8 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Have we been given the fresh ideas line yet?

I will never understand the logic of promoting an internal coach to OC that has never called plays while the team is in a SB window. The starting offense only eclipsed 200 yards passing 8 times all season, and only twice did they go over 200 passing and 100 rushing.

In case anyone wasn't aware by now that was basically the Eagles' front office gift to Sirianni as a reward for winning the Super Bowl. It gave Sirianni a chance to put in "one of his guys" - better securing his status within the team.

Now that it has become what it is - a disaster - it doesn't bode well for either Sirianni or anyone else on his coaching staff, imo.

1 minute ago, shlo said:

I'd have to imagine that dropping weight and being in better shape could help. Maybe not. But it's something he can control.

I have really bad knees, have my whole life, I weigh 155 pounds, I tore up my knee when I was 29 and its never been the same nor has my body.

If I went and lost 20 pounds and got shredded my knees would still really hurt because losing weight doesnt re grow cartilage.

Sure losing weight can alleviate some pain but again dickerson didnt suck this year because hes fat, his knees dont hurt because hes fat, he sucked and his knees hurt because his knees are chronically destroyed.

Ive dealt with bad knees since I was twelve, ive dislocated my knee cap 6 times, 4 times on the right 2 times on the left, my cartilage is minimal at best and once you lose that its gone, losing weight can help alleviate some of the pain of bone on bone friction but losing weight isnt bringing landons knees back.

He doesnt move like he used to, he plays stiff and upright has zero explosion left and thats not because hes fat its because hes a broken player with broken knees who like me is probably in constant pain and all I do is type long diatribes on message boards😁

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

The problem, as you said is the cap hit. Spotrac has us at ~22mm in offseason cap space (based on top 51), and cutting Michael Carter gets that to just under $31mm. Setting aside ~$5.7mm for the draft picks, we are left with $25.2 million. I think we can save ~$7.2mm by extending JD, so that gets you back to $32mm, and Howie will want to carry at least $5mm into the season, so back to $27mm. With that, we need a TE, CB, S and tons of depth (we have less than 40 players under contract next year). Trading AJ before June 1 is basically impossible -- it's ~$20.2mm in an incremental cap hit, and now you need another starting WR and only have ~$7mm in cap space. Even that $6mm hit for Jake is a problem unless you make him a post June 1 cut.

We have no cap flexibility to take dead money hits in 2026.

Mend the AJ Brown situation. They are stuck with him.

13 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's legitimately not even close. I was wondering if maybe it'd be a little elementary but...

I'm sorry, it's definitely at least an average scheme from what I saw. 

Maybe hear me out in 2021 an 2022 when the offense had good passing schemes that were functional and good, Shane Steichen was there. In 2023 when things start we going south (and it did outside of the cardinals game after the 10-1 start— heck passing game was awful in the jets game and they were down their entire secondary)and then their passing game was inconsistent and ranked 30th in 2024. Then not good in 2025.

Instead of Siriainni being able to go back to his well, like in 2021 and 2022 after Shane Steichen left, the passing offense has gotten worse. So I could make the argument that once Shane left the passing offense has gotten worse almost each consecutive year. At least in 2024 you could say they were efficient. However, the passing game and the concepts once Shane Steichen left have become stale and predictable over the last 3 years.

So we can blame it on Jalen hurts. I have no problem with that. I said in the past, he has flaws and he is limited in what he could do. If he’s not gonna run, it becomes an even bigger problem for this offense. He has his own set of problems that need to be discussed. Because I don’t think you’re ever maximizing AJ Brown, Devonta Smith, goedert, Barkley in the pass game because of his flaws and warts as well. So he’s not absolved from blame in this offensive shitshow.

however, Nick Sirianni and the passing offense has not been able to functionally work as a consistent unit since Steichen left and gotten worse over time. I think that’s more damning than anything. You’re watching stuff from 2021 with Steichen. I’d go from 2023 onward after he left. can tell me well that was the only time sirianni was calling plays and the offense looked like that but I would argue from the time he gave up play calling to Shane Steichen until Steichen left the offense got better over time. Since he left it’s gotten worse. It on Jalen, those OCs and your HC

Also, we don’t have the facts to say how much of an influence Steichen was on the game plan when Nick was calling the plays. I can tell you this though when watching the Colts and when they try to use Anthony Richardson early in steichen’s HC career, their was designed very similar similarly to what the Eagles were doing in 2021 and 2022. Meanwhile, since he left in 2023, the Eagles pass concepts and offense has really not looked like that since then. Interesting how that works. It could also be Steichen was a bigger cog in the sirianni system which was kind of like Reich was a bigger cog then people wanted to admit in Doug’s system.

52 minutes ago, Lambo said:

They also ran when they had to.

Herbert is running himself into the hospital. Maye won't be far behind.

