16 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

It was his first start, ever.   Do you think that is the best he can do, or are you hoping it is?

I don’t think it is that he can’t grow and get better. It’s more that this was the report on Hurts coming out of college. Maybe he can grow into a more complete QB but that likely isn’t happening soon. A one read and take off QB isnt a recipe for long term success in the  NFL. 

Did Hurts run too much? Yes.
Is it sustainable? No. 

However, he's had no practice time with the starters and was up against a legitimate top 3 defense. If there was a game in which he should run, it's this one. If he does this every week, it'll be a problem. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Signature win?    The Eagles beat a team with Taysom Hill at QB, and the Saints never even tried to use him as a running threat.   Let's not let the pendulum swing so far in the opposite direction as to lose focus on the fact that the Saints with Taysom Hill at QB is not the same team as it has been leading up to that game.  Yes, they won the last few with Taysom, but not because of Taysom.  They won the game against Denver IN SPITE of Taysom.  31-3 final score, but Taysom had 0 TDs, 1 INT and threw for just 78 yards.

 

Yes, the Saints defense is very good.  But, they also had no real film on Hurts.  They adjusted in the second half and really limited what the Eagles could do.  

 

The only starting QB the Eagles beat this year was Daniel Jones, and frankly, if not for an Evan Engram drop at the end, they don't win that one either.  
Rich Mullins, Ben DeNucci, Daniel Jones and Taysom Hill.   Those are the QBs the Eagles beat.  Nothing 'signature' about any of them.

The bolded to a tee.  And how many times have we seen the back up come in, give a spark, and then it is not sustainable.

6 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Metcalf 61

Seahawks won 40-3, and Geno Smith played the entire 4th quarter.  

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

It appears as if Doug and Wentz are having a contentious staredown. 

meh

Nice to get a win but if Hurts keeps running like this i see an RG3 in the future.

There's a reason RBs have a short shelf life.

Just now, Asg 15 said:

Nice to get a win but if Hurts keeps running like this i see an RG3 in the future.

There's a reason RBs have a short shelf life.

It's not the number of runs, it's the number of hits. Russell Wilson ran a TON early in his career, but it was hard to hit him.

Hurts getting 10 yard runs on the sideline going out of bounds is fine. He can do that and be fine. It's the "QB - Power" runs that are very scary. We must have ran that 5-7 times. 

1 minute ago, Asg 15 said:

Nice to get a win but if Hurts keeps running like this i see an RG3 in the future.

There's a reason RBs have a short shelf life.

And why Lamar Jackson looks like garbage this year.  The running QB model is not sustainable.

I think the Wentz disgust by some and their subsequent effusive and immediate gushing of Hurts is annoying.  Likewise for them the Carson defense by people like me is equally annoying.  After Carson's first NFL start I think the majority of Eagles fans were pumped and excited, especially given the circumstances leading to that start (broken wrist during TC, hardly any practice with the first team, the trade if the heretofore starting QB just before the season began).

It was fun to watch Hurts as he covered for an offensive line that still can't pick up a blitz, often let more than one defender run free at him and he was able to make plays (a trait we all marveled at with Carson until this season), and is a good enough athlete to help a team severely lacking explosive athletes.

What I find most annoying is folks talking about what a great game Doug called and the Eagles only scored 7 2nd half points, had an RB score on an 80 yard run and a QB that had to rush 16 times.  I'll give Hurts all the credit he deserves, but Doug and the Eagles coaching staff minus Stoutland deserve no credit as Hurts, like Carson and Foles just a bit before him over the past 3 seasons, was good enough to cover their pathetic lack of player development at all key positions and I would say the Eagles are where players regress rather than improve and that is all on coaching.  Furthermore, the situational play calling is atrocious.

25 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The bolded to a tee.  And how many times have we seen the back up come in, give a spark, and then it is not sustainable.

I mentioned it last night.  Similar to the backup goalie coming in for a hockey game @HazletonEagle, amirite?         Or, when a HC is fired and the interim HC wins the first game.

 

Let's see what happens over the next few weeks before drawing conclusions.  And even then, it would be too soon.

9 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Giants have the Browns, Ravens, and Cowboys.

Washington has the Seahawks, Panthers, and Eagles.

Eagles have the Cardinals, Cowboys, and Washington.

If the Eagles beat a very beatable Cardinals team, they're about to piss a lot of people off.

If Hurts stays at q.b. the rest of the year there's a good chance we win out, ruin our draft pick, save Howie's and Doug's job, and give some fans false hope for next year. Then next year Hurts will begin to fail and we'll have another year of this crap.

I can almost see it as if it already happened.

