8 minutes ago, MrFadedGlory said:

Harbaugh HC

McDaniel OC

Problems solved

I’m good on Harbaugh

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Daboll

I think he has the Hurts relationship and cred from Buffalo tho I'm not sure how well his temperament would mesh

Time to move on from Goedert. He isn’t the same level of receiving TE as he used to be and his blocking skills have eroded to the point he is no longer a two-way player.

Would Lurie/Howie realistically bring in an OC with thoughts that he could potentially replace Siri if fired? Or just bring in a competent OC and risk him leaving after a year for another job?

Do they worry about personality and leadership styles clashing? I feel like Daboll and Siri would have weekly fist fights.

Being in a bad scheme can demoralize guys and make a lot of guys look bad. Would not be surprised to see anyone who was in the offense this season and ends up on a new team next season go on to play well and it makes us even angrier about this season's offense. But I they have to go cheaper somewhere and I think TE and starting to find younger and cheaper OL is a good place to start.

@DaEagles4Life How's that energy today? You still feeling good about your boy Hurts or what? I forgot, you pick a team or player and when they stink, you disappear and move on the next player/team.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Time to move on from Goedert. He isn’t the same level of receiving TE as he used to be and his blocking skills have eroded to the point he is no longer a two-way player.

I really want an OC who will look for more of a pure receiving TE. And while Goedert may still be an excellent WR and we just wouldnt know it with Hurts Im fine moving on at his age, and propensity for missing weeks of the season.

Childhood Topps baseball card collector would be thrilled knowing Don Mattingly was a part of the Phillies.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

My point in all that was nick’s 2021 and 2022 where his offense got better and better over time is similar to Doug with Reich. Doug and Frank just meshed together very well and make to maximize each other’s ability. Once that left the building Doug was never able to get back to that height. That’s not Reich was the mastermind behind it all. It’s Doug needed someone like Reich to maximize his strengths and abilities. Cause by himself without that person he was not the same coach. He showed that after 2017 as he never truly got back to an offense that was like that in Philly or Jacksonville

Right and Doug called plays and it still fell apart. It's hard to get everything right and keep it right. McVay is really smart and has had a lot of talent and he's won once. Shanahan has never won. That's not an excuse. The Eagles need a new OC and a new system but there's no formula that has proven to work other than having the best QB in the league tends to be the top criteria most of the time

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think he has the Hurts relationship and cred from Buffalo tho I'm not sure how well his temperament would mesh

Don't care about that. Honestly, I want coaches who don't baby these players too much, if anything. They are undisciplined, they need someone to get on their asses like Fangio does on his defense.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Would Lurie/Howie realistically bring in an OC with thoughts that he could potentially replace Siri if fired? Or just bring in a competent OC and risk him leaving after a year for another job?

Do they worry about personality and leadership styles clashing? I feel like Daboll and Siri would have weekly fist fights.

I think they did that with Moore.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

I really want an OC who will look for more of a pure receiving TE. And while Goedert may still be an excellent WR and we just wouldnt know it with Hurts Im fine moving on at his age, and propensity for missing weeks of the season.

Kenyon Sadiq would be damn intriguing.

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

That play worked once, maybe twice with Goedert - and when it did, it wasn't against cover 4. Wrong play to call - especially after a timeout. If you don't understand that - go join Patullo's crew in the soon to be unemployment line.

Yup 4 verts against cover 4 is a failure before the snap and its not like the niners D was disguising what they were doing.

Im not sure what a good call on 4th n 11 is against cover 4, my initial thought would be dont get in 4th and 11 make the down more manageable, my second thought is I dont get paid to call that play but the Dudes that do failed miserably.

I think the best option on the play was smitty but it was a real tight window on a windy day that required perfect timing and anticipation all things Hurts struggles with but I would have taken my chances there rather than throwing it to goedert in quadruple coverage...

Just now, bpac55 said:

Kenyon Sadiq would be damn intriguing.

yeah but Im not really in to first round TEs.

Id actually be ok with trying Pitts if he is cheaper than Goedert. And drafting someone a bit later.

I also think Calc is a fine #2 as a pure receiving TE. He has made plenty of plays in the passing game in previous seasons. Patullo's insistence on using him as a run blocker built a lot of ill will against him this year.

