48 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

No. 

I wasn't Monken or bust but it's disappointing to see things moving without Eagles. I have to assume Howie is working behind the scenes but it would be more reassuring to see it actually happening. I still think Kafka is the most Eagles like pick and Kingsbury was close last time

5 hours ago, DaBirds said:

The Eagles had a big TOP advantage against the Niners. Defense still let them right down the field to score at the end.

I viewed this as even if you took that week 18 commanders game off the snap total for some of those eagles defensive players who got rest, the Eagles defense still played more snaps in 16 games then the Houston Texans defense did with 17 games. The problem is all season prior to this game. The Eagles kind of ran their defense into the ground for weeks early in the season and then again for about a month later in the season.

I’d actually point out the last 4 games against playoff teams they kind of had issues getting off field as the game got to the 4th quarter or late in the 4th quarter. Bears, chargers (final drive and overtime drive), bills and niners.

57 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I think Jalen Carter was pretty much a shell of himself all season and that really affected the entire DL. He was almost invisible this season minus a handful of snaps per game.

Jordan Davis ended up just falling down on that 3rd down play, too.

They made a really poor decision trading Booker for Jakorian Bennett

Carter's biggest splash plays all year were personal fouls. He had a Derrick Barnett-like season. I know he's got bad shoulders, but people aren't cutting Dickerson or Jurgens much slack. I would not offer Carter an extension this offseason. If he plays another season like this, he doesn't need to be re-signed. If he has a huge year next year, then he can get his contract.

Most important thing of the offseason is to nail the draft and hire the right OC. Beyond that, I think the most important thing is restraining from spending money. I do not want to see Philips or Goedert re-signed. I do not want to see a big money extension for Carter (I want him extended, but either waiting a year or at a discount considering the 2025 disappointment he's been).

I'd like to see Davis extended though. He transformed the kind of player and quiet leader that he is. You want to set the example of rewarding that.

13 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I don’t think fatigue was a factor. The problem is that guys like Shanahan can probe throughout the game and find what works. Conversely, I think our offense has become more gameplan dependent and actually gets worse as they get away from the first 15. The 9ers are pulling out tricks from years ago, meanwhile we’re running the same call 4 times in the last 10 plays.

I give credit to the niners for making plays. However i think this issue goes back even further. The eagles defense vs. playoff teams starting with the bears game began to have issues in the 4th quarter. Bears scored 2 tds. Chargers moved the ball to get it to overtime and then in overtime (set up game tying FG and what would be game winning FG). Bills scored 2 tds late. Then this niners game. (Could include dallas)

So the defense when the games got to the biggest moment, didn’t do their job. is it scheming very well against them. And/or some of this is the accumulation of the season asking them to continuously come up big playing a conservative offense over the course of a year may eventually is catch up to you in games as your defense is not nearly as effective down the stretch of games.

I put this out there because the Eagles really didn’t have this problem last year when the Eagles offense was able to move the ball. The only game you kind of saw where they had this problem. Late in games was falcons early in the season, commanders game were Jalen hurts got hurt. the Rams playoff game moved the ball, but when they needed to make plays in big spots late in the game, they made them. (Would say ravens but they got up then just went prevent defense and was a garbage time score)

Then again looking more into it the eagles against the chiefs had issues late in the game. Rams moved down the field and we stopped them on a blocked field goal. Broncos in the 4th quarter had success. Gb scored late in the 4th quarter. (I’d say lions but Sirianni) gave them a fg with turnover in downs). So there is the perspective this was an underlying issue all year that in the 4th quarter the defense wasn’t as dominant as the other 3 quarters. Looking at the numbers (excludes the commanders game as not all starters played) they gave up 191 points in quarters 1-3. In 4th quarter and overtime they gave up 124 points

13 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I wasn't Monken or bust but it's disappointing to see things moving without Eagles. I have to assume Howie is working behind the scenes but it would be more reassuring to see it actually happening. I still think Kafka is the most Eagles like pick and Kingsbury was close last time

If the Eagles are thinking about making a move I am sure they’ve put out feelers to agents just in case.

The uncomfortable truth that isn't talked about nearly enough is that this head coach and QB aren't going to work together moving forward. I realize they won a SB together but it took a historic defense, OL, and season from a RB to do so. Bringing in a new OC will help, but unless it is 100% their offense it will only do so much. Also, for as much as people said it was 100% Kellen Moore's offense last season it clearly wasn't. This all brings things back to a simple question. If your head coach isn't a defensive guy, and the team is better off if he isn't involved in the offense at all, what exactly is the point of that head coach.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I give credit to the niners for making plays. However i think this issue goes back even further. The eagles defense vs. playoff teams starting with the bears game began to have issues in the 4th quarter. Bears scored 2 tds. Chargers moved the ball to get it to overtime and then in overtime. Bills scored 2 tds late. Then this niners game.

So the defense when the games got to the biggest moment, didn’t do their job. is it scheming very well against them. Or some of this is the accumulation of the season asking them to continuously come up big playing a conservative offense over the course of a year may eventually is catch up to you in games as your defense is not nearly as effective down the stretch of games.

