8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Do they accept a sacrifice of JJAW?

Alshon would be first? Is there a cap hit if he's dead?

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think it depends on if Keenan Allen is brought back for the chargers. They have Mike Williams but after that if Keenan Allen walks they don’t really have much at wide receiver. I can see them go chase if they are ahead of the Eagles. 

Also do you think in hindsight Dallas is kicking themselves right now for taking lamb at 17 meanwhile they might be picking in the top five and have a chance at a even better wide receiver in chase? they didn’t want lamb to fall to the Eagles and they liked him. Meanwhile the Eagles might wind up getting a better wide receiver in the upcoming draft this year because they did that. 

If Howie is still here there is a zero percent chance we pick anyone good so Dallas will likely get both.

6 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Players I think that may be worth trading for a solid pick or two... 

Sanders 

Goedert 

Sweat 

Seumalo 

i wouldn't trade any of them but seumalo if you go OL round 1. IMO sweat get's bigger role since i wouldn't pick up barnett's 5th year option , he's not producing for a #1 which seems to be the story here , is he worth $10 million a year? ertz is the TE out here.

6 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Players I think that may be worth trading for a solid pick or two... 

Sanders 

Goedert 

Sweat 

Seumalo 

You mean our future?

I think you guys are selling Aiyuk short if you think he’s a manufactured touch guy. He’s a great fit for Shanahan not just because of his YAC ability, but also his ability to win on in-cutting routes. Deebo is the real manufactured touch guy. He has 70 air yards on targets all season. Aiyuk has 517. 

44 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

i wouldn't trade any of them but seumalo if you go OL round 1. IMO sweat get's bigger role since i wouldn't pick up barnett's 5th year option , he's not producing for a #1 which seems to be the story here , is he worth $10 million a year? ertz is the TE out here.

Seumalo is on a cheap contract for a starting guard. Our OL has been a disaster. Let’s keep him. 

7 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Players I think that may be worth trading for a solid pick or two... 

Sanders 

Goedert 

Sweat 

Seumalo 

I really hope this is a sarcastic post.

2 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I really hope this is a sarcastic post.

Yeah. What's the point of trading away good young players for unknown draft picks for Howie to botch? What sense does that make? Those players are the core of our rebuild that we need to do next year. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

No brainer. Howie fired. I'd happily pass on an elite talent if it means getting rid of Howie. 

Why not, I mean the team has been passing on elite talent for years with Howie.  

17 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Yeah. What's the point of trading away good young players for unknown draft picks for Howie to botch? What sense does that make? Those players are the core of our rebuild that we need to do next year. 

Well, let's all hope there will be someone new in place... and that the new botches those picks.  That would be a nice change-up.

 

Seriously though... Howie needs to go, and young, cheap players that are still under control for multiple years need to be retained.  Its the geriatric patients that are way more expensive than their production that have to be dealt with... not many will fetch anything in a trade, but they need to get what they can to clear the books as best they can.

30 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think you guys are selling Aiyuk short if you think he’s a manufactured touch guy. He’s a great fit for Shanahan not just because of his YAC ability, but also his ability to win on in-cutting routes. Deebo is the real manufactured touch guy. He has 70 air yards on targets all season. Aiyuk has 517. 

He has been their best receiver.  

31 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think you guys are selling Aiyuk short if you think he’s a manufactured touch guy. He’s a great fit for Shanahan not just because of his YAC ability, but also his ability to win on in-cutting routes. Deebo is the real manufactured touch guy. He has 70 air yards on targets all season. Aiyuk has 517. 

Aiyuk was my second favorite WR in this past class...   

1 hour ago, vaeagle2 said:

i wouldn't trade any of them but seumalo if you go OL round 1. IMO sweat get's bigger role since i wouldn't pick up barnett's 5th year option , he's not producing for a #1 which seems to be the story here , is he worth $10 million a year? ertz is the TE out here.

Barnett’s option was already picked up 

10 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think it depends on if Keenan Allen is brought back for the chargers. They have Mike Williams but after that if Keenan Allen walks they don’t really have much at wide receiver. I can see them go chase if they are ahead of the Eagles. 

