1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Most underrated conversation coming out of the Steelers game -- success of the offense coinciding with a significant decrease in 12-personnel. Burn that 2-TE offense BS to the ground.

Trade Ertz immediately 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Here's the big picture issue...

The Eagles are unlikely to have a substantial and winning talent infusion for the 2021 season.  They are cap strapped, so Howie can't buy any more band-aids.  Kelce is going to retire and create a new hole.  The young reinforcements:  from our 2019 draft class, the lone jewel, Miles Sanders, is a running back.  He's great, but he's a running back who is already the best player on our offense.  His jump from year 2 to year 3 is not going to be earth shattering.  And they can likely expect zero boost from the rest of the draft class.  The 2020 draft class, per usual, has very cool to ice-cold early results.  Reagor may take a big step, but it's pretty safe to expect very little from the rest of that group in year 2.

So ignore the chicken/egg debate about Wentz being primarily bad or primarily a victim.  He'll work his his way back up to average passer status later this year.  Then next year, he's going to scratch, claw, and stumble through 16 games with mostly the same supporting cast we see now, dragging him down.  Translation: love Wentz, like him, or hate him, the Eagles will not finish 2020 with a good passing offense and they won't enter or conclude 2021 with one either.

So they are going to have to make a decision on either cutting bait or vastly overpaying a then 29 year old Wentz...still with no good production besides memories of 2017...and with no help to properly evaluate him in a non-dysfunctional offense.  

That decision is coming.  And they'll either be cutting bait on a QB who they never gave a chance with these weapons or giving absolute monster money to a QB who they degraded into a sub-par passer and who relies on running around, rolling out, and playing recess ball at 29 years old.  It's lose/lose.

Howie and Doug created this problem.

If JM can hang at LT that fixes one problem assuming Johnson can stay healthy. Brooks healthy without regressing because of the injury and age? They'd need a LG with IS sliding to center. AJ and DJ need to go. Probably Ertz as well. Outside of the line, and that's a big issue, the offense may be alright if Reagor can be what they drafted him to be.

DL is the next issue. Keep Barnett? BG and Cox will be older. Their LBs are crap, safety is up in the air, and CB next to Slay is ?

The shame of it is there may be some decent players to pick up with the cap being lower and teams having to make choices.

 

27 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Trade Ertz immediately 

I’m not sure they are going to trade him until goedert can be on the field. Dick rod isn’t a solution. Makes you think maybe they should’ve kept Togiai considering goedert has shown to miss games and dick rod is basically a veteran who’s likely done once the eagles move on 

2 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

If the Eagles give up on Wentz you know he’ll be an All-Pro the next place he goes. 
 

Wentz has not been playing well, he’s in his own head. Better coaching/ leadership can help overcome that.
 

It’s so clear the impact Frank Reich had on this offense. 

This. I think we are seriously in a tough spot. Doug needs to really let go of some control. Bring in a new fresh guy to run the offense. Bring in a tough qb coach for Wentz. Wentz could probably pick up any offense you throw at him. 

Not to mentioned Howie dug himself a huge hole with the cap and missed on some insanely valuable 2nd round picks. You could argue they were worth as much as a late 1st. These last few drafts were loaded in the 2nd round. 

Maybe we can trade back in the draft and reload the team. The Dak injury makes me think we win the division and keep everything the same again though. 

A 6 win team picking in the 20's sounds totally like a 2020 thing. 

21 minutes ago, AzBirdGang said:

This. I think we are seriously in a tough spot. Doug needs to really let go of some control. Bring in a new fresh guy to run the offense. Bring in a tough qb coach for Wentz. Wentz could probably pick up any offense you throw at him. 

Not to mentioned Howie dug himself a huge hole with the cap and missed on some insanely valuable 2nd round picks. You could argue they were worth as much as a late 1st. These last few drafts were loaded in the 2nd round. 

Maybe we can trade back in the draft and reload the team. The Dak injury makes me think we win the division and keep everything the same again though. 

A 6 win team picking in the 20's sounds totally like a 2020 thing. 

This is my nightmare scenario for this team that needs so many things upgraded and changed.

 

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Kris Richard 

This is who I would like to see get a chance 

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Cool story brah 

When did you come back?

  

22 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Just now. 

You're not the only one who's back. After seeing a few things, I felt the need to put my hat into the ring.

First of all, nice to see you all again. To those who remember me, I hope all you and your families are doing well. To those who don't...nice to meet you.