All that running and they scored less than the Eagles did.

Maye deserves some leeway because he's younger but I'm so sick of everyone fawning over Herbert when he's the AFC Dak Prescott. But he's a "real QB" I guess

I've been feeling this for a while, but a massive shakeup is needed. The defense has carried us for 2 straight years. Our best players on that side of the ball are all-pro level players (Carter, DeJean, Quinyon). That doesn't include above average players in Jordan Davis and Zack Baun. The defense can continue to carry us, BUT will get expensive.

As such, we need to get cheaper on offense. I would honestly trade both AJ and Jalen, fire Nick and rebuild the offense with younger, faster talent. Jalen is a player who does not elevate, but you can win with...well, if we're rebuilding on offense that doesn't work. AJ wants to leave, and NOW is the time to sell-high. Nick, well, it's time because you decide to waste this season on your BFF.

Give McKee the reigns. Use draft picks on OL, TEs and ONE WR with speed (something we don't have) and build this the right way. Do we take a step back in 2026? Maybe. But we can NOT run it back under any circumstances.

Just now, RLC said:

. But we can NOT run it back under any circumstances.

There's next to a zero chance this team is running anything back. This off-season could be as dramatic as the off season after the Chip Kelly era - this is how bad I think the Eagles brass feels about their coaching/personnel at this time. Just a guess but we might see some fireworks this off season.

35 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Need to move up higher and go grab Caleb downs

Why don't we move downs and draft Caleb Higher? Huh? You ever think about that?

Sorry I'm struggling this morning

Just now, Ace Nova said:

There's next to a zero chance this team is running anything back. This off-season could be as dramatic as the off season after the Chip Kelly era - this is how bad I think the Eagles brass feels about their coaching/personnel at this time. Just a guess but we might see some fireworks this off season.

This is what I want if I’m being honest. There’s no easy way around it. There’s too much bloat on offense. I’m using some expiring contracts on defense as trade bait while trying to retain the key players.

It won’t be easy, but it’s needed.

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's going to be interesting to see what they do with Jake Elliott. This is the second year in a row he's struggled at stretches of the season. Like Graham, love him for being clutch in the 2 SB wins. But it's probably time to go. The issue is cutting him is over $6M in dead money. He's also pretty clearly one of the "franchise guys" on the team.

What they do with him might be a peek into what their off-season plan is. If they keep him around, it's probably going to be more of the same. If they move on from him, they might feel more of an overhaul is needed than just a tweak here and there.

Get the kid from Georgia

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Maybe theres a point between sucks and average. Hurts belongs there. Below average.

Hurts is a below average passer. In stretches, he sucks as a passer. In others, he can look average to slightly above. But he’s generally settled right in there as a below average passer.

His running, even keel, and tush push abilities make him dynamic and bump him up a level…but all of those things took a step back this year and are not things that age well.

Running doesn’t just come back to a 28 year old qb who doesn’t want to get hurt.

There are so many Hurts defenders (and that’s fair I understand that). But EVERYONE acknowledges that pure passing ain’t his thing. And his lack of running is also indisputable. So we are left with a below average passer that only passes….aka a below average qb.

We have a qb problem.

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Herbert is running himself into the hospital. Maye won't be far behind.

All that running and they scored less than the Eagles did.

Maye deserves some leeway because he's younger but I'm so sick of everyone fawning over Herbert when he's the AFC Dak Prescott. But he's a "real QB" I guess

Man for man, there is not a player the Chargers have had on offense that you would trade the Eagle at the same position for.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

This is what I want if I’m being honest. There’s no easy way around it. There’s too much bloat on offense. I’m using some expiring contracts on defense as trade bait while trying to retain the key players.

It won’t be easy, but it’s needed.

Think about it - when was the last time Lurie spoke to a highly controversial player (at the time AJ Brown) and basically told him, "You don't have anything to apologize about".

When the owner does that in a public setting for everyone to see - that should be a sign of things to come. Just a guess.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Get the kid from Georgia

Unfortunately, I think he's going back to school - big story yesterday.

2 minutes ago, tuffstuff07 said:

A bit surprised to see him get head coaching job offers I figured he would be a oc again this coming year

He has experience as a head coach. The Washington offense wasn't terrible this season despite the injuries to Daniels. Lamar would be a good fit for his scheme.

1 minute ago, Lambo said:

Man for man, there is not a player the Chargers have had on offense that you would trade the Eagle at the same position for.

Maybe we can bring Bechton back. he was miles better than Steen and he could also kick out to tackle. Plus he's only been gone one year so he couldn't have forgot that much

This team isn't changing much for the 2026 season. They are locked in for the most part and need to ride with what they got. The 2027 off-season is a different story.

