

Dont agree bc you have no depth beyond Q. We saw what happened when he exited a game

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Reed should be cheap enough not to have a real impact. Like 2 years, $12-$14mm total, ~$7mm guaranteed.

This is his only chance at a big payday. I think he will get much better on the open market

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Dont agree bc you have no depth beyond Q. We saw what happened when he exited a game

I may get flamed for this, but screw it. Adoree is here on a 1 year, $1.755mm contract. Getting competent CB2 play (for like 75% of the season) for that price is truly amazing. Assuming no one is beating down his door in FA, I wouldn't hate bringing him back on a similar deal in 2026 and having him compete with maybe a mid round pick. I'd pay him that contract to be a vet backup.

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

This is his only chance at a big payday. I think he will get much better on the open market

I just don't think he'll have that deep a market -- UDFA, having a "down" year per some of the ranking services. Can't imagine anyone paying him $10mm AAV.

13 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I think Vic is going to pound the table for Reed, and he won't cost all that much.

I think that's the smart move. Mukuba could end up being great, but I'd say his rookie year was up and down, to be generous. Combine that with CB2 being unsettled and Mitchell and Dejean having to move around a lot to compensate....Reed's role as a glue guy is really important. If the other safety spot and CB2 were more settled, I'd be all for saving a little money and letting Reed walk. But that could be a bad tipping point for this secondary.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I just don't think he'll have that deep a market -- UDFA, having a "down" year per some of the ranking services. Can't imagine anyone paying him $10mm AAV.

You're projecting a contract that is similar to what Epps got from the Raiders after 2022. Is Reed more accomplished despite the "down" year?

27 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

I will be fine if they just go OL and TE in the first three rounds.

Harold Fannin at the end of round 2 instead of Mukuba is the move I would have made. I think Mukuba is a decent player, but he doesn't jump off the screen to me. Hopefully he comes back in year 2 and shows he's a great safety, but I much rather would have had TE1 of the future. Marcus Epps has shown he could be a solid stop gap S if needed.

As a rookie, with 1 game to go, Fannin is sitting at 72 catches for 731 yards and 6 TDs.

Dallas Goedert has 60 catches this year and that's his career high. His career high in yards was in 2021 with 830 yards, and his career high in TDs was 5 before the 11 he has this year.

The Eagles ignoring TE for years and years in the draft and it's finally going to catch up to them this year. The Eagles have ZERO TE's under contract after this year. They've now made TE1 a major need and instead of putting all of their focus on retaining their young stud defensive players, they have to figure out how to fill a TE depth chart at the same time. It's been a huge miscalculation on Howie's part and it's finally going to get them.

44 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

We don't identify as Hurts Lovers. We are just Eagles fans who really like all the winning. (its a lot of winning)

Foles is a demigod of must have games. He is my 2nd favorite Eagle also for the winning.

You all identify as Hurts Haters because you are in a cult.

There is a solo cult of 1 Jason Kelce Hater. We oppose him too without being Kelce Lovers, just Eagles fans.

He is almost never boring. He brings it up once every few months for like 2 posts and moves on.

FWIW most people who really dislike McNabb grew to dislike him after the SB and his continued 2 turnovers every playoff game from that point. His back to back games vs the Cowboys to end his Philly career might be the low point of the 2000s Eagles. 1 TD in most of 2 games. Vick had 1 TD in 3 plays. We were not big on his RONDE! throw or his fumble vs St Louis or his 3 picks when he got physically abused vs Carolina but we stuck with him.

Also the McNabb "hate" is really just constantly putting him in the correct perspective.

People want to make AR or the rest of those teams worse than they were to praise McNabb.

You can disagree with facts and reality.

I was not even aware of his pick in the end zone to lose the game after 4th and 26 that the Packer dropped.

I don't recall realizing how hideous that throw was when it was live. They may not have even shown a replay.

Maybe we were conditioned to always blame Pinkston?

Jim Kelly having 20 TDs to 28 picks in the playoffs does not mean I hate Jim Kelly. Its reality.

Peyton Manning having 1-and-dones with teams that went:

13-3

10-6

10-6

14-2

13-3

12-4

10-6

13-3

12-4 (6 of these 9 were home games in a dome or while breathing more oxygen than the other team)

is not hate. Its reality to help you properly rank him well below Tom Brady, Joe Montana, and Mahomes.