1 minute ago, greend said:

If Hurts stays at q.b. the rest of the year there's a good chance we win out, ruin our draft pick, save Howie's and Doug's job, and give some fans false hope for next year. Then next year Hurts will begin to fail and we'll have another year of this crap.

I can almost see it as if it already happened.

Yep.  Howie and Doug are 1-0 in saving their jobs, and then we are back to bad drafting and no ability to develop players.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And why Lamar Jackson looks like garbage this year.  The running QB model is not sustainable.

I mean first and foremost a QB has to be able to pass the ball.  I think that's the question with Hurts.  He won't be a successful QB unless he can make NFL throws regardless of his legs.  He had a pretty average night throwing the football.  The best throw was the one to Alshon.  He also nearly had a pick 6 on an out throw where the DB had a read on the route.  I think that's the question with him is whether he has the arm talent to be a starting NFL QB.  

I think the problem with Jackson is his accuracy.  It's not that he ran too much last season.  It's that he can't throw it this season.  

9 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

What names do any "Wentz followers" call anyone who say anything negative about Wentz? I'm not saying it hasn't happened. I just haven't seen it

We'll call them Hurtin for Hurts. BTW don't waste your breath for whatever reason he's hated Wentz from the beginning.

36 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Signature win?    The Eagles beat a team with Taysom Hill at QB, and the Saints never even tried to use him as a running threat.   Let's not let the pendulum swing so far in the opposite direction as to lose focus on the fact that the Saints with Taysom Hill at QB is not the same team as it has been leading up to that game.  Yes, they won the last few with Taysom, but not because of Taysom.  They won the game against Denver IN SPITE of Taysom.  31-3 final score, but Taysom had 0 TDs, 1 INT and threw for just 78 yards.

 

Yes, the Saints defense is very good.  But, they also had no real film on Hurts.  They adjusted in the second half and really limited what the Eagles could do.  

 

The only starting QB the Eagles beat this year was Daniel Jones, and frankly, if not for an Evan Engram drop at the end, they don't win that one either.  
Rich Mullins, Ben DeNucci, Daniel Jones and Taysom Hill.   Those are the QBs the Eagles beat.  Nothing 'signature' about any of them.

So "Hurts does the same thing he did in college" and "the Saints had no film on Hurts" doesn't sound like a contradiction to you?

You can nitpick "signature win" all you want; Hurts had the biggest QB performance of the Eagles season against the best defense the Eagles have played.

Carson Wentz was the starting QB in all but one of the games you referenced. I don't understand your utter devotion to a guy who can't consistently make high school throws.

9 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Oh but according the Hurts they did. Anybody with eyes knows the truth. 

47 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

It was his first start, ever.   Do you think that is the best he can do, or are you hoping it is?

 Cripes, it’s really annoying to have to preface any critique of a young QB with "he should improve, but...”

27 minutes ago, greend said:

meh

BTW, happy to see you tested negative. 

8 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I think the Wentz disgust by some and their subsequent effusive and immediate gushing of Hurts is annoying.  Likewise for them the Carson defense by people like me is equally annoying.  After Carson's first NFL start I think the majority of Eagles fans were pumped and excited, especially given the circumstances leading to that start (broken wrist during TC, hardly any practice with the first team, the trade if the heretofore starting QB just before the season began).

It was fun to watch Hurts as he covered for an offensive line that still can't pick up a blitz, often let more than one defender run free at him and he was able to make plays (a trait we all marveled at with Carson until this season), and is a good enough athlete to help a team severely lacking explosive athletes.

What I find most annoying is folks talking about what a great game Doug called and the Eagles only scored 7 2nd half points, had an RB score on an 80 yard run and a QB that had to rush 16 times.  I'll give Hurts all the credit he deserves, but Doug and the Eagles coaching staff minus Stoutland deserve no credit as Hurts, like Carson and Foles just a bit before him over the past 3 seasons, was good enough to cover their pathetic lack of player development at all key positions and I would say the Eagles are where players regress rather than improve and that is all on coaching.  Furthermore, the situational play calling is atrocious.

I don't think it was a 'great game' by Doug, and I've not noticed anyone saying it was.  What I have seen is people asking where many of the plays we saw yesterday have been?   Where was the end around for Reagor until literally last week?  Why was Ward getting the flanker screens every week, but this week the flanker screen goes to Reagor, and even one to Sanders?  Where was the drag across the field by Reagor in previous weeks?  (Was that happening before but not there?) 

