2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I just thought about this, the last two games where the starting defense played (Buffalo and SF), in the 4 quarter of the last 2 games they gave up 26 points (4 tds) on 6 possessions, 1 punt and a turnover. I think this is less about them not being able to finish and more that I think they began just running out of gas.

The Eagles had a big TOP advantage against the Niners. Defense still let them right down the field to score at the end.

1 hour ago, devpool said:

That's a great way to piss off and/or alienate your entire fanbase, Lurie would never do it. For better or worse, he does care about fan perception to a degree

Considering we have a notoriously overemotional fanbase, it's usually for worse. In this case, I don't like that move either.

2 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

It always amazes me when fans say just do this and that and boom you win the Superbowl.

People keep forgetting to realize that the O-line did not play at the level it did last year. Yes Patullo shouldn't have been OC but just saying that Moore is still here and we win is lazy thinking.

If Moore was still here, whether as OC or HC, maybe we beat SF. Doubt we're beating the Rams and Bears with how the O-line was playing, especially run blocking.

Eagles fans only see coaches as people rather than cogs in a machine when they get past a certain level of perception (in this era, it wasn't always like this). They don't understand things like how if you decided to get rid of him once you won the Super Bowl, you could have caused several people, including Vic, to just outright quit. Imagine being someone who, in a competitive job space, lands exactly what your goal was against the 31 others in the world who could, fending off the thirsty blood suckers. You do exactly what's asked of you, even if the ask is hilariously difficult (to secure your job), and they just tell you 'thanks for that, but nothing was enough, you're fired'.

I'm sure every person here who's suggested that was the answer, would love working for an employer like that.

And no, saying 'for millions of dollars' doesn't help much because most coaches of that caliber will make outstanding money even in towns that don't have that kind of expectation.

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

But he is Nick's friend so....

WTH Jeff and Howie. Meanwhile McD is going to Detroit and will get whatever he wants if he takes the job. No stupid offensive system or philosophy or inept passing coach to take on.

The only nice thing about Mike McDaniel is that there's only two outcomes that come from him. Either he turns Jalen into a QB that can play fundamental football, or Jalen gets exposed for being unable to do so. People talk about easy button plays and you're going to get a lot of them there. If Jalen fails in that kind of system as a passer, there is literally no one else to blame. No one.

That's the good thing.

The bad thing is, likely unpromotable to Head Coach because last time that happened, Vic left, even if you scapegoat Sirianni and try to bring him in via interim.

Well at least we didn't get murdered like the Steelers

So let's say you're hired as oc for the Eagles tomorrow and you have never done the job before. Next season it's pretty clear that other teams are exposing you (you should know). Wouldn't you do everything in your power to learn including asking for help from people that have done your job? Or would you keep on trying the same thing all season, knowing you're headed for a fall at some point?

5 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Chiefs had a bad line and made the SB. They also blocked well yesterday. It's coaching.

I’d also add that they had a future HOF Qb, who made players around him better. He was also clutch when the game was on the line. Gotta give him his props IMO…

There's no way McDaniel would choose to come here under this head coach and his overall offensive philosophies versus going to Detroit and getting free rein, regardless of any potential issues with Fangio.

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I just thought about this, the last two games where the starting defense played (Buffalo and SF), in the 4 quarter of the last 2 games they gave up 26 points (4 tds) on 6 possessions, 1 punt and a turnover. I think this is less about them not being able to finish and more that I think they began just running out of gas.

Imo I think the offensive ineptitude in the games was an issue and hurt them by having to play more snaps. As D gave them a chance to put the game out of reach and couldn’t. But I also think there was a long-term accumulative effect of the defense playing the snaps they did from Green Bay to the Chargers game. At some point it felt like the bears game where offensive ineptitude and accumulation of playing more and more snaps may eventually be their demise.

I think this is an excuse considering the defense just got a bye week AND the offense controlled the ball most of the game.

We all thought we had a Super Bowl defense just like last year. Sadly, we did not.

4 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

I think this is an excuse considering the defense just got a bye week AND the offense controlled the ball most of the game.

We all thought we had a Super Bowl defense just like last year. Sadly, we did not.

I think we all thought we had a better pass rush after trading for Philips, sadly we did not. Our edge rushers are just too inconsistent. Not enough pressure on Purdy with a gimpy T. Williams......I like Philips, but we need someone else opposite of him and I'm not sure N. Smith or J. Hunt provide that consistency. We need a heavier/stronger pusher to compliment Philips.

16 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

I think this is an excuse considering the defense just got a bye week AND the offense controlled the ball most of the game.

We all thought we had a Super Bowl defense just like last year. Sadly, we did not.

I think that most expected more from the D than they were able to give on Sunday. It probably takes a toll when you look at the ineptitude of our offense. There wasn’t much room for error on the defensive side of the ball. I really believed that if we stop the run consistently, we would win easily. Wouldn’t have thought that the D would give up a bunch of long pass plays.

The D-line underperformed and not getting enough pressure on Purdy really hurt us. The thing that irks me the most is that they gave up the lead at the end. That’s when a SB caliber D is supposed to rise up to the moment, just like Hurts failing to rise up on the last drive..

