There's no way McDaniel would choose to come here under this head coach and his overall offensive philosophies versus going to Detroit and getting free rein, regardless of any potential issues with Fangio.

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I just thought about this, the last two games where the starting defense played (Buffalo and SF), in the 4 quarter of the last 2 games they gave up 26 points (4 tds) on 6 possessions, 1 punt and a turnover. I think this is less about them not being able to finish and more that I think they began just running out of gas.

Imo I think the offensive ineptitude in the games was an issue and hurt them by having to play more snaps. As D gave them a chance to put the game out of reach and couldn’t. But I also think there was a long-term accumulative effect of the defense playing the snaps they did from Green Bay to the Chargers game. At some point it felt like the bears game where offensive ineptitude and accumulation of playing more and more snaps may eventually be their demise.

I think this is an excuse considering the defense just got a bye week AND the offense controlled the ball most of the game.

We all thought we had a Super Bowl defense just like last year. Sadly, we did not.

4 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

I think this is an excuse considering the defense just got a bye week AND the offense controlled the ball most of the game.

We all thought we had a Super Bowl defense just like last year. Sadly, we did not.

I think we all thought we had a better pass rush after trading for Philips, sadly we did not. Our edge rushers are just too inconsistent. Not enough pressure on Purdy with a gimpy T. Williams......I like Philips, but we need someone else opposite of him and I'm not sure N. Smith or J. Hunt provide that consistency. We need a heavier/stronger pusher to compliment Philips.

16 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

I think this is an excuse considering the defense just got a bye week AND the offense controlled the ball most of the game.

We all thought we had a Super Bowl defense just like last year. Sadly, we did not.

I think that most expected more from the D than they were able to give on Sunday. It probably takes a toll when you look at the ineptitude of our offense. There wasn’t much room for error on the defensive side of the ball. I really believed that if we stop the run consistently, we would win easily. Wouldn’t have thought that the D would give up a bunch of long pass plays.

The D-line underperformed and not getting enough pressure on Purdy really hurt us. The thing that irks me the most is that they gave up the lead at the end. That’s when a SB caliber D is supposed to rise up to the moment, just like Hurts failing to rise up on the last drive..

4 hours ago, DaBirds said:

The Eagles had a big TOP advantage against the Niners. Defense still let them right down the field to score at the end.

The Niners possessed the ball for 24:21 and ran only 58 plays. This after we sat most of our starters the week before. We didn’t run out of gas. We just couldn’t rush the passer or stop big plays. The final TD drive, the Niners faced one third down — the TD to CMC. The TD drive before that we had a busted coverage to Juszczyk that went for 27 yards and the 29-yard Jennings TD pass.

35 minutes ago, Maga301 said:

I think we all thought we had a better pass rush after trading for Philips, sadly we did not. Our edge rushers are just too inconsistent. Not enough pressure on Purdy with a gimpy T. Williams......I like Philips, but we need someone else opposite of him and I'm not sure N. Smith or J. Hunt provide that consistency. We need a heavier/stronger pusher to compliment Philips.

Phillips was not impressive IMO. He’s not a difference maker. The guy disappeared way too much for the money he is going to command. I would move on.

I think Jalen Carter was pretty much a shell of himself all season and that really affected the entire DL. He was almost invisible this season minus a handful of snaps per game.

Jordan Davis ended up just falling down on that 3rd down play, too.

They made a really poor decision trading Booker for Jakorian Bennett

Digging deeper, the Eagles defense only played 29 real plays in the second half (I’m not counting the final three kneel downs). In the third quarter they were on the field for 11 plays. 

In the fourth quarter the Niners went:

— 5 plays, 67 yards and a TD (this followed a 10 play TD drive by the Eagles)

— 3 plays, 13 yards ending with the Q pick (following an Eagles 3 and out)

— 10 plays 66 yards (after an Eagles’ 8 play FG drive) 

No. 