Stop worrying that a great OC would leave and worry more about getting a great OC and give him the authority to hire great people so that you have an OC in waiting if all goes well. Quite frankly I'm fine with going to the SB every other year and losing OCs. That's better than every other team is doing right now

If someone is looking for an offensive version of Fangio, as in someone who most likely won’t be looking for a HC job and would bring some stability to the position, then Monken is probably the best bet. He might not be the best out there, but if you bring in McDaniel, Daboll, Stefanski (who is probably going to get another HC job this cycle so probably not a realistic option), then we’re dealing with the same problem next year if the offense improves.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Yup 4 verts against cover 4 is a failure before the snap and its not like the niners D was disguising what they were doing.

Im not sure what a good call on 4th n 11 is against cover 4, my initial thought would be dont get in 4th and 11 make the down more manageable, my second thought is I dont get paid to call that play but the Dudes that do failed miserably.

I think the best option on the play was smitty but it was a real tight window on a windy day that required perfect timing and anticipation all things Hurts struggles with but I would have taken my chances there rather than throwing it to goedert in quadruple coverage...

Maybe its because of who our QB is but I think the fans here made far too big a deal about the wind the last bunch of weeks.

Terry Bradshaw wanted to see them sling it. Erin Andrews said I dont know how thats possible Terry. And he basically called BS. Then, Tom Brady gave a lesson on cutting the wind up in the booth during the game.

You can still throw in the wind.

So, I'm going to reply to this in parts because it's easier since I need to go soon.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The proof is Doug went to Jacksonville and couldn’t replicate what he did in 2017. what more proof do you need? With Frank Reich he did his best coaching job. After Reich left, he consistently got worse each year. And then he went to another job in Jacksonville and the same thing happened. He got worse every year. At some point in tim yeah either just don’t wanna believe it or you just wanna make excuses for people you like.

First of all on this, I'm not really even a Doug fan, his Press Taylor stuff really got on my nerves.

Second of all, this logic is actually abysmal. Neither of them replicated anything close to 2017, and both of them clearly struggled. Then Reich went somewhere else (which was on the same level as Jacksonville as an organization) and struggled more. How does both of them getting significantly worse prove one was carried by the other?

I like Frank MORE, I just think that logic makes no sense.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Furthermore, I’ve said in the past that there is a strained relationship between Jalen hurts and Nick. Frankly, I don’t think Jalen hurts really likes Nick Sirianni. I said that in 2023 and last year even when things were going well. They made this whole BS story up about the off-season they were hanging out and they became friends. I still think there is a bad mix between the two.

I don't think he likes him all that much either, but frankly they don't get along schematically either. Nick's from the school of drop back passers. Jalen's from the school of please god don't do that. Problems both in relationship and schematic fit.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I didn’t say he didn’t do anything. I think you’re avoiding the elephant in the room that Shane Steichen had a bigger role than you want to admit in the offense looking that way. Let me just point this out Jalen hurts has his flaws. He is a flawed quarterback. However when Shane was here, they magically maximize Jalen hurts and the passing game in 2022. Since he left Nick Sirianni, who is the grand architect of 2021 and 2022 based off what you’re telling me has not been able to do that. So it leaves more to the theory that Shane Steichen was more important than what you’re willing to give him for the success they had in the passing game. but now since he left, it’s not the true Nick Sirianni‘s passing game concepts.

I didn't even make a statement about 2022 at all. I specifically was talking about the period of 2021 from before Sirianni gave up play-calling because it's the most reliable indicator of what they wanted to do before anyone else had any clear power, or influence, or there was any demand to tailor to the QB (as him being the guy wasn't even a sure thing yet).

I don't recall saying Steichen was unimportant during late 2021, and 2022, can you point out to me where exactly I said that? I'm pretty sure what I said was that the playbook still exists, and knowledge of basic concepts won't suddenly just disappear into thin air.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Nick needed Steichen just like Steichen needed Nick to maximize their abilities. Some people work great together and can do amazing things and brings out the best in each other. Unfortunately since he left the pass offense hasn’t. Which is why I just told you Shane ate i hen was a bigger cog in the system with nick then you’re willing to admit. That’s not saying it was only Shane. It’s telling you he was a bigger fundamental piece that you’re unwilling to admit.

First, the bolded is literally how I feel about Doug and Frank. Secondly, while I acknowledge the rest, since you got the time period I was talking about wrong, which I address in my reply to the last quote, this is kinda null and void. I wasn't even dissing Steichen, I think the concepts got better in 2022 actually, or at least how they were set up for Jalen. All I was saying is that even in early 2021 before he started becoming more CEO style, and when he was calling plays and all that, even when he called way too many pass plays, the Eagles were at the very least, sufficiently using concepts.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

If someone is looking for an offensive version of Fangio, as in someone who most likely won’t be looking for a HC job and would bring some stability to the position, then Monken is probably the best bet. He might not be the best out there, but if you bring in McDaniel, Daboll, Stefanski (who is probably going to get another HC job this cycle so probably not a realistic option), then we’re dealing with the same problem next year if the offense improves.

