1 minute ago, CaliEagle said:

I agree. Howie is a problem.  He can't evaluate WRs.

He can't evaluate any position. Dude can't draft for ish. Even with Dorsey in his ear, he'll take the guy with medical problems or who's less talented over the guy Dorsey tells him to take

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If it’s a complete rebuild and this happens and we trade Hurts too.  I’d be good with it.  No reason to draft a QB high and keep Hurts.  Unless QB factory.  

agreed.

Wentz for #1 take Lawrence (hes not my guy but I suspect the eagles will like him)

Hurts for whatever you can get (should be decent since he showed some promise in his playing time here)

Could pick 1st, 6th, and add picks from a Hurts trade. Would be a nice way to start a re-set. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Probably a package similar to when they went from 8 to 2 to get Wentz. Except this time, Wentz can be used in the trade which is more valuable than anything they had that year. Shouldnt take much. You think Jacksonville would like Wentz? I do. 

You are way overestimating his trade value. No GM is going to give up a lot for Wentz when he has been playing poorly for over a year. That would be a recipe for a firing. If anything, other GMs would know the Eagles want to trade Wentz which lessens his value.  I would bet his value is a 4th rounder right now considering his huge salary.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Probably a package similar to when they went from 8 to 2 to get Wentz. Except this time, Wentz can be used in the trade which is more valuable than anything they had that year. Shouldnt take much. You think Jacksonville would like Wentz? I do. 

If you are a GM and have a gun to your head, you are saying you would take Wentz over Lawrence right now?  I can't imagine any team in the league would do that.

Wait wait so wentz is going to get us the #1 pick in the draft now??  LOL

@HazletonEagle Are you still drunk from last night?

1 minute ago, TEW said:

There’s no reason to believe they’d be performing here with our coaching and QB situation though...

There's no question that those guys are more talented and polished then the guys we took over them. I'd be willing to bet on it. Even if they had half the success here, it would be better then the garbage we have 

4 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I agree with ESP

How?  

Carson has had 1 horrible year and got no help whatsoever from Howie building the team around him, DP calling plays to take advantage of Carson's skillset or the players around him and so on.  Carson has shown he has the tools to become elite.  He's only 28.  When you find your franchise quarterback you build your team around him.  Do whatever you can to make him successful.  You invest $128 million in a guy, do you just expect him to win by himself or do you give him a supporting cast?

DP was coaching HS football before Andy gave him a chance.  Even when he was the OC in KC he wasn't that great.  Which OC ran an offense that went a full 16 game season without having a WR catch a single TD?  Guess who? DP.  He has regressed steadily since SB52.  He's a bumbling moron in press conferences.  He doesn't adjust during games. 

 

-Who's the best player on offense?  The biggest threat to score, most productive when given a chance?  Miles Sanders.  What doesn't DP do?  GIVE THE BALL to Miles Sanders.

-What type of play does Carson play at his highest level?  Moving him out of the pocket.  What doesn't DP do?  Call plays that move Carson around.

-What type of plays help a quarterback not get killed behind a 3rd string O-line....see above, move the pocket, don't let the quarterback be a statue.

-Which WRs did the Eagles bypass to draft JJAW/Reagor?  I don't need to list them.

-Which WR was leaking to the media and dogging on the quarterback?  The same guy that Howie extended

You can go on and on with the horrible coaching that has gone on here along with the personnel decisions in building a team around Carson.

 

Carson played like trash this year.  There's no defending it.  He was given no help at all however.  ZERO.  Not from Howie and not from DP...and Lurie enables both men.  Jeff Lurie decided to invest in Carson but then doesn't hold the men in charge of the team accountable when they don't do their jobs.  I will be very interested to hear what Lurie has to say.  

Give me the 28 year old quarterback over the 1 time wonder head coach any day of the week. 

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

There’s no reason to believe they’d be performing here with our coaching and QB situation though...

I can assure you Metcalf and Jefferson would be performing substantially better than JJAW and Reagor.

Just now, Godfather said:

There's no question that those guys are more talented and polished then the guys we took over them. I'd be willing to bet on it. Even if they had half the success here, it would be better then the garbage we have 

Look, I was a guy who said I’d take Metcalf in the first round before he was drafted. And certainly those are talented players.

But nothing about this team makes me think they’d perform here. I think they’d flash but ultimately not get much in the way of playing time or targets.