5 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Phillips was not impressive IMO. He’s not a difference maker. The guy disappeared way too much for the money he is going to command. I would move on.

I would try and keep Philips, I think he has the potential, other guys need to step up......oddly Jordan Davis had a much better year than Jalen Carter (likely injury related). But our D-Line was a let down in must need moments.

4 hours ago, DaBirds said:

The Eagles had a big TOP advantage against the Niners. Defense still let them right down the field to score at the end.

That was all built up in the first half and started turning even late in the half. The defense was on the field a ton in the second half.

31 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I think Jalen Carter was pretty much a shell of himself all season and that really affected the entire DL. He was almost invisible this season minus a handful of snaps per game.

Jordan Davis ended up just falling down on that 3rd down play, too.

They made a really poor decision trading Booker for Jakorian Bennett

The booker that had 15 tackles, no sacks, 28 assist tackles? That booker? He was a scrub just as much as Bennett

The solution has to be get rid of Sirianni

1 hour ago, Arsenal79 said:

I think this is an excuse considering the defense just got a bye week AND the offense controlled the ball most of the game.

We all thought we had a Super Bowl defense just like last year. Sadly, we did not.

The entire defense didn’t get a bye week. Jordan Davis, hunt, smith still played in that commanders and played a fairly decent amount of snaps. Even a bye week for some of those guys doesn’t take away a 5 week period of time where they had played significantly more snaps than they had too.

As for jaelen Phillips had played 17 consecutive games before that week 18 bye. i don’t think playing 17 weeks in a row is good for any player. I kind of think it’s why he began to see more of a drop off after that chargers game

Can say it is an excuse but the Texans defense (also had some guys rest and pulled in week 18 after halftime) played 1039 defensive snaps. The eagles defense was at 1126. So they played nearly 100 snaps more. Essentially like an extra 2 games comparatively

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The entire defense didn’t get a bye week. Jordan Davis, hunt, smith still played in that commanders and played a fairly decent amount of snaps. Even a bye week for some of those guys doesn’t take away a 5 week period of time where they had played significantly more snaps than they had too.

As for jaelen Phillips had played 17 consecutive games before that week 18 bye. i don’t think playing 17 weeks in a row is good for any player. I kind of think it’s why he began to see more of a drop off after that chargers game

I don’t think fatigue was a factor. The problem is that guys like Shanahan can probe throughout the game and find what works. Conversely, I think our offense has become more gameplan dependent and actually gets worse as they get away from the first 15. The 9ers are pulling out tricks from years ago, meanwhile we’re running the same call 4 times in the last 10 plays.

49 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I think Jalen Carter was pretty much a shell of himself all season and that really affected the entire DL. He was almost invisible this season minus a handful of snaps per game.

Jordan Davis ended up just falling down on that 3rd down play, too.

They made a really poor decision trading Booker for Jakorian Bennett

Really? A really poor decision? It didn't work out but for most of the year Davis, Ojomo and even Byron Young played well. I don't think not having Booker ranks in the top 20 of our problems this season

53 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I think Jalen Carter was pretty much a shell of himself all season and that really affected the entire DL. He was almost invisible this season minus a handful of snaps per game.

Jordan Davis ended up just falling down on that 3rd down play, too.

They made a really poor decision trading Booker for Jakorian Bennett

If moving your 4th DT is a poor decision, your roster has problems.

48 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

No. 

I wasn't Monken or bust but it's disappointing to see things moving without Eagles. I have to assume Howie is working behind the scenes but it would be more reassuring to see it actually happening. I still think Kafka is the most Eagles like pick and Kingsbury was close last time

5 hours ago, DaBirds said:

The Eagles had a big TOP advantage against the Niners. Defense still let them right down the field to score at the end.

I viewed this as even if you took that week 18 commanders game off the snap total for some of those eagles defensive players who got rest, the Eagles defense still played more snaps in 16 games then the Houston Texans defense did with 17 games. The problem is all season prior to this game. The Eagles kind of ran their defense into the ground for weeks early in the season and then again for about a month later in the season.