Hire a worse guy so they don’t leave? I dunno about that strategy. I’d rather just have an NFL offense and see what happens.

We have talked about the same list of OC names that have been fired in the NFL for a few days now.

I havent seen anyone bring any intriguing college names. Anyone out there?

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Stop worrying that a great OC would leave and worry more about getting a great OC and give him the authority to hire great people so that you have an OC in waiting if all goes well. Quite frankly I'm fine with going to the SB every other year and losing OCs. That's better than every other team is doing right now

Yea. Going for a guy just for the stability is tying a hand behind your back, Get whoever is best for the job, period. If we lose that guy to a HC, do it again. Someone that has a great offensive mind with no desire to become HC and move up the ranks is a unicorn that probably doesn't exist.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Part of me is kind of wondering if it would be nice to just cut bait on ALL of the bloated contracts on offense and start anew. That includes AJ Brown, but Id start with Hurts as well, and possibly even Barkley.

Take the bullet on the dead cap and just move on as soon as that clears up a bit.

As of now, maybe you trade AJ, maybe you dont. But you get a new OC and youre still stuck with Hurts tanking his ideas on offense.

Maybe if you load up on draft picks for those guys and consider next year a wash.

But then part of me realizes the offense doesnt need to go from 19PPG to 30PPG. We can go to like 26ppg and probably go damn near undefeated with our defense.

But man... its kinda tempting to just cut all the fat at once, take those lumps, and reload without the constant bickering about Hurts, and is he or his OC more to blame? Or Siri...

@vikas83 Trade Barkley, AJ, and Hurts using pre/post June 1st however it is the most cost effective.

How many of our defenders do we miss out on re-signing? Who else do we stand to lose on offense?

Im sure we will have to part with some talent. But Im already happy to not re-sign Nolan Smith, and I wont mind if they Davis walk either. Im fine letting Goedert go this offseason.

Can we at least keep Mitchell and DeJean? Would money be clearing in time to keep Campbell and Hunt?

I mean, you want to trade Barkley, Hurts and AJ? They'd all have to be post June 1, so you'd be tanking the 2026 and 2027 seasons.

• Trading Hurts post June 1 adds ~$11mm in 2026 cap space, but then you have a $45mm hit in 2027

• Trading AJ after June 1 adds $7mm this year, puts $27mm on 2027

• Trading Barkley post June 1 adds $1.4mm this year, $26.4mm on 2027

So collectively, you save $19mm in 2026 but hit 2027 for just under $100mm. You're basically tanking 2026 and 2027, and your ability to resign guys like Reed, JP and JD is stretched,

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

If someone is looking for an offensive version of Fangio, as in someone who most likely won’t be looking for a HC job and would bring some stability to the position, then Monken is probably the best bet. He might not be the best out there, but if you bring in McDaniel, Daboll, Stefanski (who is probably going to get another HC job this cycle so probably not a realistic option), then we’re dealing with the same problem next year if the offense improves.

No one will ever hire Daboll again as head coach. The dude was screaming at his coaches and was a disaster in NY. Teams would interview Bill Cosby before they interviewed Daboll. I think Monken would have a better chance of being a HC than Daboll.

5 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Right and Doug called plays and it still fell apart. It's hard to get everything right and keep it right. McVay is really smart and has had a lot of talent and he's won once. Shanahan has never won. That's not an excuse. The Eagles need a new OC and a new system but there's no formula that has proven to work other than having the best QB in the league tends to be the top criteria most of the time

Reich and Doug called plays separated and it fell apart. It was always destined to eventually. Just happened sooner than we liked. We only saw them do it together for 2016 and 2017. They won a SB cause they were able to adjust and make it work after wentz went down and maximize foles to the best of his ability. Imo still one of the best coaching jobs I’ve seen considering the time of year wentz got hurt and getting it turned up in the playoffs to another level like prior to wentz injury.

I don’t disagree with you having the best quarterbacks gives you a big upper hand in the NFL. There is no formula. Because you can say I wanna hire this guy who I believe is gonna stay here for a while and that way we have continuity. But then again that guy might get head coaching interviews, and you didn’t think he was going to. We didn’t believe when we hired Frank Reich at 55 that he was going to go and get head coaching interviews. Most people after he left the chargers were out on him.