The Lane Johnson situation is the difficult part. Is he going to play another year? How many games are the Eagles going to have him for? Do they like Cameron Williams enough to be the "full-time" backup, or do they bring someone else in?

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Maybe hear me out in 2021 an 2022 when the offense had good passing schemes that were functional and good, Shane Steichen was there. In 2023 when things start we going south (and it did outside of the cardinals game after the 10-1 start— heck passing game was awful in the jets game and they were down their entire secondary)and then their passing game was inconsistent and ranked 30th in 2024. Then not good in 2025.

Instead of Siani being able to go back to his well, like in 2021 in 2022 after Shane Staton left, the passing offense has gotten worse. So I could make the argument that once Shane Steen left the passing offense has gotten worse almost each consecutive year. At least in 2024 you could say they were efficient. However, the passing game and the concepts once Shane Steichen left have become stale and predictable over the last 3 years.

So we can blame it on Jalen hurts. I have no problem with that. I said in the past, he has flaws and he is limited in what he could do. If he’s not gonna run, it becomes an even bigger problem for this offense.

however, Nick Sirianni and the passing offense has not been able to functionally work as a consistent unit since Steichen left and gotten worse over time. I think that’s more damning than anything. You’re watching stuff from 2021 with Steichen. I’d go from 2023 onward after he left. can tell me well that was the only time he was calling plays and the offense looked like that but I would argue from the time he gave up play calling to Shane Steichen until Steichen left the offense got better over time

Also, we don’t have the facts to say how much of an influence Steichen was on the game plan when Nick was calling the plays. I can tell you this though when watching the Colts and when they try to use Anthony Richardson early in steichen’s HC career, their was designed very similar similarly to what the Eagles were doing in 2021 and 2022. Meanwhile, since he left in 2023, the Eagles offense has really not looked like that since then. Interesting how that works

This kind of feels like the same argument that people made about how Doug was carried by Reich until Reich also flamed out, that was made with very little real proof.

Like...he was spending most of his time all year staring at the call sheet. The playbook was still there. You seriously think that he just...magically forgot what concepts are and directed Patullo to remove all of them because he felt like that's the evolution of his offense? And you think that even in 2021 while Sirianni was mentioned to have control of the offense (they talked about just how much control he had actually, and how they really had to push him to give up play calling), he just didn't do anything?

I think this is influenced by Hurts, just like has been said more and more. Like I said, something isn't right in that building at all.

11 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The problem, as you said is the cap hit. Spotrac has us at ~22mm in offseason cap space (based on top 51), and cutting Michael Carter gets that to just under $31mm. Setting aside ~$5.7mm for the draft picks, we are left with $25.2 million. I think we can save ~$7.2mm by extending JD, so that gets you back to $32mm, and Howie will want to carry at least $5mm into the season, so back to $27mm. With that, we need a TE, CB, S and tons of depth (we have less than 40 players under contract next year). Trading AJ before June 1 is basically impossible -- it's ~$20.2mm in an incremental cap hit, and now you need another starting WR and only have ~$7mm in cap space. Even that $6mm hit for Jake is a problem unless you make him a post June 1 cut.

We have no cap flexibility to take dead money hits in 2026.

What happens if they decide to trade AJ post June 1st? What does it look like and could a restructure of AJ's contract help?

10 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Herbert is running himself into the hospital. Maye won't be far behind.

All that running and they scored less than the Eagles did.

Maye deserves some leeway because he's younger but I'm so sick of everyone fawning over Herbert when he's the AFC Dak Prescott. But he's a "real QB" I guess

I'm looking forward to seeing that team with Alt and Slater back.

15 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

A lot will depend on what his true size is and how he tests. I’m trying to talk him down to pick 23!

I think hed be a steal there and again like you say a lot is going to come down to testing and what his height weight length and athletic numbers are

Hes listed at 6'3 250 but if combine shows him to be 6'1" and 235 thatll drop him.

He looks pretty long on tape but maybe its the black jerseys😁

5 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Man for man, there is not a player the Chargers have had on offense that you would trade the Eagle at the same position for.

I'd take Joe Alt or Rashawn Slater for Lane Johnson.

14 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Can they bring in a WR coach to teach how to run a scramble drill?

that has baffled me for years. It seems like early on the WRs were taught to block for Hurts. These days he runs a lot less and it often seems like they arent sure if they should block, or break off their routes and just get open.

I always wished we could run the russell wilson offense when Hurts is on the run and we could just have someone break open deep on the scramble drill all the time like Wilson always got.

Hurts didnt used to keep his eyes down field when he scrambled though. And now, we still just dont have our WRs running an effective scramble drill.

They drafted Hurts thinking he was their version of Wilson, and they never actually copied the thing about Wilson's game that made him so good. Scramble drills were how he made his living in the NFL.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

I've been feeling this for a while, but a massive shakeup is needed. The defense has carried us for 2 straight years. Our best players on that side of the ball are all-pro level players (Carter, DeJean, Quinyon). That doesn't include above average players in Jordan Davis and Zack Baun. The defense can continue to carry us, BUT will get expensive.

