If you axe Patullo, everyone on the planet makes you better.

If you axe Siri, 5 to 10 guys make you better on offense.

If you trade Hurts and AJ, who the hell makes you better?

Go ahead and trade AJ and Hurts to Indy or Minnesota and watch them win.

Watch the Eagles go back to wildcard or missing the playoffs.

This is what the cult wants?

25 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think he has the Hurts relationship and cred from Buffalo tho I'm not sure how well his temperament would mesh

Coach who acts like a clown and goes after fans

OC who throws chairs in the locker room

What could go wrong?

Just now, SkippyX said:

If you axe Patullo, everyone on the planet makes you better.

If you axe Siri, 5 to 10 guys make you better on offense.

If you trade Hurts and AJ, who the hell makes you better?

Go ahead and trade AJ and Hurts to Indy or Minnesota and watch them win.

Watch the Eagles go back to wildcard or missing the playoffs.

This is what the cult wants?

If you trade Hurts, you get the full effect of the brilliant OC you are about to hire. So you become a lot better.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Coach who acts like a clown and goes after fans

OC who throws chairs in the locker room

What could go wrong?

is there a coach in the world who has not thrown a chair?

11 minutes ago, Miami said:

Some of his reads weren't good and he threw short of the sticks as well. Not awful but he has to make a few plays for us to win and it didn't happen.

I fault Hurst during one critical situation early in the third. They had just picked up a first down with Barkley and short passing. They had the Niners D looking vulnerable. They stopped running a no huddle after first downs for some reason. Things looked really good and for some reason Hurts threw two deep balls on back-back plays...it was totally unnecessary because that was not the kind of game it was going to be...plus the wind. It completely ended the drive and the momentum. I found it to be a pretty defining moment.

24 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Kenyon Sadiq would be damn intriguing.

He will be gone by our pick and I personally am not using the 1st rounder on a TE no matter where we are picking.

Foles was a SB MVP. He could not stay on the field for more than about 10 games in a row.

Wentz played 2017 like an MVP. He could not stay on the field and he was 35-32-1 in Philly.

You think McKee is better than them? Good luck.

Who replaces AJ? The next Freddie Mitchell or Billy McMullen? Dotson?

20 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Maybe its because of who our QB is but I think the fans here made far too big a deal about the wind the last bunch of weeks.

Terry Bradshaw wanted to see them sling it. Erin Andrews said I dont know how thats possible Terry. And he basically called BS. Then, Tom Brady gave a lesson on cutting the wind up in the booth during the game.

You can still throw in the wind.

Obviously. And the wind blows in one direction - and even if it's side to side - there are ways to compensate and adjust. The only deep shot I noticed was the first one to Brown that was affected by the wind.

The second deep shot to Brown - where he was clear as day interfered on - would have been a dime had Brown not been impeded by the DB.

32 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, that's the major part of the problem

It’s a problem if your thesis is that they need to develop young OCs. In fact, I’d argue they need to be running away from the idea of developing young OCs.

If the organization believes in Sirianni the CEO long term, they need to be ok (and not ever budge) with the idea that the offensive staff will turn over regularly with external adds.

Here's my preferred list of OCs:

1. Kingsbury -- I know some people may not like this, but I feel like his offense is a good fit for our personnel, especially at QB. I know the knock on him is the league figures him out, but we saw what he did with lesser talent in Washington. Obviously he wants to be a HC, and this would require a radical change in offensive philosophy (basically scrapping Nick's offense), but it fits Hurts/AJ/Smitty/Barkley well, IMO.

2. Monken -- He's basically coached this style of talent with Baltimore (Lamar and Henry), and we have better receivers. Now, I think he likely goes with Harbuagh, but I'd love to see him work with Jalen and Barkley.

3. Daboll -- He coached Jalen in college, and he was making things happen with Dart in NY. And obviously we saw what he did with Allen (no, I am not saying Jalen is as good).

4. McDaniel -- I really don't see the fit with Jalen.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Obviously. And the wind blows in one direction - and even if it's side to side - there are ways to compensate and adjust. The only deep shot I noticed was the first one to Brown that was affected by the wind.

The second deep shot to Brown - where he was clear as day interfered on - would have been a dime had Brown not been impeded by the DB.

There was also wind in Chicago this weekend and they seem to make their living on intermediate passes. They dont need to keep it all short and less affected by wind. Good offenses dont noticeably skip a beat because of wind.

Eagles fans here freaked out over wind for like 5 weeks straight. Its pathetic. Shouldnt be a thing.

Hurts = not good

Tanner = we don’t know, but can’t be worse

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

How much would your balls feel kicked if we get news soon that Fangio and/or Stoutland are retiring?

I'd have an innie

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

Who replaces AJ? The next Freddie Mitchell or Billy McMullen? Dotson?

No. But an AJ Brown who doesn't want to be here and doesn't go all out on the field is about as good as a Freddie Mitchell or anyone else, for that matter. At least guys like Freddie Mitchell go all out - elevating their game as much as possible when they play (despite not being as talented as AJ Brown). AJ Brown does the opposite, unfortunately.