Also do you think in hindsight Dallas is kicking themselves right now for taking lamb at 17 meanwhile they might be picking in the top five and have a chance at a even better wide receiver in chase? they didn’t want lamb to fall to the Eagles and they liked him. Meanwhile the Eagles might wind up getting a better wide receiver in the upcoming draft this year because they did that. 

Dallas could very easily take Chase.  Amari Cooper has an extremely tradeable contract.  They can let Gallup walk and then they are left with CeeDee Lamb.  They save the money on Coopers contract and have a dynamic duo at WR.  Jerry LOVES weapons on offense.

UGH.  I had this feeling last year that CeeDee would go to the Cowboys and it happened.  Let's hope I'm wrong.

Crazy time has already started. Folks, go look at how teams are built.

1) Other than QBs, few players land you a 1st or 2nd rd pick, and it's stupid to trade a young talent for a lottery ticket, which is every pick past #100.

2) Teams that rebuild tend to trade contracts, not players, that is, they want to dump veterans and clear out cap room for flexibility.

3)  If you have a good personnel group, it only takes 3 drafts to completely rebuild a NFL team, for one thing, the bulk of your "new" team will be later round picks, SFAs, UDFAs and 3rd tier FAs. Rebuilding teams have the luxury of cycling through players until they develop/get lucky and find some gems - you can spend a couple seasons raiding the practice squads of other teams.

You identify the young players on your team that can be the veteran core of a contender in 2-3 years, not trade them away for middle round picks.

For the Eagles, the two crucial issues are dumping all the bad contracts the next two years and having at least one "big" draft in 2021 or 2022 that lands 4 or 5 starters.

Which is why I'd target 2023, that year they'll have cap room to add FAs again and the young players they've drafted/found on the trash heap will be NFL ready. Hopefully, the next GM will understand that the FAs you target are the "value guys" who have been underutilized on their old teams and just need an opportunity - and don't pay big money for FAs who are 29 or 30 and on the way down - especially at WR and CB which are young athlete positions.

7 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Players I think that may be worth trading for a solid pick or two... 

Sanders 

Goedert 

Sweat 

Seumalo 

the only guy on there I would trade is Sanders.  Goedert is a top 10 TE and if he can stay healthy (big if) he can be top 5.  Sweat and Seumalo are young talent on aging lines.  They aren't all-stars but they are pieces you can build around.  The pick you would get for them wouldn't be great and you would then have to replace them.

What an inspirational story.  The guy snaps his leg in half, has 17 surgeries over a two year period then comes back and turns his struggling team around...and beats the best team in the NFL yesterday.  And his story is likely not finished yet....

 

 

And some are under the impression that benching a QB will ruin his career?  Mind boggling.

 

Alright... a lot of people have given up on Wentz, and others have given up on Wentz here and believe he requires a change of scenery.  I have not given up on Wentz, nor do I believe he needs a new city to play in.  What he needs is a new scheme, new personnel around him, and a renewed commitment to him that won't undercut him at every turn. 

 

Here's my Carson Wentz/Philadelphia Eagles rebuild project plan 2021 and beyond.

 

Step 1 - Clean house - Howie goes, Weidl goes, Doug goes and just about every assistant coach.  Stoutland can stay, but the rest are on very shaky ground.  Taylor, Morhinweg, and Scangarello must go.

Step 2 - New eyes on talent acquisition.  New GM.  A break from overvaluing past performances and focus on identifying and paying for current and future performances.  (I will break this one slightly in a little bit, but for a purpose.) 

Step 3 - New philosophy of creative offensive play calling, and maximizing talent already on the roster. 

Step 4 - Roster purging.  30+ year old players will be dismissed as charitably as possible (in most cases) with an eye to clear cap space, move impediments to the growth of the next generation, and possibly even get some draft capital in place.

 

New GM: Daniel Jeremiah... backup plan (or more ideally assistant GM) Louis Riddick
New HC: Joe Brady
New OC: Brady's choice
New QB Coach: Pat Shurmur (only possible if Vic Fangio is canned in Denver).   Shurmur has a history in this city, but a good one.  He's been able to rebuild many a 'broken' QB and turn them into something.  Long list.  Started with McNabb in 2002... rebuilt Sam Bradford for his 2 best seasons.  Made Case Keenum (Vikings' OC in 2017) into a legitimate starting QB in Minnesota.  Eli Manning had his highest comp pct with Shurmur.  Daniel Jones surprised people as a rookie, working with Shurmur.    Backup plan - Dan Orlovsky.  

