Wentz is going nowhere. Doug will keep defending him until there's a miraculous transformation
and Wentz gets his mojo working (highly unlikely) or they're both finally given the boot.

It would be interesting to see Hurts get a full week of practice and a full game,
but copycat Doug wants him to be Taysom Hill as he envisioned.

I don't think Doug does well when intense neural activity or imagination is required.
He's pretty much a journeyman coach.

 

"Maybe that concussion went to his head."  -  Yogi Berra ( or me, if Yogi didn't already say that )

55 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

Im not sure anyone would want Wentz. 

Doug and Howie wants him and if they don't wise up he's going to be the reason both of them are shown the door.

3 minutes ago, eaglegenius said:

It would be interesting to see Hurts get a full week of practice and a full game,
but copycat Doug wants him to be Taysom Hill as he envisioned.

I'd be surprised if Hurts is much better, his accuracy isn't anything to write home about either.

I don't think Wentz is getting traded, but if he did I am extremely confident that Jim Irsay, Chris Ballard and Frank Reich would be the first to talk to the Eagles and their 1st rounder would be readily available. They hold QB in extremely high regard. Jacoby Brissett was not a bad player in '19 and they still upgraded and also went out and got Jacob Eason in the 4th round. 

Can't even see a hesitation from them. 

Looking from afar, but...

Was Carson emotionally and psychologically scarred by the Foles Championship? Permanently and to the point that he needs a change of venue?

Possibly, ....the pressure to perform up to, or better Foles accomplishment may be too much for ol Carson

8 minutes ago, TidesofWar said:

Looking from afar, but...

Was Carson emotionally and psychologically scarred by the Foles Championship? Permanently and to the point that he needs a change of venue?

I don't think he was scarred, what you've seen is what you're gonna get which is mostly cold and a hot streak for a handful of games every other year.  

Everyone wants to point to 2017 but this is what I recall, he was clutch on 3rd downs, I called him Clutch Carson in 2017.  Problem is, the accuracy issues were present that year also, there were a lot of acrobatic catches from the receivers couple with larger backs that could keep the chains moving.

Chances are the Eagles will give him 2021 but that should be the last we see of Wentz.

Carson has had a myriad of injuries that have sapped his athleticism. Through all of that, he got married, had a child. The QB Carson is now, has been worn down to slightly above average. He has become too reliant on what he previously could do. He hasn't figured it out that, it isn't working. Just like Doug can't figure out how best to help his QB. During the SB run Reich/DiFillipo were on him about his mechanics, and footwork. Doug is too pacifying with him. I think as a person, a competitor it would affect anyone seeing your back up win the SB. But, I do not think that is what is at the root of his poor play currently. I just don't think Carson will reach that height of play again.

31 minutes ago, stinkfist said:

I don't think Wentz is getting traded, but if he did I am extremely confident that Jim Irsay, Chris Ballard and Frank Reich would be the first to talk to the Eagles and their 1st rounder would be readily available.

Take it and don't look back, Hurts will play better than Wentz.

me and a few others here said to trade Carson after 2018 season for a Kings Ransom. We were called Crazy!!!

HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok I had to say it

 

but seriously if we can get a 2nd right now im all in.

1 hour ago, manz2821 said:

I just don't get this offense.  Any team I watch i find receivers running free for easy catches and the Eagles even playing worst defenses it looks like all the receivers are covered. What is the issue. I know Wentz inaccuracy is part of it but there has to be something else. Are the play designers on the Eagles so bad or the players just don't know to run routes and get open.

It appears to be a number of issues which all conspire to make this team mediocre to bad on any given day.

Wentz has basically no long-ball accuracy so the defenses adjust accordingly.  The dink & dunk stuff only

works for so long.  Sanders looks good on the ground with periodic flashes but then when they're down by 11 

at the half the entire NFL universe knows Wentz is mumbling & fumbling his way in the passing game.  Giants D

came to play in the first half. I can't tell you what they did in the 2nd half b/c I shut the game off just before half 

time.  The team sucks and I just can't watch it any more.        

Press Taylor - dude has no business being a QB coach, period 

1 hour ago, TidesofWar said:

Looking from afar, but...

Was Carson emotionally and psychologically scarred by the Foles Championship? Permanently and to the point that he needs a change of venue?

In part, yes, which means that his mental toughness was poorly evaluated from the start by this team.

I do believe that with a change in coaching here, Wentz can improve slightly, but I believe he is headed down the Foles road: brilliant for a game or series then dreck.  A change of venue will help for a while, but he is damaged goods thanks to the QB Factory.

It all goes back to talent evaulation, i.e., Howie.

3 hours ago, Birdman said:

From what I gather, Reich is still enamored w/ Wentz. 

With Rivers only being on a 1-year contract, I wonder if they could package Carson & Zach and/or Alshon to Indy? 

Eagles are just going to need to eat his salary, because every time he steps on the field, his stock and our leverage depreciates...

How have you gathered that? Not saying it's not true, but has Reich said that?

2 hours ago, TidesofWar said:

Looking from afar, but...