Hey Skippy - we get that a lot of people have off work today, but why don't you wait for mid-afternoon next time before hitting the sauce?

@bpac55 I think a good TE is way more valuable than a mediocre safety.

Revisionist history it should have been Fannin.

Even if he had 1/4th his current numbers but Calcaterra is kept off the field, it may have meant 2 or 3 more wins.

25 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I wouldn't be upset, and I'd certainly do that before resigning Nakobe - but the offense is expensive and we got a lot of DLmen to pay (and CBs after that).

That's why I'm looking to move Landon Dickerson if I can. The Eagles HAVE to find a way to even out the salaries on both sides of the ball. They've got top salaries across the board on offense except for RG. It's time for Jeff Stoutland to show he can develop depth players they've drafted and not just blue chip players. I want to see Drew Kendall, Willie Lampkin, Cam Williams, Myles Hinton and Hollins Pierce step up. ONE of those guys needs to show they can start.

The offense is way too expensive for the production they are giving the team and on the flip side, the defense is totally out performing their contracts.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Harold Fannin at the end of round 2 instead of Mukuba is the move I would have made. I think Mukuba is a decent player, but he doesn't jump off the screen to me. Hopefully he comes back in year 2 and shows he's a great safety, but I much rather would have had TE1 of the future. Marcus Epps has shown he could be a solid stop gap S if needed.

As a rookie, with 1 game to go, Fannin is sitting at 72 catches for 731 yards and 6 TDs.

Dallas Goedert has 60 catches this year and that's his career high. His career high in yards was in 2021 with 830 yards, and his career high in TDs was 5 before the 11 he has this year.

The Eagles ignoring TE for years and years in the draft and it's finally going to catch up to them this year. The Eagles have ZERO TE's under contract after this year. They've now made TE1 a major need and instead of putting all of their focus on retaining their young stud defensive players, they have to figure out how to fill a TE depth chart at the same time. It's been a huge miscalculation on Howie's part and it's finally going to get them.

Harold Fannin is like #2 passing option in that offense, even Shedeur gets to pass it 30 times a game, and at 230lbs I doubt he's a mauler. Otherwise, yes, I don't understand why TE1 keeps getting kicked down the road as Goedert is also injury prone and will exit stage left this offseason.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That's why I'm looking to move Landon Dickerson if I can. The Eagles HAVE to find a way to even out the salaries on both sides of the ball. They've got top salaries across the board on offense except for RG. It's time for Jeff Stoutland to show he can develop depth players they've drafted and not just blue chip players. I want to see Drew Kendall, Willie Lampkin, Cam Williams, Myles Hinton and Hollins Pierce step up. ONE of those guys needs to show they can start.

The offense is way too expensive for the production they are giving the team and on the flip side, the defense is totally out performing their contracts.

The downside of the Howie cap magic is that a lot these contracts are basically guaranteed and carry huge amounts of dead money if you try to move off them.

I have a question for folks who are experienced with sports betting. (@we_gotta_believe might know something.) I know a little but am not that experienced. Nor do I want to be. What I like to do every year is make over/under bets on win totals of eight teams. I use some mathematical formulas that I apply and pick the four teams that I think are most overvalued and four teams that are most undervalued. So I bet $25 on four teams to win "over" and four teams to win "under" their respective totals. My objective is to simply win five of the eight bets, which should assure me a modest profit. I do this for fun and to test my mathematical principles.

At this point, I have four guaranteed winners (worth $198.50) and three guaranteed losers. The fifth is still up in the air. And here is my issue.

One of the teams I bet on this year was the Packers. I thought the 9.5 total was a bit low so I bet them as an over. I thought they were a good bet to win double digit games. Curiously I got this bet down a day before the Micah Parsons trade. So if I had tried to make the exact same bet a few days later the line would have moved or the odds would have changed. So I got lucky there.

But here's the thing. The Packers have nine wins and one tie. For the sake of argument, let's say they lose this coming week to the Vikings. It's possible since the game is essentially meaningless. If they finish the season 9-7-1, is my "over" 9.5 bet considered a "loss" or a "push"? My instinct is that it would be treated as a loss since they didn't actually "win" more than nine games. But I don't know.