I put this out there because the Eagles really didn’t have this problem last year when the Eagles offense was able to move the ball. The only game you kind of saw where they had this problem. Late in games was falcons early in the season, commanders game were Jalen hurts got hurt. the Rams playoff game moved the ball, but when they needed to make plays in big spots late in the game, they made them.

I don't think it's much of a mystery, what do they call it... complementary football or the best defense is a good offense. The 2024 eagles offense would've ran down 9ers throat in the 2nd half, scored touchdowns and shortened the game.

The 2025 eagles defense failed because they couldn't hold a playoff opponent to 17pts or less. If you told me before the game the 9ers would score 24, I figure we'd be in trouble because the 2025 eagles offense is a millstone.

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I give credit to the niners for making plays. However i think this issue goes back even further. The eagles defense vs. playoff teams starting with the bears game began to have issues in the 4th quarter. Bears scored 2 tds. Chargers moved the ball to get it to overtime and then in overtime (set up game tying FG and what would be game winning FG). Bills scored 2 tds late. Then this niners game.

So the defense when the games got to the biggest moment, didn’t do their job. is it scheming very well against them. And/or some of this is the accumulation of the season asking them to continuously come up big playing a conservative offense over the course of a year may eventually is catch up to you in games as your defense is not nearly as effective down the stretch of games.

I put this out there because the Eagles really didn’t have this problem last year when the Eagles offense was able to move the ball. The only game you kind of saw where they had this problem. Late in games was falcons early in the season, commanders game were Jalen hurts got hurt. the Rams playoff game moved the ball, but when they needed to make plays in big spots late in the game, they made them. (Would say ravens but they got up then just went prevent defense and was a garbage time score)

Our late/clutch defense against good teams this year was unacceptable. You can credibly argue the defense choked away all of these games late:

Broncos, Cowboys, Bears, Chargers, 49ers

That's 5 of our 7 losses, not including the Giants loss and the backups against the Commies.

Whether that's a function of a weaker pass rush, instability in the secondary, etc. - it needs to be fixed if we want another title.

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Most important thing of the offseason is to nail the draft and hire the right OC. Beyond that, I think the most important thing is restraining from spending money. I do not want to see Philips or Goedert re-signed. I do not want to see a big money extension for Carter (I want him extended, but either waiting a year or at a discount considering the 2025 disappointment he's been).

I'd like to see Davis extended though. He transformed the kind of player and quiet leader that he is. You want to set the example of rewarding that.

He played well for a few weeks in the beginning and then his gas tank was empty. He seemed to do that a couple of times this season

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

Our late/clutch defense against good teams this year was not good. You can credibly argue the defense choked away all of these games late:

Broncos, Cowboys, Bears, Chargers, 49ers

That's 5 of our 7 losses, not including the Giants loss and the backups against the Commies.

Whether that's a function of a weaker pass rush, instability in the secondary, etc. - it needs to be fixed if we want another title.

I think any conversation about the culpability of the defense is a deflection. This offense was a disgrace, and an embarrassment to watch. Keep the main thing the main thing.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I think any conversation about the culpability of the defense is a deflection. This offense was a disgrace, and an embarrassment to watch. Keep the main thing the main thing.

You won't find anyone defending the inept offense. That doesn't mean the defense was blameless. The front office aren't midwits who can only do one thing at a time.

4 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Our late/clutch defense against good teams this year was unacceptable. You can credibly argue the defense choked away all of these games late:

Broncos, Cowboys, Bears, Chargers, 49ers

That's 5 of our 7 losses, not including the Giants loss and the backups against the Commies.

Whether that's a function of a weaker pass rush, instability in the secondary, etc. - it needs to be fixed if we want another title.

Your going to blame the defense for those 5 losses when the offense averaged 18.2 PPG? Only 5 teams averages less PPG than that this season.

6 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I don't think it's much of a mystery, what do they call it... complementary football or the best defense is a good offense. The 2024 eagles offense would've ran down 9ers throat in the 2nd half, scored touchdowns and shortened the game.

The 2025 eagles defense failed because they couldn't hold a playoff opponent to 17pts or less. If you told me before the game the 9ers would score 24, I figure we'd be in trouble because the 2025 eagles offense is a millstone.

Exactly part of the reason is their complimentary football stunk and it eventually hurt your defense as games wore on. I don’t think it’s a coincidence in some of these games the defense looked great (outside rams game) and then 4th quarter it began breaking down. Some of it is on their own part and not getting off the field. But i don’t believe for a second if they got more help from their inept offense that they’d look better late in games.

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I think any conversation about the culpability of the defense is a deflection. This offense was a disgrace, and an embarrassment to watch. Keep the main thing the main thing.

The people deflecting are the ones saying the defense had no share of the blame for Sunday’s loss. Literally everyone in here agrees the offense sucked so there’s no reason to harp on it.

4 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

You won't find anyone defending the inept offense. That doesn't mean the defense was blameless. The front office aren't midwits who can only do one thing at a time.