Was Carson emotionally and psychologically scarred by the Foles Championship? Permanently and to the point that he needs a change of venue?

I think the Clowney hit could've affected him. He supposedly was really bad in the locker room and his wife was crying.  He isn't processing things. He can't hardly execute a 3 and 5 step drop and get the ball out. His technique was better his rookie year. It's hard to recall a 5 year QB whose skills have regressed to the point that the player plays worse than his rookie year.  

6 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I think the Clowney hit could've affected him. He supposedly was really bad in the locker room and his wife was crying.  He isn't processing things. He can't hardly execute a 3 and 5 step drop and get the ball out. His technique was better his rookie year. It's hard to recall a 5 year QB whose skills have regressed to the point that the player plays worse than his rookie year.  

Lots of QBs have had bad injuries and come back, sometimes more than once, to be as good or maybe even better than they were. Philip Rivers and Kurt Warner come to mind immediately. This is a game where the injury rate is 100%. And by the way, that's a quote I got directly from Wentz himself. I agree that he is not processing things mentally as well as he should. There is something seriously off with him but the organization isn't doing him any favors with garbage playcalling and constantly coddling him.

You all wanted Carson to stop playing "hero ball" and stay within the structure of this offense. Welp he did that today and we all saw something we already knew, the structure of this offense is ass. Without Carson playing "hero ball" does this team have 3 wins? I'm not so sure.

I'd love to see Wentz with a different coaching staff but I don't think that'll happen in Philly...oh well.

7 hours ago, time2rock said:

It’s too bad he started to suck the big one just after we paid him $130M.  The way his contract is structured, we’re basically hitched to him for at least the next 2 years.  If we’d be willing to take a $15M dead money hit to the cap in 2023 we could cut bait then.  

I mean look... The way I see it? Sure its a bad contract to have on the books and it's far from ideal but that isn't reason to stick with him. We have Hurts on the bench, let's assess what we have there for the next 7 games. We can then look to draft a young QB in the next couple of years so they'll be cheap too. Cap hit is not a reason to stick with Wentz. 

You know what? I don't think so. 

I mean if he has been then he's never going to make it as a good NFL QB because he clearly doesn't have the mental strength to do so. 

But I don't think that's the issue. I think the issue here is he's not the same QB. Now that could be due to the injuries? I think a big part of that is the coaching he's getting from Taylor but overall the issue is Wentz. He's not a good QB because he's not accurate and he plays hero ball. And when he doesn't play hero ball he lacks the accuracy to stand in the pocket and win with arm.

Yesterday he didn't pay hero ball. A few times he threw the ball away when there was nothing there. But there was also nothing from the offense through the air. Why? Because he wasn't playing hero ball and so he wasn't making those jaw dropping plays. 

People will argue that's unfair. That he's dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. That we complain when he plays hero ball and we complain when he doesn't. The reality is, he's a QB incapable of doing anything other than hero ball. 

I don't think it's a mental thing, I think he's just a small school QB who went on a one season tear up and has dined out on it ever since, I look at his overall W-L record and wonder why Wentz's 2017 was so easy for fans to believe that's his baseline whereas Foles 2 hot streaks are dismissed as such without a second thought. 

Wentz has had one great year and 3 average ones, he's had a great O Line for 4 or his 5 years, and a great safety blanket TE that's enabled him to play low risk percentage football over the middle since the Superbowl and that's been enough in a dreadful division, while the teams offensive problems have been blamed on the receivers and the playcalling, this year both the O Line and the Tight End have disappeared and hey presto here we are, with a small school QB with a reputation that is bigger than his record.

 

8 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

wonder why Wentz's 2017 was so easy for fans to believe that's his baseline whereas Foles 2 hot streaks are dismissed as such without a second thought. 

Great great point there. And hey I'm one of those who dismiss the Foles hot streak so I can completely understand what you are saying here. 

Wentz since 2017 now has a losing record. I think he's 17-18-1 or something like that. And that's not a small sample size. 

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean look... The way I see it? Sure its a bad contract to have on the books and it's far from ideal but that isn't reason to stick with him. We have Hurts on the bench, let's assess what we have there for the next 7 games. We can then look to draft a young QB in the next couple of years so they'll be cheap too. Cap hit is not a reason to stick with Wentz. 

I am not saying that isn't what I'd like to see too, but I just don't think that is the path forward Doug will take.  He is a stubborn SOB ... he refuses to even consider giving up play calling duties when the offense is obviously in a serious funk (and has been for 2 1/2 years), won't change the scheme when various players are missing to try to play to their strengths (the way they did when Wentz went down in 2017 and they changed the offense to fit a style that would cater to Foles' strengths ... which BTW Nick credited Reich for, not Doug), and he will stick by Wentz to allow him to work through his problems to try to correct them.  I believe so long as Doug is HC, Wentz is our starting QB.  

It’s time to sit his ass down and see what Hurts has. Maybe he ends up sucking, but you don’t know that until you get him some starts. If he shows out for the rest of the season, then you call up Indy and see what they’ll give for Wentz in the offseason. 
 

Not that I think any of this WILL happen, but it should.