Incidentally I have some precedent here because back in 2021, I bet the Bills at "over" 11 wins and they won precisely 11 games. That was considered a push and I got my money back. If that same logic would apply here, I'd get my $25 bet back.

So, is my ticket worthless if the Packers lose or will it simply bring me the original face value back?

What I think I'm going to do anyway is to bet a small amount (maybe ten bucks) on the Vikings on the money line. That way I'll be guaranteed to turn a profit on the entire venture, which was the objective in the first place.

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I have a question for folks who are experienced with sports betting. (@we_gotta_believe might know something.) I know a little but am not that experienced. Nor do I want to be. What I like to do every year is make over/under bets on win totals of eight teams. I use some mathematical formulas that I apply and pick the four teams that I think are most overvalued and four teams that are most undervalued. So I bet $25 on four teams to win "over" and four teams to win "under" their respective totals. My objective is to simply win five of the eight bets, which should assure me a modest profit. I do this for fun and to test my mathematical principles.

At this point, I have four guaranteed winners (worth $198.50) and three guaranteed losers. The fifth is still up in the air. And here is my issue.

One of the teams I bet on this year was the Packers. I thought the 9.5 total was a bit low so I bet them as an over. I thought they were a good bet to win double digit games. Curiously I got this bet down a day before the Micah Parsons trade. So if I had tried to make the exact same bet a few days later the line would have moved or the odds would have changed. So I got lucky there.

But here's the thing. The Packers have nine wins and one tie. For the sake of argument, let's say they lose this coming week to the Vikings. It's possible since the game is essentially meaningless. If they finish the season 9-7-1, is my "over" 9.5 bet considered a "loss" or a "push"? My instinct is that it would be treated as a loss since they didn't actually "win" more than nine games. But I don't know.

Incidentally I have some precedent here because back in 2021, I bet the Bills at "over" 11 wins and they won precisely 11 games. That was considered a push and I got my money back. If that same logic would apply here, I'd get my $25 bet back.

So, is my ticket worthless if the Packers lose or will it simply bring me the original face value back?

What I think I'm going to do anyway is to bet a small amount (maybe ten bucks) on the Vikings on the money line. That way I'll be guaranteed to turn a profit on the entire venture, which was the objective in the first place.

Should be a push and you get your wager back. It’s not a loss since it’s not either under or over.

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Should be a push and you get your wager back. It’s not a loss since it’s not either under or over.

9 would be under 9.5, IMO

Throughout this season I have been struggling to find an analogy for this team and offense in particular. I think I finally have it.

The 2025 Eagles Offense is a boxer that holds the belt (think Canelo, Mayweather etc) who is waiting for the real challenge to his championship. Think of regular season opponents as low ranked opponents. The champ throws some punches early, looks good, shows he is superior and gets up on the cards. Then he just tries to hold on for the decision. Clutching, hugging, throwing ineffective body blows (non productive runs into stacked boxes) and using defense to avoid taking a big knock out hit (turnovers, big plays). Again, just trying not to lose. Now, the question is whether the talented champ who has done that for several fights can all of a sudden turn on his killer instinct for the whole fight to beat the top ranked challengers when the belt is on the line.

The champ has a new rookie trainer in the corner (Patullo) who is not quite sure how to manage a championship fighter. Sometimes he lets the tiger out the cage and sometimes he ties his hand behind his back. The boxer has the ability to inflict devastating damage in numerous ways but the trainer hasnt figured out how to put those punches together into a coherent plan. The champ has stretches where he puts it together but really has not fought a complete fight in several bouts.

We will see whether the champ can overcome the disadvantage of the inexperienced trainer and the malaise that he has brought to return to championship form. Thats the 2025 Eagles.

Only 2-5 Eagles games left. Another season gone by too quickly.

Hope we get to see McKee start on Sunday. Want to see the Mormon missile light up the skins.

… and I want to see perhaps a real nfl offense.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Someone in the building likes routes where the receiver is standing still or running downfield. 🤔

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Someone in the building likes routes where the receiver is standing still or running downfield. 🤔

But oddly only this year...