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I'll be honest, I've read a lot of posts, even since my departure. And boy, if I hear about DK Metcalf one more time, I might actually explode.

I'll give my full opinion on that later, but the long and short of that is...

If that dude got drafted here, the chance of him being injured is far higher than the chance he'd look like he does with Wilson.

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But that's not why I made an account back, today. The real reason, honestly, is because I feel some things need to be said. 

Let's talk about those "missed picks" of Howie's, recently.

Isn't it ironic that within 3-4 weeks of them being let go, Rasul Douglas and Sidney Jones have put up quality starts for another team? I do not think Howie Roseman is the best talent evaluator, he absolutely makes mistakes.

But I feel like the elephant in the room is being ignored because people are upset about things like the aforementioned DK Metcalf. I called out years ago that if we let Rasul go he'd be successful in a different scheme. But...I didn't call that out about Sidney Jones.

I think, despite Howie's mistakes, that shows something really important.

Jim Schwartz absolutely cannot figure out how to use the talent that Howie Roseman is able to draft.

You cannot combine a GM that is not transcendent (Read: Can change their draft style to fit their DC) with a DC that cannot adapt to their talent. One must go.

And if I had to pick, especially with Kris Richard sitting on the street, I'd actually keep Howie.

I don't think Howie is an amazing GM. I do think he has errors. But I absolutely think that he's being made to look actually worse than he is, because people are giving Jim the benefit of the doubt.

Playing Darius Slay 10 yards off should be damning evidence for Jim Schwartz.

The two CBs that Eagles fans considered completely worthless going on to provide quality starts for two different defenses, in two different defensive schemes, 4 weeks after being cut should be damning evidence for Jim Schwartz. Those picks aren't misses just because JIM can't figure out what to do with them.

Just like Golden Tate isn't a trash player because Mike Groh couldn't figure out what to do with him.

The GM can only get the talent, what is done with the talent, is up to the coaches.

That's something I really felt need to be said. It's time. Jim absolutely has to go.

Thanks for reading you guys, nice to see you all again. Let me know what you think. Will be around every so often.

@AmericanEagle77  I remember you from the old EMB.  

I agree, Gym Shortz has to go.  The question remains is does Howie also need to go?  How does this team continue to draft players that do NOT fit the scheme?  Is that a DC problem or a GM problem?  My issue has been that this team does NOT have all the oars in the boat rowing in the same direction in the same rhythm.  We need a DC who knows how to tweak his scheme to the players he has and a GM who knows how to draft the proper players to fit that scheme.  Seems we haven't been doing this for years now.  Square pegs in round holes.  This falls on Lurie, IMO.  Make sure your GM is in tune with your DC/OC (and having a true OC instead of OC by committee would be nice) to stock the cupboard with players that fit the schemes.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Glad you’re back. Been some crazy stuff said when you were gone. Was wondering where you were cause I knew you’d have said something. I try to stay out of CVON For that reason. But i realized we have a butts and boobs thread on here. I’m always the last to know about that. 

You should make it a daily habit to visit.  

13 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

@AmericanEagle77  I remember you from the old EMB.  

I agree, Gym Shortz has to go.  The question remains is does Howie also need to go?  How does this team continue to draft players that do NOT fit the scheme?  Is that a DC problem or a GM problem?  My issue has been that this team does NOT have all the oars in the boat rowing in the same direction in the same rhythm.  We need a DC who knows how to tweak his scheme to the players he has and a GM who knows how to draft the proper players to fit that scheme.  Seems we haven't been doing this for years now.  Square pegs in round holes.  This falls on Lurie, IMO.  Make sure your GM is in tune with your DC/OC (and having a true OC instead of OC by committee would be nice) to stock the cupboard with players that fit the schemes.

Nice to see you again.

Here's the thing. I think that's a very valid question. And while I say I'd keep Howie and give him a chance, I'm not here to resolve him of all blame. But I think for me, the most damning thing with Schwartz isn't just the CBs doing well elsewhere - that just draws attention to the core issue.

The core issue is...nearly since Jim Schwartz has been the DC here...the Eagles Defense has developed almost...no one.

The OL has managed to be a competent unit even in the worst of times throughout the years.  It's not even just Mailata. WR maybe hasn't been great. TE, well, we've developed several people. QB? We've used QBs effectively that others haven't been able to. RB? Look at what Boston Scott did last year. Corey Clement during the Super Bowl year.