New DC: Kris Richard - experience on the back end, and I want aggressive CBs who create turnovers.

 

Moving to the contracts side, the cap is a huge problem.  If the NFL and NFLPA agree to keep the number at this year's number the Eagles are still WAY over the cap, but not as bad as if it drops.  Hard decisions have to be made to get under the cap.  The number to hit seems to be $65M.  But, if the cap number holds steady, with this year's rollover that number drops to about $31M (Spotrac) -$41M (overthecap)

Easy ones first:
Alshon cut - $8M saved
Desean cut - $5M saved
Goodwin cut - $4.2 saved

That's about half of the issue right there.  $17M saved

Now for the crazy part... 
Wentz costs $34.6M against the cap in 2021... but taking his contract and turning his salary and roster bonus into a signing bonus, it drops the number to $16.4M. Saving $18.2M, and making the rest of this all possible, as that puts the team under the projected cap before the start of the league year... making trades possible.

That's shaved $35M of the cap, roughly the midway point between the two reported numbers.

Now... roster trimming and freeing up future cap space (partly to deal with moving on from Wentz if he is truly irreparable, so the goal is to get younger, faster and more flexibility for 2022 and beyond.) 

Trades which might return some value: 
Ertz - Might bring back a late 3rd from a contending team... more likely a 4th or 5th.   I'll take it.   Saves an additional $4.7M and clears his numbers from future years.
Slay - He won't bring back the 3 and 5 we traded away, but costing his new team only $12M/year, he'll have value.  Again, maybe a 4th and a conditional pick later.  $6M comes off the books.
Cox - this is likely the last chance to get anything of value from him.  Only saves about $3M in 2021, but saves over $22M in 2022 and beyond.  Might get lucky and get a 3rd round pick.

 

Less value, and less savings:
Brandon Graham - this is about clearing money from his empty years in 2022 and beyond... Likely nothing more than maybe a 6th round pick in return, maybe a 5th if we are lucky.  But, clears over $12M off the cap in 2022.  (His contract ends in 2021 anyway). saves $700k for 2020.
Brandon Brooks - unlikely to get much of anything back, but clears $2.3M this year, and about $12M off the future numbers for 2022.
Lane Johnson - Mailata needs to play.  Johnson might be pretty close to done.  Trade him post-June 1 to make this possible... and he saves the team $9.7M in 2021, but costs $21M in dead for 2022.  But, his contract gets worse in 2022 and beyond... cap number rising over $20M in some years anyway.

This leaves Wentz vulnerable, trading away the right side of his OL... but he doesn't have that right side of the OL now... but the bigger issue, as I see it is that they replaced them with Peters, Jamon Brown, Matt Toth and Matt Pryor.   With Herbig, Mailata and Driscoll, they might be able to develop some sort of continuity and actually play better, especially as the season goes along.   No more musical chairs on the OL... and that's part of the thinking with trading Brooks and Johnson.  They were once great players, and likely formed the best right side of an OL in the NFL for a couple years.  But, those days are gone and they are breaking down.  

 

Cut: 
Malik Jackson - saves peanuts this year, but saves nearly $9M for 2022.   Let the young guys play.

Extend: 
Derek Barnett - trading away Graham leaves a void.  Barnett can be extended to lower his number in 2021 to about $3M with a 5 year extension on his deal.  He's still very young and is productive enough to warrant keeping.

 

That actually creates a significant amount of space to actually go out and sign a few moderately priced veterans to fill in some gaps.  And frees up $116M for the 2022 cap, allowing the new GM to make a splash for the right players in FA... though it really is 100% about the draft.   2021 will be a tough year to watch... but 2020 has been a tough year to watch and they have no future.  At least in 2021, we'd know that 2022 opens up the free agent market again... and we'd be watching young guys struggle in 2021, instead of watch Alshon and Peters struggle this year.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Alright... a lot of people have given up on Wentz, and others have given up on Wentz here and believe he requires a change of scenery.  I have not given up on Wentz, nor do I believe he needs a new city to play in.  What he needs is a new scheme, new personnel around him, and a renewed commitment to him that won't undercut him at every turn. 