The OL was not great in pass pro, but they were markedly better.  The fact that Peters is finally done (at least for this year, but hopefully for good) meant that practice reps could be given purely to Herbig.  Herbig wasn't great, but he was better than Peters.  His two false starts were bad.   And as you note, they did struggle with the blitz pickups.  Hurts is faster than Wentz, so when he flushes out of the pocket, he has more escapability.  But, that's not what we want to see long term.  We want to see better pickups by the OL/TE/RBs and more of the quick decisions by the QB to get rid of the ball to the hot route, not just run out of there.  The TD to Alshon is what we want more of, not the running.   But, first NFL game, that's something that most young QBs struggle with early.  

 

As to the rest of that paragraph, I agree 100%.  The biggest issue is that those runs by Hurts were, at least half the time, the play design.  The first play of the game was a fake sweep to Sanders in motion, and Hurts just running the ball straight up the gut.  They came back to that in the 2nd half.  Same exact play from the same exact formation and personnel group.  Hurts got hit hard both times.  Hurts also ran designed QB runs on 3 different 3rd downs.  He ran the QB sneak.  He ran the keeper at the end of the game that he fumbled.  These were all QB runs by design, and that is the biggest knock on Doug in this game.  That's not 'catching a defense off guard' once or twice to get a chunk play every now and then.  That was the only way that Doug felt comfortable converting on big 3rd down plays.   Which means, the rest of the offensive roster isn't good enough... either due to drafting or development or both.  And it was, frankly, disgusting to see. Hurts is a good enough athlete to make it work.  But, it's not the NFL of 2020.  It's more the NFL of 1920.   And I've seen folks hailing the fact that the Eagles had 2 100 yard rushers.   Folks, when one of them is the QB, that's not a good sign.

10 minutes ago, greend said:

If Hurts stays at q.b. the rest of the year there's a good chance we win out, ruin our draft pick, save Howie's and Doug's job, and give some fans false hope for next year. Then next year Hurts will begin to fail and we'll have another year of this crap.

I can almost see it as if it already happened.

It will be even worse, because they NEED to dump a ton of expensive players to get under the salary cap and its almost impossible, unless they use Wentz' contract to restructure to get under the cap.

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Hurts had the biggest QB performance of the Eagles season against the best defense the Eagles have played

How soon we forget Carson Wentz scoring 29 points in Pittsburgh against the Steelers, the #1 defense in points allowed.

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Oh but according the Hurts they did. Anybody with eyes knows the truth. 

The offense looked pretty similar. Hurts just ran it better.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

How soon we forget Carson Wentz scoring 29 points in Pittsburgh against the Steelers, the #1 defense in points allowed.

Did he win?

While I am over the moon excited about Jalen Hurts and was ready to see him weeks ago, I really hope people keep some perspective here...

The same morons that ruined Wentz are going to be the same morons that ultimately end up ruining Hurts. Pederson and Howie still need to go.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

"ran it better" lol no. 

The offense was still poop. still was predictable. he just is a better scambler. 

The Eagles scored 24 points against the #1 D and that includes a missed 25 yard FG. The offense won TOP and won the yardage battle.

9 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

So "Hurts does the same thing he did in college" and "the Saints had no film on Hurts" doesn't sound like a contradiction to you?

You can nitpick "signature win" all you want; Hurts had the biggest QB performance of the Eagles season against the best defense the Eagles have played.

Carson Wentz was the starting QB in all but one of the games you referenced. I don't understand your utter devotion to a guy who can't consistently make high school throws.

Did I say he did the same thing he did in college?   Nope.  

I didn't say a word about Wentz in that post.  I haven't defended him even a bit in a quite a while, other than to say that there's a lot of blame to go around... and when the QB fails, the coach fails with him... because that's the QB that he wanted... and that's the QB he failed to coach up.  Wentz has regressed, and I haven't seen a single person deny that.  That's either 100% on Wentz, or its on Wentz and the coaches.  I blame Wentz and the coaches.  The coaches have also used stupid personnel groupings, failed to develop other players, and made bone headed decisions in the middle of games.   Wentz is out... and I still see stupid personnel grouping, failed development of other players and bone headed decisions in the middle of the game.   Removing Wentz from the equation won't fix this team.  They won yesterday, which will cover up a lot of the flaws of this team to folks who wanted to blame it all on Wentz to begin with.   But, as @greend just said... if Doug and Howie are back, this team won't move forward.   We'll be dealing with this more in the future.   2021 is going to suck, pretty much no matter how you slice it given the gutting this team needs to do just from a salary cap standpoint.  But, if it's done right, they bring in better coaches who can develop talent.  They could turn it around and 2022 could be the beginning of a turn around.   If Doug and Howie come back, 2021 will not be the bottom of the fall from grace.