21 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I agree with ESP

That tells me all I need to know...

 

 

 

 

...about you.

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

@HazletonEagle Are you still drunk from last night?

I think so. 

4 minutes ago, TEW said:

There’s no reason to believe they’d be performing here with our coaching and QB situation though...

You’re correct which means there is a scheme and GM problem maybe ?

1 minute ago, Blazehound said:

I can assure you Metcalf and Jefferson would be performing substantially better than JJAW and Reagor.

I’m not as convinced, and I was a huge Metcalf guy.

Carson was the worst QB in the NFL and Doug doesn’t give young receivers consistent playing time and opportunities.

Just now, TEW said:

Look, I was a guy who said I’d take Metcalf in the first round before he was drafted. And certainly those are talented players.

But nothing about this team makes me think they’d perform here. I think they’d flash but ultimately not get much in the way of playing time or targets.

They would be better than what we have. I agree there is a system problem. Personally, I feel that other teams are recognizing our plays as I have seen DBs breaking for sideline routes before our WRs even break for them. We don't even change our audible call "kill, kill" to some other name after years.  But, Metcalf and Jefferson would be better than what we have because their talent is obvious. But, I agree they wouldn't be putting up #s they are putting up for their teams in the system we have.  This is why Doug needs to go, too.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Look, I was a guy who said I’d take Metcalf in the first round before he was drafted. And certainly those are talented players.

But nothing about this team makes me think they’d perform here. I think they’d flash but ultimately not get much in the way of playing time or targets.

I disagree. Jeffery would've never knocked Metcalf out of the starting lineup. I see where you're coming from but they would still have success here. Bringing Doug back was a mistake unless they're replacing him with a true playcaller

17 minutes ago, Godfather said:

I said if true regarding this report. I think it's obvious there's something going on between him and Doug. Part of it I believe is Doug wanted Foles over Wentz. Playcalling as been different then it was when Wentz took the league by storm. Even with Hurts the last 3 weeks playcalling has been different at least in the first half of games. Lurie handled this situation poorly 

I don’t believe that Pederson ever wanted Foles over Wentz.  Some of the play calls have been better but this is the same bad offense we have seen all season. It’s an all time bad offensive team. 

Not having an OC this season was an absolute disaster. Our last two OCs are both with the 10-5 Colts. 

I don’t want to see any draft capital spent on drafting a QB until there is a qualified coaching staff in place.  If this organization is in the process of moving away from Wentz and toward Hurts as QB, they are accountable for following that path to its inevitable conclusion.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I don’t believe that Pederson ever wanted Foles over Wentz.  Some of the play calls have been better but this is the same bad offense we have seen all season. It’s an all time bad offensive team. 

Same bad offense for the last 3 years

35 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

For the first time in a while, I'm incredibly disappointed with Lurie. He dragged his feet and ultimately allowed this toxic environment to destroy the team. The buck stops with him, he had a chance to nip this in the bud and did nothing. This is what happens when you wait until the offseason to take out the trash. The stink lingers all season long and eventually players start looking elsewhere. Can't say I blame any of them either. 

The worst part, is he's going to let it linger longer. Minor changes will happen, but Lurie is not going to make the one obvious decision that needs to be made.

Glazer just reported Doug and Howie will be back.

If Schwartz and some offensive staffers are the only changes this offseason then this team is Fing doomed.

17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I told my buddy the other day.  The Cap problem is like someone being flat broke.  When you’re flat broke, you don’t spend money unwisely.   Because you have no money to spend.   So at least we got that going for us, which is nice.    

Howie will just take out a third mortgage and fill out a credit card application with one of his kids names so he can shop till he drops 

53 minutes ago, uncphillyfan said:

Didn’t affect Aaron Rodgers

That's not even comparable 

32 minutes ago, RLC said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30562357/sources-carson-wentz-not-interested-being-backup-qb-want-move-philadelphia-eagles-jalen-hurts-remains-starter

Read his previous report. Then look at what he said today. He was correct.

Schefter already said he made it up and it was his own opinion. He admitted that he never spoke with Wentz or his agent. It was an opinion piece that everyone ran with as some report that Wentz talked with the media

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Glazer just reported Doug and Howie will be back.

If Schwartz and some offensive staffers are the only changes this offseason then this team is Fing doomed.

Unbelievable. Depressing. Moronic. Negligent. Insulting. Delusional.