 

Here's my Carson Wentz/Philadelphia Eagles rebuild project plan 2021 and beyond.

 

Step 1 - Clean house - Howie goes, Weidl goes, Doug goes and just about every assistant coach.  Stoutland can stay, but the rest are on very shaky ground.  Taylor, Morhinweg, and Scangarello must go.

Step 2 - New eyes on talent acquisition.  New GM.  A break from overvaluing past performances and focus on identifying and paying for current and future performances.  (I will break this one slightly in a little bit, but for a purpose.) 

Step 3 - New philosophy of creative offensive play calling, and maximizing talent already on the roster. 

Step 4 - Roster purging.  30+ year old players will be dismissed as charitably as possible (in most cases) with an eye to clear cap space, move impediments to the growth of the next generation, and possibly even get some draft capital in place.

 

New GM: Daniel Jeremiah... backup plan (or more ideally assistant GM) Louis Riddick
New HC: Joe Brady
New OC: Brady's choice
New QB Coach: Pat Shurmur (only possible if Vic Fangio is canned in Denver).   Shurmur has a history in this city, but a good one.  He's been able to rebuild many a 'broken' QB and turn them into something.  Long list.  Started with McNabb in 2002... rebuilt Sam Bradford for his 2 best seasons.  Made Case Keenum (Vikings' OC in 2017) into a legitimate starting QB in Minnesota.  Eli Manning had his highest comp pct with Shurmur.  Daniel Jones surprised people as a rookie, working with Shurmur.    Backup plan - Dan Orlovsky.  

New DC: Kris Richard - experience on the back end, and I want aggressive CBs who create turnovers.

 

Moving to the contracts side, the cap is a huge problem.  If the NFL and NFLPA agree to keep the number at this year's number the Eagles are still WAY over the cap, but not as bad as if it drops.  Hard decisions have to be made to get under the cap.  The number to hit seems to be $65M.  But, if the cap number holds steady, with this year's rollover that number drops to about $31M (Spotrac) -$41M (overthecap)

Easy ones first:
Alshon cut - $8M saved
Desean cut - $5M saved
Goodwin cut - $4.2 saved

That's about half of the issue right there.  $17M saved

Now for the crazy part... 
Wentz costs $34.6M against the cap in 2021... but taking his contract and turning his salary and roster bonus into a signing bonus, it drops the number to $16.4M. Saving $18.2M, and making the rest of this all possible, as that puts the team under the projected cap before the start of the league year... making trades possible.

That's shaved $35M of the cap, roughly the midway point between the two reported numbers.

Now... roster trimming and freeing up future cap space (partly to deal with moving on from Wentz if he is truly irreparable, so the goal is to get younger, faster and more flexibility for 2022 and beyond.) 

Trades which might return some value: 
Ertz - Might bring back a late 3rd from a contending team... more likely a 4th or 5th.   I'll take it.   Saves an additional $4.7M and clears his numbers from future years.
Slay - He won't bring back the 3 and 5 we traded away, but costing his new team only $12M/year, he'll have value.  Again, maybe a 4th and a conditional pick later.  $6M comes off the books.
Cox - this is likely the last chance to get anything of value from him.  Only saves about $3M in 2021, but saves over $22M in 2022 and beyond.  Might get lucky and get a 3rd round pick.

 

Less value, and less savings:
Brandon Graham - this is about clearing money from his empty years in 2022 and beyond... Likely nothing more than maybe a 6th round pick in return, maybe a 5th if we are lucky.  But, clears over $12M off the cap in 2022.  (His contract ends in 2021 anyway). saves $700k for 2020.
Brandon Brooks - unlikely to get much of anything back, but clears $2.3M this year, and about $12M off the future numbers for 2022.
Lane Johnson - Mailata needs to play.  Johnson might be pretty close to done.  Trade him post-June 1 to make this possible... and he saves the team $9.7M in 2021, but costs $21M in dead for 2022.  But, his contract gets worse in 2022 and beyond... cap number rising over $20M in some years anyway.