Basically the only player that the defense has developed, in contrast, was Patrick Robinson, during the Super Bowl year.

So you're telling me in addition to not using the talent, they've completely failed at turning almost every young or talented yet undeveloped player into something significant, on defense.

For me, that's absolutely damning. I do agree that Howie may or may not be a piece we can work with on the GM side of things...but I don't think he's the worst GM ever by any stretch. I think he can get talent, but maybe isn't as scheme flexible as some of the best.

But Jim has shown even with talent he wants, he can't use them properly, like Slay. I think in light of that, we should try getting someone more player flexible as a DC - more of a kitchen cook than a guy who microwaves if you get my drift. And see how that goes.

53 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Here's the thing. I think that's a very valid question. And while I say I'd keep Howie and give him a chance, I'm not here to resolve him of all blame. But I think for me, the most damning thing with Schwartz isn't just the CBs doing well elsewhere - that just draws attention to the core issue.

You'd keep Howie? On what basis? From what evidence? The 2017 SB? Which is looking more and more like an outlier for a lot of players and coaches and Howie. 

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Even still, nothing much has changed.  Except my prediction.   Instead of 8-8, it’s now 7-8-1.   I can be wrong.   It’s allowed.   

Im surprised your going that high with wins. My prediction was 7/8 wins after the coaching decisions in Feb and stuck all the way till beginning of the season. Im now only expecting 5/6 which is mainly div games after a 1/4 way through the season. 

14 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

Remember, he's the worst QB in the NFL.

I always forget that.

14 hours ago, Original Sin said:

There are many CEOs who dont even have a college degree .

Tourette?

3 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

  

You're not the only one who's back. After seeing a few things, I felt the need to put my hat into the ring.

First of all, nice to see you all again. To those who remember me, I hope all you and your families are doing well. To those who don't...nice to meet you.

-----------------------------------------------------

I'll be honest, I've read a lot of posts, even since my departure. And boy, if I hear about DK Metcalf one more time, I might actually explode.

I'll give my full opinion on that later, but the long and short of that is...

If that dude got drafted here, the chance of him being injured is far higher than the chance he'd look like he does with Wilson.

-----------------------------------------------------

But that's not why I made an account back, today. The real reason, honestly, is because I feel some things need to be said. 

Let's talk about those "missed picks" of Howie's, recently.

Isn't it ironic that within 3-4 weeks of them being let go, Rasul Douglas and Sidney Jones have put up quality starts for another team? I do not think Howie Roseman is the best talent evaluator, he absolutely makes mistakes.

But I feel like the elephant in the room is being ignored because people are upset about things like the aforementioned DK Metcalf. I called out years ago that if we let Rasul go he'd be successful in a different scheme. But...I didn't call that out about Sidney Jones.

I think, despite Howie's mistakes, that shows something really important.

Jim Schwartz absolutely cannot figure out how to use the talent that Howie Roseman is able to draft.

You cannot combine a GM that is not transcendent (Read: Can change their draft style to fit their DC) with a DC that cannot adapt to their talent. One must go.

And if I had to pick, especially with Kris Richard sitting on the street, I'd actually keep Howie.

I don't think Howie is an amazing GM. I do think he has errors. But I absolutely think that he's being made to look actually worse than he is, because people are giving Jim the benefit of the doubt.

Playing Darius Slay 10 yards off should be damning evidence for Jim Schwartz.

The two CBs that Eagles fans considered completely worthless going on to provide quality starts for two different defenses, in two different defensive schemes, 4 weeks after being cut should be damning evidence for Jim Schwartz. Those picks aren't misses just because JIM can't figure out what to do with them.

Just like Golden Tate isn't a trash player because Mike Groh couldn't figure out what to do with him.

The GM can only get the talent, what is done with the talent, is up to the coaches.

That's something I really felt need to be said. It's time. Jim absolutely has to go.

Thanks for reading you guys, nice to see you all again. Let me know what you think. Will be around every so often.

Welcome back.  We've talked a lot about this: player development not just on D, but across the board.  Few players ever improve and many get worse.  We've been banging the drum of play to a players strength not to what the coaches want them to be.  Some in here have trouble with this but the evidence is indisputable.   This coaching staff is not able to help players get better rather they make them worse.  The one exception us Stoudtland and to a certain degree, Duce.  Those position groups do more with less.  