Whoa I didn’t say the defense was blameless. They have to do their job and finish out games. I’m trying to find out the answer to why in late game situations their defense started to tail off. can say they just didn’t make plays. That teams adjusted to what Fangio was doing and was able to score.

But when I look at the totality of it, excluding the last commanders game cause they didn’t play all the defensive players that were starters, team scored 191 points to the first 3 quarters of games. In the fourth quarter they scored 124. So an average 11.2 points first 3 quarters. 7.29 in the 4th quarter.

To me, they need to get themselves off the field especially down kittle in that 4th quarter. And make a play to get off the field. However, I Don’t think it’s just that. I think conservative offense where we had halves of 0 completions (twice) and 1 first down or leading the league in 3 and outs helps contribute over time to your defense playing more snaps and wearing out. I kind of viewed it this way, death 1000 paper cuts. Don’t think much of those papercuts until they begin to accumulate more and more

24 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If the Eagles are thinking about making a move I am sure they’ve put out feelers to agents just in case.

I'd really like to see them officially announce Patullo is gone today or tomorrow. I think the optics of waiting are lame. There is no need to be respectful for appearances sake. Quite the opposite. Everyone and their brother knows Patullo was a problem and needs to go.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Yeah that's why there is some time. The dust needs to settle on these HC jobs. Once the dominos start to fall the lower status teams will grab guys you might not expect and those guys are all the OC candidates

27 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I think that applies to the lack of motion and condensed formation. There are issues like the route combinations that were less varied. It's clear there needs to be an outside voice to influence Sirianni. I think there needs to be a discussion about Hurts and whether some of the problems do relate to his lack of willingness to run certain concepts.

38 minutes ago, Cheesteakitis said:

Goedert has a dead cap hit of 20 million if we don’t extend him I think we try our best to work something out.

They may want to keep him but he's a UFA. I am not sure that they can do anything about the dead money with a new contract. It's possible they can do something with an extension.

42 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I wasn't Monken or bust but it's disappointing to see things moving without Eagles. I have to assume Howie is working behind the scenes but it would be more reassuring to see it actually happening. I still think Kafka is the most Eagles like pick and Kingsbury was close last time

I hope that Howie is reaching out to their agents about coming to the Eagles. I also wonder how much the Eagles want an OC that will see this as a stepping off point to a HC position. They may want someone like Frank Reich who is likelier to stay longer term.

Why does KP still have a job?

42 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I give credit to the niners for making plays. However i think this issue goes back even further. The eagles defense vs. playoff teams starting with the bears game began to have issues in the 4th quarter. Bears scored 2 tds. Chargers moved the ball to get it to overtime and then in overtime (set up game tying FG and what would be game winning FG). Bills scored 2 tds late. Then this niners game. (Could include dallas)

So the defense when the games got to the biggest moment, didn’t do their job. is it scheming very well against them. And/or some of this is the accumulation of the season asking them to continuously come up big playing a conservative offense over the course of a year may eventually is catch up to you in games as your defense is not nearly as effective down the stretch of games.

I put this out there because the Eagles really didn’t have this problem last year when the Eagles offense was able to move the ball. The only game you kind of saw where they had this problem. Late in games was falcons early in the season, commanders game were Jalen hurts got hurt. the Rams playoff game moved the ball, but when they needed to make plays in big spots late in the game, they made them. (Would say ravens but they got up then just went prevent defense and was a garbage time score)

Then again looking more into it the eagles against the chiefs had issues late in the game. Rams moved down the field and we stopped them on a blocked field goal. Broncos in the 4th quarter had success. Gb scored late in the 4th quarter. (I’d say lions but Sirianni) gave them a fg with turnover in downs). So there is the perspective this was an underlying issue all year that in the 4th quarter the defense wasn’t as dominant as the other 3 quarters. Looking at the numbers (excludes the commanders game as not all starters played) they gave up 191 points in quarters 1-3. In 4th quarter and overtime they gave up 124 points

The Eagles need a better pass rush in those situations. They just don't have a closer who gets sacks at the end of games and puts teams away.

8 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Chiefs had a bad line and made the SB. They also blocked well yesterday. It's coaching.

Yes coaching is a part of it. I agree.

But for those that keep saying its the same team as last year, its not. Anybody with 2 eyes can see the O-line regressed big time from last year.

Chiefs also had a QB that can make plays out of nothing. They survived on their defense and getting a bunch of lucky late game breaks to win games. When they played the Eagles in the SB, their luck ran out and got smoked.

10 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I'd really like to see them officially announce Patullo is gone today or tomorrow. I think the optics of waiting are lame. There is no need to be respectful for appearances sake. Quite the opposite. Everyone and their brother knows Patullo was a problem and needs to go.

If he’s fired and not demoted, I would assume we hear it today or tomorrow. If he’s being demoted, I think it could be quiet and all of a sudden we’re hearing leaks about OC interviews.

59 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Really? A really poor decision? It didn't work out but for most of the year Davis, Ojomo and even Byron Young played well. I don't think not having Booker ranks in the top 20 of our problems this season

Yes, it was a poor decision to give up a known depth piece for a flyer on a CB who couldn't beat out Kelee Ringo