This leaves Wentz vulnerable, trading away the right side of his OL... but he doesn't have that right side of the OL now... but the bigger issue, as I see it is that they replaced them with Peters, Jamon Brown, Matt Toth and Matt Pryor.   With Herbig, Mailata and Driscoll, they might be able to develop some sort of continuity and actually play better, especially as the season goes along.   No more musical chairs on the OL... and that's part of the thinking with trading Brooks and Johnson.  They were once great players, and likely formed the best right side of an OL in the NFL for a couple years.  But, those days are gone and they are breaking down.  

 

Cut: 
Malik Jackson - saves peanuts this year, but saves nearly $9M for 2022.   Let the young guys play.

Extend: 
Derek Barnett - trading away Graham leaves a void.  Barnett can be extended to lower his number in 2021 to about $3M with a 5 year extension on his deal.  He's still very young and is productive enough to warrant keeping.

 

That actually creates a significant amount of space to actually go out and sign a few moderately priced veterans to fill in some gaps.  And frees up $116M for the 2022 cap, allowing the new GM to make a splash for the right players in FA... though it really is 100% about the draft.   2021 will be a tough year to watch... but 2020 has been a tough year to watch and they have no future.  At least in 2021, we'd know that 2022 opens up the free agent market again... and we'd be watching young guys struggle in 2021, instead of watch Alshon and Peters struggle this year.

I'm in

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

"extreme lack of talent" LOL!!!

I can name 12-15 teams that would kill for Ertz/DG/Sanders and a first round WR in Reagor. 

4 players on a 53 man roster. To me that's an extreme lack of talent. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I'm in

Did you miss the extend Barnett part ??

Just now, downundermike said:

Did you miss the extend Barnett part ??

Shhhh....

lol

35 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

the only guy on there I would trade is Sanders.  Goedert is a top 10 TE and if he can stay healthy (big if) he can be top 5.  Sweat and Seumalo are young talent on aging lines.  They aren't all-stars but they are pieces you can build around.  The pick you would get for them wouldn't be great and you would then have to replace them.

Sweat is about to be in his final year. You really think the Eagles are re-signing him? 
 

Seumalo is and always has been average. He sucks at pass protection. Would rather see Herbig start at LG next year. Some team would give up a late pick for a known commodity 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Alright... a lot of people have given up on Wentz, and others have given up on Wentz here and believe he requires a change of scenery.  I have not given up on Wentz, nor do I believe he needs a new city to play in.  What he needs is a new scheme, new personnel around him, and a renewed commitment to him that won't undercut him at every turn. 

 

Here's my Carson Wentz/Philadelphia Eagles rebuild project plan 2021 and beyond.

 

Step 1 - Clean house - Howie goes, Weidl goes, Doug goes and just about every assistant coach.  Stoutland can stay, but the rest are on very shaky ground.  Taylor, Morhinweg, and Scangarello must go.

Step 2 - New eyes on talent acquisition.  New GM.  A break from overvaluing past performances and focus on identifying and paying for current and future performances.  (I will break this one slightly in a little bit, but for a purpose.) 

Step 3 - New philosophy of creative offensive play calling, and maximizing talent already on the roster. 

Step 4 - Roster purging.  30+ year old players will be dismissed as charitably as possible (in most cases) with an eye to clear cap space, move impediments to the growth of the next generation, and possibly even get some draft capital in place.

 

New GM: Daniel Jeremiah... backup plan (or more ideally assistant GM) Louis Riddick
New HC: Joe Brady
New OC: Brady's choice
New QB Coach: Pat Shurmur (only possible if Vic Fangio is canned in Denver).   Shurmur has a history in this city, but a good one.  He's been able to rebuild many a 'broken' QB and turn them into something.  Long list.  Started with McNabb in 2002... rebuilt Sam Bradford for his 2 best seasons.  Made Case Keenum (Vikings' OC in 2017) into a legitimate starting QB in Minnesota.  Eli Manning had his highest comp pct with Shurmur.  Daniel Jones surprised people as a rookie, working with Shurmur.    Backup plan - Dan Orlovsky.  

New DC: Kris Richard - experience on the back end, and I want aggressive CBs who create turnovers.