4 hours ago, DaBirds said:

The Eagles had a big TOP advantage against the Niners. Defense still let them right down the field to score at the end.

The Niners possessed the ball for 24:21 and ran only 58 plays. This after we sat most of our starters the week before. We didn’t run out of gas. We just couldn’t rush the passer or stop big plays. The final TD drive, the Niners faced one third down — the TD to CMC. The TD drive before that we had a busted coverage to Juszczyk that went for 27 yards and the 29-yard Jennings TD pass.

35 minutes ago, Maga301 said:

I think we all thought we had a better pass rush after trading for Philips, sadly we did not. Our edge rushers are just too inconsistent. Not enough pressure on Purdy with a gimpy T. Williams......I like Philips, but we need someone else opposite of him and I'm not sure N. Smith or J. Hunt provide that consistency. We need a heavier/stronger pusher to compliment Philips.

Phillips was not impressive IMO. He’s not a difference maker. The guy disappeared way too much for the money he is going to command. I would move on.

I think Jalen Carter was pretty much a shell of himself all season and that really affected the entire DL. He was almost invisible this season minus a handful of snaps per game.

Jordan Davis ended up just falling down on that 3rd down play, too.

They made a really poor decision trading Booker for Jakorian Bennett

Digging deeper, the Eagles defense only played 29 real plays in the second half (I’m not counting the final three kneel downs). In the third quarter they were on the field for 11 plays. 

In the fourth quarter the Niners went:

— 5 plays, 67 yards and a TD (this followed a 10 play TD drive by the Eagles)

— 3 plays, 13 yards ending with the Q pick (following an Eagles 3 and out)

— 10 plays 66 yards (after an Eagles’ 8 play FG drive) 

No. 

5 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Phillips was not impressive IMO. He’s not a difference maker. The guy disappeared way too much for the money he is going to command. I would move on.

I would try and keep Philips, I think he has the potential, other guys need to step up......oddly Jordan Davis had a much better year than Jalen Carter (likely injury related). But our D-Line was a let down in must need moments.

4 hours ago, DaBirds said:

The Eagles had a big TOP advantage against the Niners. Defense still let them right down the field to score at the end.

That was all built up in the first half and started turning even late in the half. The defense was on the field a ton in the second half.

31 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I think Jalen Carter was pretty much a shell of himself all season and that really affected the entire DL. He was almost invisible this season minus a handful of snaps per game.

Jordan Davis ended up just falling down on that 3rd down play, too.

They made a really poor decision trading Booker for Jakorian Bennett

The booker that had 15 tackles, no sacks, 28 assist tackles? That booker? He was a scrub just as much as Bennett

The solution has to be get rid of Sirianni

1 hour ago, Arsenal79 said:

I think this is an excuse considering the defense just got a bye week AND the offense controlled the ball most of the game.

We all thought we had a Super Bowl defense just like last year. Sadly, we did not.

The entire defense didn’t get a bye week. Jordan Davis, hunt, smith still played in that commanders and played a fairly decent amount of snaps. Even a bye week for some of those guys doesn’t take away a 5 week period of time where they had played significantly more snaps than they had too.

As for jaelen Phillips had played 17 consecutive games before that week 18 bye. i don’t think playing 17 weeks in a row is good for any player. I kind of think it’s why he began to see more of a drop off after that chargers game

Can say it is an excuse but the Texans defense (also had some guys rest and pulled in week 18 after halftime) played 1039 defensive snaps. The eagles defense was at 1126. So they played nearly 100 snaps more. Essentially like an extra 2 games comparatively

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The entire defense didn’t get a bye week. Jordan Davis, hunt, smith still played in that commanders and played a fairly decent amount of snaps. Even a bye week for some of those guys doesn’t take away a 5 week period of time where they had played significantly more snaps than they had too.

As for jaelen Phillips had played 17 consecutive games before that week 18 bye. i don’t think playing 17 weeks in a row is good for any player. I kind of think it’s why he began to see more of a drop off after that chargers game

I don’t think fatigue was a factor. The problem is that guys like Shanahan can probe throughout the game and find what works. Conversely, I think our offense has become more gameplan dependent and actually gets worse as they get away from the first 15. The 9ers are pulling out tricks from years ago, meanwhile we’re running the same call 4 times in the last 10 plays.

49 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I think Jalen Carter was pretty much a shell of himself all season and that really affected the entire DL. He was almost invisible this season minus a handful of snaps per game.

Jordan Davis ended up just falling down on that 3rd down play, too.

They made a really poor decision trading Booker for Jakorian Bennett

Really? A really poor decision? It didn't work out but for most of the year Davis, Ojomo and even Byron Young played well. I don't think not having Booker ranks in the top 20 of our problems this season

53 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I think Jalen Carter was pretty much a shell of himself all season and that really affected the entire DL. He was almost invisible this season minus a handful of snaps per game.

Jordan Davis ended up just falling down on that 3rd down play, too.

They made a really poor decision trading Booker for Jakorian Bennett

If moving your 4th DT is a poor decision, your roster has problems.