As such, we need to get cheaper on offense. I would honestly trade both AJ and Jalen, fire Nick and rebuild the offense with younger, faster talent. Jalen is a player who does not elevate, but you can win with...well, if we're rebuilding on offense that doesn't work. AJ wants to leave, and NOW is the time to sell-high. Nick, well, it's time because you decide to waste this season on your BFF.

Give McKee the reigns. Use draft picks on OL, TEs and ONE WR with speed (something we don't have) and build this the right way. Do we take a step back in 2026? Maybe. But we can NOT run it back under any circumstances.

Hurts had a trash OC this year who did not bring out the best in him. I'm not a fan of his at all, but a good OC would have won the SB this year even with him.

IF the reports are true he was a bit of a diva in terms of not wanting to run stuff he needs to go in the next few years. He is either slowing down or unable to run. Both are problems, but he has a massive cap hit if traded this offseason. They do need to eventually move on like Seattle did with Wilson, though.

I'd be good with them rebuilding the OL, keeping DG for a year until they can find another option, and running it back one more year with a really good OC. Howie has the picks to get the rebuild in motion while also being in a good spot to win next year.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Maybe hear me out in 2021 an 2022 when the offense had good passing schemes that were functional and good, Shane Steichen was there. In 2023 when things start we going south (and it did outside of the cardinals game after the 10-1 start— heck passing game was awful in the jets game and they were down their entire secondary)and then their passing game was inconsistent and ranked 30th in 2024. Then not good in 2025.

Instead of Siani being able to go back to his well, like in 2021 in 2022 after Shane Staton left, the passing offense has gotten worse. So I could make the argument that once Shane Steen left the passing offense has gotten worse almost each consecutive year. At least in 2024 you could say they were efficient. However, the passing game and the concepts once Shane Steichen left have become stale and predictable over the last 3 years.

So we can blame it on Jalen hurts. I have no problem with that. I said in the past, he has flaws and he is limited in what he could do. If he’s not gonna run, it becomes an even bigger problem for this offense.

however, Nick Sirianni and the passing offense has not been able to functionally work as a consistent unit since Steichen left and gotten worse over time. I think that’s more damning than anything. You’re watching stuff from 2021 with Steichen. I’d go from 2023 onward after he left. can tell me well that was the only time he was calling plays and the offense looked like that but I would argue from the time he gave up play calling to Shane Steichen until Steichen left the offense got better over time

Also, we don’t have the facts to say how much of an influence Steichen was on the game plan when Nick was calling the plays. I can tell you this though when watching the Colts and when they try to use Anthony Richardson early in steichen’s HC career, their was designed very similar similarly to what the Eagles were doing in 2021 and 2022. Meanwhile, since he left in 2023, the Eagles offense has really not looked like that since then. Interesting how that works

Siri didn't have much experience calling plays. In Indy, Reich called the plays and they had Andrew Luck at QB. In San Diego, he didn't call plays except some preseason practice and he had Philip Rivers who was already an established passer. Rivers numbers were consistent most of his career, and Siri being with him didn't change that.

Everyone criticized Siri as play caller to start 2021 especially not running the ball. Steichen took over and the offense went better.

People have said the offense looked different from Steichen to Johnson to Moore and Patullo. If Siri had an offense, it would be similar.

What has Siri done since Steichen left to contribute to the offense? To fix and address the issues? This was the worst OC in his tenure, what did he do this whole season? At some point the Head Coach CEO has to make changes, make CEO decisions. Bring in a consultant, fire/demote the OC, take over play calling, insist on changes.

You can't blame Hurts for Nick holding back this wonderful offensive scheme, that's silly. The Head Coach for 5 years has allowed the team to be held back because of the QB??? He was MVP runner up in 2022. In 2023 he had higher passing numbers in several stats, but the INTs were killer. If the 2023 offense had the 2024 or 2025 defense they would not have collapsed.

The pass game struggled last year but they had a dominant run game and Siri was scared to death of turnovers. He made turnovers his top priority. Hurts and other players have complained about the coaching too conservative.

I do not buy that Nick Sirianni has this magical, successful offensive scheme that he has been sitting on and despite the collapse in 2023, the pass struggles in 2024 and the total epic failure this season he's just like nah, I can't pull out my genius offense because the QB can't run it.

That makes no logical sense. The reality is Nick had Rivers and Luck and didn't call plays. Now he has Hurts and needs an OC who coaches to his strengths, and Hurts has regressed as a runner which takes away his dual threat. They're stuck with Hurts at least another year so they need an OC who will coach to the roster's strengths until they're able to change the QB.