I’d actually point out the last 4 games against playoff teams they kind of had issues getting off field as the game got to the 4th quarter or late in the 4th quarter. Bears, chargers (final drive and overtime drive), bills and niners.

57 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I think Jalen Carter was pretty much a shell of himself all season and that really affected the entire DL. He was almost invisible this season minus a handful of snaps per game.

Jordan Davis ended up just falling down on that 3rd down play, too.

They made a really poor decision trading Booker for Jakorian Bennett

Carter's biggest splash plays all year were personal fouls. He had a Derrick Barnett-like season. I know he's got bad shoulders, but people aren't cutting Dickerson or Jurgens much slack. I would not offer Carter an extension this offseason. If he plays another season like this, he doesn't need to be re-signed. If he has a huge year next year, then he can get his contract.

Most important thing of the offseason is to nail the draft and hire the right OC. Beyond that, I think the most important thing is restraining from spending money. I do not want to see Philips or Goedert re-signed. I do not want to see a big money extension for Carter (I want him extended, but either waiting a year or at a discount considering the 2025 disappointment he's been).

I'd like to see Davis extended though. He transformed the kind of player and quiet leader that he is. You want to set the example of rewarding that.

13 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I don’t think fatigue was a factor. The problem is that guys like Shanahan can probe throughout the game and find what works. Conversely, I think our offense has become more gameplan dependent and actually gets worse as they get away from the first 15. The 9ers are pulling out tricks from years ago, meanwhile we’re running the same call 4 times in the last 10 plays.

I give credit to the niners for making plays. However i think this issue goes back even further. The eagles defense vs. playoff teams starting with the bears game began to have issues in the 4th quarter. Bears scored 2 tds. Chargers moved the ball to get it to overtime and then in overtime (set up game tying FG and what would be game winning FG). Bills scored 2 tds late. Then this niners game. (Could include dallas)

So the defense when the games got to the biggest moment, didn’t do their job. is it scheming very well against them. And/or some of this is the accumulation of the season asking them to continuously come up big playing a conservative offense over the course of a year may eventually is catch up to you in games as your defense is not nearly as effective down the stretch of games.

I put this out there because the Eagles really didn’t have this problem last year when the Eagles offense was able to move the ball. The only game you kind of saw where they had this problem. Late in games was falcons early in the season, commanders game were Jalen hurts got hurt. the Rams playoff game moved the ball, but when they needed to make plays in big spots late in the game, they made them. (Would say ravens but they got up then just went prevent defense and was a garbage time score)

Then again looking more into it the eagles against the chiefs had issues late in the game. Rams moved down the field and we stopped them on a blocked field goal. Broncos in the 4th quarter had success. Gb scored late in the 4th quarter. (I’d say lions but Sirianni) gave them a fg with turnover in downs). So there is the perspective this was an underlying issue all year that in the 4th quarter the defense wasn’t as dominant as the other 3 quarters. Looking at the numbers (excludes the commanders game as not all starters played) they gave up 191 points in quarters 1-3. In 4th quarter and overtime they gave up 124 points

13 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I wasn't Monken or bust but it's disappointing to see things moving without Eagles. I have to assume Howie is working behind the scenes but it would be more reassuring to see it actually happening. I still think Kafka is the most Eagles like pick and Kingsbury was close last time

If the Eagles are thinking about making a move I am sure they’ve put out feelers to agents just in case.

The uncomfortable truth that isn't talked about nearly enough is that this head coach and QB aren't going to work together moving forward. I realize they won a SB together but it took a historic defense, OL, and season from a RB to do so. Bringing in a new OC will help, but unless it is 100% their offense it will only do so much. Also, for as much as people said it was 100% Kellen Moore's offense last season it clearly wasn't. This all brings things back to a simple question. If your head coach isn't a defensive guy, and the team is better off if he isn't involved in the offense at all, what exactly is the point of that head coach.