 

Moving to the contracts side, the cap is a huge problem.  If the NFL and NFLPA agree to keep the number at this year's number the Eagles are still WAY over the cap, but not as bad as if it drops.  Hard decisions have to be made to get under the cap.  The number to hit seems to be $65M.  But, if the cap number holds steady, with this year's rollover that number drops to about $31M (Spotrac) -$41M (overthecap)

Easy ones first:
Alshon cut - $8M saved
Desean cut - $5M saved
Goodwin cut - $4.2 saved

That's about half of the issue right there.  $17M saved

Now for the crazy part... 
Wentz costs $34.6M against the cap in 2021... but taking his contract and turning his salary and roster bonus into a signing bonus, it drops the number to $16.4M. Saving $18.2M, and making the rest of this all possible, as that puts the team under the projected cap before the start of the league year... making trades possible.

That's shaved $35M of the cap, roughly the midway point between the two reported numbers.

Now... roster trimming and freeing up future cap space (partly to deal with moving on from Wentz if he is truly irreparable, so the goal is to get younger, faster and more flexibility for 2022 and beyond.) 

Trades which might return some value: 
Ertz - Might bring back a late 3rd from a contending team... more likely a 4th or 5th.   I'll take it.   Saves an additional $4.7M and clears his numbers from future years.
Slay - He won't bring back the 3 and 5 we traded away, but costing his new team only $12M/year, he'll have value.  Again, maybe a 4th and a conditional pick later.  $6M comes off the books.
Cox - this is likely the last chance to get anything of value from him.  Only saves about $3M in 2021, but saves over $22M in 2022 and beyond.  Might get lucky and get a 3rd round pick.

 

Less value, and less savings:
Brandon Graham - this is about clearing money from his empty years in 2022 and beyond... Likely nothing more than maybe a 6th round pick in return, maybe a 5th if we are lucky.  But, clears over $12M off the cap in 2022.  (His contract ends in 2021 anyway). saves $700k for 2020.
Brandon Brooks - unlikely to get much of anything back, but clears $2.3M this year, and about $12M off the future numbers for 2022.
Lane Johnson - Mailata needs to play.  Johnson might be pretty close to done.  Trade him post-June 1 to make this possible... and he saves the team $9.7M in 2021, but costs $21M in dead for 2022.  But, his contract gets worse in 2022 and beyond... cap number rising over $20M in some years anyway.

This leaves Wentz vulnerable, trading away the right side of his OL... but he doesn't have that right side of the OL now... but the bigger issue, as I see it is that they replaced them with Peters, Jamon Brown, Matt Toth and Matt Pryor.   With Herbig, Mailata and Driscoll, they might be able to develop some sort of continuity and actually play better, especially as the season goes along.   No more musical chairs on the OL... and that's part of the thinking with trading Brooks and Johnson.  They were once great players, and likely formed the best right side of an OL in the NFL for a couple years.  But, those days are gone and they are breaking down.  

 

Cut: 
Malik Jackson - saves peanuts this year, but saves nearly $9M for 2022.   Let the young guys play.

Extend: 
Derek Barnett - trading away Graham leaves a void.  Barnett can be extended to lower his number in 2021 to about $3M with a 5 year extension on his deal.  He's still very young and is productive enough to warrant keeping.

 

That actually creates a significant amount of space to actually go out and sign a few moderately priced veterans to fill in some gaps.  And frees up $116M for the 2022 cap, allowing the new GM to make a splash for the right players in FA... though it really is 100% about the draft.   2021 will be a tough year to watch... but 2020 has been a tough year to watch and they have no future.  At least in 2021, we'd know that 2022 opens up the free agent market again... and we'd be watching young guys struggle in 2021, instead of watch Alshon and Peters struggle this year.

I'm keeping Brooks and probably Lane but that said this is a great and well thought out post. Thanks for that.

1 minute ago, greend said:

I'm keeping Brooks and probably Lane but that said this is a great and well thought out post. Thanks for that.

I can't argue against keeping them.  They are better when healthy than the players I would put in their place... but the when healthy part is the key.  They are also very expensive and will have diminishing returns on that investment.   They were a great investment though, and paid off handsomely with a Super Bowl.  I just would rather deal with all the issues at once and rip it all down, but can absolutely see the other side of it.