And maybe a year will make things better - maybe it won't. Do the Eagles take that risk, along with 30+ mil? I doubt it.

My best guess is he is as good as gone - and that has as much to do with him wanting out as anything else.

4 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So, I'm going to reply to this in parts because it's easier since I need to go soon.

First of all on this, I'm not really even a Doug fan, his Press Taylor stuff really got on my nerves.

Second of all, this logic is actually abysmal. Neither of them replicated anything close to 2017, and both of them clearly struggled. Then Reich went somewhere else (which was on the same level as Jacksonville as an organization) and struggled more. How does both of them getting significantly worse prove one was carried by the other?

I like Frank MORE, I just think that logic makes no sense.

I don't think he likes him all that much either, but frankly they don't get along schematically either. Nick's from the school of drop back passers. Jalen's from the school of please god don't do that. Problems both in relationship and schematic fit.

I didn't even make a statement about 2022 at all. I specifically was talking about the period of 2021 from before Sirianni gave up play-calling because it's the most reliable indicator of what they wanted to do before anyone else had any clear power, or influence, or there was any demand to tailor to the QB (as him being the guy wasn't even a sure thing yet).

I don't recall saying Steichen was unimportant during late 2021, and 2022, can you point out to me where exactly I said that? I'm pretty sure what I said was that the playbook still exists, and knowledge of basic concepts won't suddenly just disappear into thin air.

First, the bolded is literally how I feel about Doug and Frank. Secondly, while I acknowledge the rest, since you got the time period I was talking about wrong, which I address in my reply to the last quote, this is kinda null and void. I wasn't even dissing Steichen, I think the concepts got better in 2022 actually, or at least how they were set up for Jalen. All I was saying is that even in early 2021 before he started becoming more CEO style, and when he was calling plays and all that, even when he called way too many pass plays, the Eagles were at the very least, sufficiently using concepts.

The logic isn’t an abysmal. Where did I say Reich carried him? My point was Doug never maximize his coach talent without having him. Proof was after he left he never could. So Reich was a big component in maximizing Doug’s coaching ability to its highest form. And you can say the same thing with Reich. That is not Reich carried him. My point was Doug couldn’t do his job to the best of his ability without him and vice versa. Because doug’s tried to do it without him and he couldn’t. Same for Frank. The proof is there.

Where did I say you brought up 2022? I’m bringing it up because their offense was significantly better in 2022 when Shane had the entire year as the offense coordinate and be a it from start to finish. It’s pretty important because some of those same concepts that the eagles haven’t gone back to frequently enough or haven’t been able to thrive with since he left or not being used properly. Which seems to be maybe Shane Steichen like I said before was a bigger cog than you want to admit in Nick Sirianni’s ability to have maximum success with a pass offense. The reason why I say it that way is because you continually make excuses for what the flaws of Nick Sirianni are and feels very much like you refuse to accept that he has any flaws. Imo kind make up more excuses on this board than some of the people who defend Jalen hurts religiously. And those people deserve to be called out too. So I argue with them when they do it too.

Also feels like you believe the 3-4 games before he turned over play calling to Steichen was what you were gonna see for the rest of the time that he was here. The league makes adjustments to you his playbook. He was always going to have to make changes over time. If you expected him to go 5 years without adding and advancing the playbook, I don’t know what to tell you. That’s not how the NFL works. I think you could have core concepts, but you have to add and build off of those. you think Vic Fangio is not building off his core concepts every year to get better? He definitely is. He gave you new stuff this year that we didn’t see last year.

Furthermore, you’re using a small sample size of what 3-4 games from 2021? Let me also point out this out, Doug in the first four games of Carson wentz everyone one was excited about what the offense brought and what they were trying to do. Lane got suspended and the offense had issues too after. Great coaches evolve over time. They take where they started from and they build off of it. They don’t just use the same thing throughout their career. They are constantly learning, adjusting and building. I cannot say the pass offense has remotely done that since 2022.

The things that get called out in the pass offense are the same things that gotten called out since the beat down they took to the 49ers in 2023. So about 2.5 years we have said the same constant problems with the passing offense still exist. So you’re telling me over 2.5 year Nick Sirianni and Hurts haven’t solved the issue. It’s BOTH of them. Again this isn’t Jalen hurts has no blame. Again he has blame. I have said this in the past. I said it last year. I said it in 2023. However, I’m not blind with loyalty to one said to pretend like one is absolved from blame. Or try to overlook flaws of both of them

** also with Reich head coaching was a weird tenure in Indy. good first year with luck and got to divisional round. Then Andrew luck one week before the season started retired. So he had to find a different quarterback every single year. He had Jacoby Brissett for a year (won more games with him then anyone else). Then had a declined aging Philip rivers for a year, managed to be competitive and make the playoffs. And then he got Carson Wentz, who we had a completely fixed from an abysmal 2020 and couldn’t (yet still average at 9-8). Then he went to Carolina who’s been a dumpster fire of an organization for pretty much the last seven years. So the failures of rake in Indianapolis are more because he played quarterback roulette due to his circumstance where Andrew look unexpectedly retired. Cause I think his coaching career might look a lot differently if that didn’t happen. Again, that does not mean he carried Doug. It means he and Doug meshed very well and worked together very well to being out the best in each other, which ultimately brought out the best in their offense. So proven both didn’t excel within the other and likely needed each other

Just now, Khani1 said:

Hurts = not good

Tanner = we don’t know, but can’t be worse

Tanner is cheap, and if he doesn't work out you draft a QB in 2027; probably the best way to retain the good pieces on the defense.