10 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That is true.  He apparently is a sucker for any type of minor play action, getting sucked up far too often and then can't get back in position afterwards, repeatedly.  And he never should have been asked to line up over Claypool on that 3rd down at the end, but he did and he was beat HORRIBLY.  And then there's the defensive call that led to him being there on that play.   If the LB has to line up on the slot, put him up close and let him get hands on him and disrupt his route, with the safety sitting over the top.  He just went scot free for the conversion, which then turned into an easy TD.  Multiple easy TDs, as a matter of fact for him today, far too many.

This defense lacks talent on the back end... all back 7 players, minus Slay could be upgraded fairly easily, if they had ANY money left to do it with.  The defense's success is simple... if the DL isn't 100% disruptive, the back end will get skewered.  That's a recipe for disaster.  Even as the DL was being very disruptive early in the game against Pittsburgh, they were still getting conversions with those shallow crossers and jet sweeps.  

 

Sooo as a slower player you are asked to cover a wide receiver what do you do at the snap? Either hit the guy or back-up. Gerry did neither, at this stage of his career should he have to be coached to do that?

12 minutes ago, greend said:

Sooo as a slower player you are asked to cover a wide receiver what do you do at the snap? Either hit the guy or back-up. Gerry did neither, at this stage of his career should he have to be coached to do that?

If he backs up its an underneath throw and he won't be able to keep up with the speed.  If he tries to hit him at the line he'd be by him quickly.  What he should have done is immediately called a TO.  That's the coaching i would have liked to see.   Gerry, or McLeod, or Schwartz runs down the sideline screeming for Doug to call a TO or Doug running onto the field to call a TO.  A leader doing something instead they all just said thank you sir may I have another?

5 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

If he backs up its an underneath throw and he won't be able to keep up with the speed.  If he tries to hit him at the line he'd be by him quickly.  What he should have done is immediately called a TO.  That's the coaching i would have liked to see.   Gerry, or McLeod, or Schwartz runs down the sideline screeming for Doug to call a TO or Doug running onto the field to call a TO.  A leader doing something instead they all just said thank you sir may I have another?

Those are the choices if a timeout isn't called. He did nothing. I'm not exonerating the coaching staff, they blew it big time.

39 minutes ago, greend said:

Sooo as a slower player you are asked to cover a wide receiver what do you do at the snap? Either hit the guy or back-up. Gerry did neither, at this stage of his career should he have to be coached to do that?

Yup.

26 minutes ago, greend said:

Those are the choices if a timeout isn't called. He did nothing. I'm not exonerating the coaching staff, they blew it big time.

Yeah.  Total choke job.

Defensive coordinator replacements options (assuming Doug is HC)

- Kris Richard
- Rod Marinelli
- Brent Venables (unlikely to leave)
- Jared Meyo (if they want to go the Pats route)
- George Edwards (DC under Zimmer)
- Marvin Lewis
- DeMeco Ryans (49ers LB coach). IMO, might be a year or two early for DeMeco, but that's coming.

My dream is Jim Leonhard (Wisconsin defensive coordinator). He played in the NFL. He's a top 3 college DC, who understands playing against both traditional offenses (Michigan) and spready teams (Ohio State). He's a future NFL/College HC when he's ready for that jump.

28 minutes ago, RLC said:

Defensive coordinator replacements options (assuming Doug is HC)

- Kris Richard
- Rod Marinelli
- Brent Venables (unlikely to leave)
- Jared Meyo (if they want to go the Pats route)
- George Edwards (DC under Zimmer)
- Marvin Lewis
- DeMeco Ryans (49ers LB coach). IMO, might be a year or two early for DeMeco, but that's coming.

My dream is Jim Leonhard (Wisconsin defensive coordinator). He played in the NFL. He's a top 3 college DC, who understands playing against both traditional offenses (Michigan) and spready teams (Ohio State). He's a future NFL/College HC when he's ready for that jump.

Of that list, Leonard seems to be the most highly thought of. He’s a 3-4 guy, right?

Edwards probably isn’t a great candidate. He didn’t call defensive plays in Minnesota and mutually parted ways with Zimmer to take a senior assistant position with Dallas. He also was fired after two years at the one DC where he did call plays. 

@4for4EaglesNest

You missed celebrating @Bacarty2’s big win this weekend. He also openly admitted he put money on the Steelers. You should congratulate him.