Not sure if this was posted yet. It has been said for years, and more and more people are seeing it.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Here's my preferred list of OCs:

1. Kingsbury -- I know some people may not like this, but I feel like his offense is a good fit for our personnel, especially at QB. I know the knock on him is the league figures him out, but we saw what he did with lesser talent in Washington. Obviously he wants to be a HC, and this would require a radical change in offensive philosophy (basically scrapping Nick's offense), but it fits Hurts/AJ/Smitty/Barkley well, IMO.

2. Monken -- He's basically coached this style of talent with Baltimore (Lamar and Henry), and we have better receivers. Now, I think he likely goes with Harbuagh, but I'd love to see him work with Jalen and Barkley.

3. Daboll -- He coached Jalen in college, and he was making things happen with Dart in NY. And obviously we saw what he did with Allen (no, I am not saying Jalen is as good).

4. McDaniel -- I really don't see the fit with Jalen.

I like Daboll for scheming but he is just too much of a reactive hothead for my taste. The Eagles culture will not survive the combo Daboll/Sirianni volcanic eruptions...I really want an OC who can possibly slide to HC when Howie and Lurie are ready to wake up.

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

How much would your balls feel kicked if we get news soon that Fangio and/or Stoutland are retiring?

Stoutland wouldn't surprise me having to go through another OC. Fangio would be rough

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Here's my preferred list of OCs:

1. Kingsbury -- I know some people may not like this, but I feel like his offense is a good fit for our personnel, especially at QB. I know the knock on him is the league figures him out, but we saw what he did with lesser talent in Washington. Obviously he wants to be a HC, and this would require a radical change in offensive philosophy (basically scrapping Nick's offense), but it fits Hurts/AJ/Smitty/Barkley well, IMO.

2. Monken -- He's basically coached this style of talent with Baltimore (Lamar and Henry), and we have better receivers. Now, I think he likely goes with Harbuagh, but I'd love to see him work with Jalen and Barkley.

3. Daboll -- He coached Jalen in college, and he was making things happen with Dart in NY. And obviously we saw what he did with Allen (no, I am not saying Jalen is as good).

4. McDaniel -- I really don't see the fit with Jalen.

Quite honestly I think Baltimore's offense sucks. Theyve gone all in on speed WRs to take advantage of Jackson's arm strength. But the only way they consistently move the ball in the passing game is the gigantic catch radius of Likely to snag very inaccurate passes from Jackson, and also Jackson's legs on scrambles.

Maybe Monken gets guys open and Jackson holds the offense back as another poor passing QB. I guess its worth a try.

But we dont have the running QB that makes that offense run as Hurts legs do not equal Jackson's legs. And Hurts doesnt air it out as much as Lamar does, nor does he live in the intermediate area of the field as much as Lamar does.

Monken's system may look better with a QB but we dont have that either.

Im putting Daboll or McDaniel at 1.

Kingsbury

and Monken as #4.

Beyond the cap hit involved, meaning you'd have to wait until after June 1, there's another issue with trading AJ -- he's going to need an extension from the acquiring team. His $29mm for 2026 is guaranteed, but he only has $4mm guaranteed for 2027 (gtees on 3rd day of the league year). Any team trading a premium asset/pick for him will want to know they have him for more than 1 year -- no chance in hell he is reporting to camp in 2027 with only $4mm gteed. But...are guys going to line up to give him a massive extension given his play recently? Is someone trading a premium pick AND handing AJ another 2-3 years guaranteed at ~30mm/year? After that performance, I am skeptical.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

There was also wind in Chicago this weekend and they seem to make their living on intermediate passes. They dont need to keep it all short and less affected by wind. Good offenses dont noticeably skip a beat because of wind.

Eagles fans here freaked out over wind for like 5 weeks straight. Its pathetic. Shouldnt be a thing.

Certainly is a twist on the dome argument... elements went from a homefield advantage to weakness in a season.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'd have an innie

We think we are back in business with a good OC hire, but man what if Fangio is like, Ive had enough.

We are all waiting for the exciting news of Patullo fired, but we might get some other news too. Im scared!

1 minute ago, Lambo said:

Not sure if this was posted yet. It has been said for years, and more and more people are seeing it.

Meh. Shady is likely in some sort of propaganda circle.

Good chance we might see a "Coaching vs Hurts vs AJ Brown" scenario roll out this off season.

So you're telling me Hurts was fine with motion, exotic looks, etc in Kellen Moore's offense (yes, that really happened quite a bit last season, folks!) but all of a sudden he "can't do it anymore"?

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

We think we are back in business with a good OC hire, but man what if Fangio is like, Ive had enough.

We are all waiting for the exciting news of Patullo fired, but we might get some other news too. Im scared!

Stop - I've already had a bad 16hrs.