47 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Imagine how stupid you have to be to support a party that just openly encourages hoards of illegals to invade the country with tax payer funded handouts and then brags about it. DCotP  

 

 

meg heard pop pop say the word lick and he's instantly at full-mast. 

Boy, libertarians are sure going to hate this!  

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Boy, libertarians are sure going to hate this!  

Just look at this forum.  They've been all over here, defending every indefensible statement and action since the beginning.  How much do you think that these in-house administration officials get paid to spend all day, every day, defending this disaster?

8 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Just look at this forum.  They've been all over here, defending every indefensible statement and action since the beginning.  How much do you think that these in-house administration officials get paid to spend all day, every day, defending this disaster?

😂😂😂😂😂. 

15 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

 How much do you think that these in-house administration officials get paid to spend all day, every day, defending this disaster?

24 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Just look at this forum.  They've been all over here, defending every indefensible statement and action since the beginning.  How much do you think that these in-house administration officials get paid to spend all day, every day, defending this disaster?

 

4 hours ago, Kz! said:

Boy, libertarians are sure going to hate this!  

Yeah, it's a violation of the 5th amendment. The best thing to do would probably be to vote for the guy who suggested we do away with the constitution all together. 

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

Yeah, it's a violation of the 5th amendment. The best thing to do would probably be to vote for the guy who suggested we do away with the constitution all together. 

How does the government reading publicly available message board activity violate the 5th amendment? 

To be sure I don't love it. But it's the same sort of thing as cameras in public spaces and the library of Congress keeping copies of newspapers.

9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

How does the government reading publicly available message board activity violate the 5th amendment? 

To be sure I don't love it. But it's the same sort of thing as cameras in public spaces and the library of Congress keeping copies of newspapers.

If they are infiltrating private groups without a warrant, it violates the fifth amendment. 

Biden walks onstage to Dropkick Murphys in Ireland. 

It is refreshing to have a POTUS that is respected by our allies around the world 

12 minutes ago, Gannan said:

If they are infiltrating private groups without a warrant, it violates the fifth amendment. 

It depends, but either way I didn't read it that way. Monitoring sites and chatrooms isn't the same as "infiltrating private groups". 

And if they're let in by an admin or have an informant they're not doing anything against the 5th. 

Even this message board I don't consider "private". If any idiot can sign up (which is obviously true) and say stupid maybe incriminating things (also true) I'd consider this a domain that law enforcement can operate as it might in any public business. 

59 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

It depends, but either way I didn't read it that way. Monitoring sites and chatrooms isn't the same as "infiltrating private groups". 

And if they're let in by an admin or have an informant they're not doing anything against the 5th. 

It depends on why they are there.  And if they apply are let in without probable cause it is a violation of the fifth as well as the fourth.

58 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Even this message board I don't consider "private". If any idiot can sign up (which is obviously true) and say stupid maybe incriminating things (also true) I'd consider this a domain that law enforcement can operate as it might in any public business. 

I’m pretty sure Greenskeeper’s a narc. 

On 4/14/2023 at 8:59 AM, Boogyman said:

I've been flourishing. I dunno what his problems are, probably self inflicted IMO.

Mooching off your wife is flourishing…

 

if you are a parasite

26 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Mooching off your wife is flourishing…

 

if you are a parasite

I eat well every night. The rest you can debate with yourself lmao.

On 4/14/2023 at 5:54 PM, Gannan said:

If they are infiltrating private groups without a warrant, it violates the fifth amendment. 

It just means they can't use what they find in a court of law. 

I don't know if joining a publicly accessible message board, for example, is a breach of the 5th amendment. The EMB only requires an email verification (I guess). 

If some idiot was posting national security secrets here, and a cop happened to see it OR an account associated with a federal agency that was a bot scanning these posts, I would imagine that would hold up in a court of law. 

If it's 100% private and the information wasn't from an informant it would be less clear to me. That's where automated capture of this information might mean a lead that isn't admissable but may still be ultimately usable in either identifying the leak and preventing further release of information, or through and informant who's flipped by the govt. 

On 4/14/2023 at 6:38 PM, BBE said:

It depends on why they are there.  And if they apply are let in without probable cause it is a violation of the fifth as well as the fourth.

If the admin lets them in on their own volition I don't see how it's a violation. 

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

If the admin lets them in on their own volition I don't see how it's a violation. 

Probable cause still applies. The government cannot legally monitor chat rooms or anyone without specific cause. 

 

This is worse than the Patriot Act.

8 minutes ago, BBE said:

Probable cause still applies. The government cannot legally monitor chat rooms or anyone without specific cause. 

 

This is worse than the Patriot Act.

What you write/share through a 3rd party such as a message board or even a chat service like Discord is NOT guaranteed to be private. 

Generally speaking companies do not share information unless there's a warrant compelling them, but they're free to share whatever they want. 

And if you post something on a publicly accessible media site - Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, even the EMB - it would be impossible to highly unlikely that you could claim privacy protection, as there's no expectation of privacy. 

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

What you write/share through a 3rd party such as a message board or even a chat service like Discord is NOT guaranteed to be private. 

Generally speaking companies do not share information unless there's a warrant compelling them, but they're free to share whatever they want. 

And if you post something on a publicly accessible media site - Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, even the EMB - it would be impossible to highly unlikely that you could claim privacy protection, as there's no expectation of privacy. 

This has nothing to do with privacy.  It is unlawful search.

The difference is whether a chat room is public or private. I actually think the discord server that this guy used would be considered a public chat room.

Just now, BBE said:

This has nothing to do with privacy.  It is unlawful search.

If you post something that is readily accessible to the public, then it's accessible to law enforcement without a warrant and thus admissable in court. 

It has everything to do with privacy because the expectation of privacy is generally the standard for whether something is protected by the 4th amendment. 

If a cop sees a crime or evidence of a crime in plain view, that information is admissable without a warrant. The same standard has been upheld for publicly posted information online. 

2 hours ago, BBE said:

Probable cause still applies. The government cannot legally monitor chat rooms or anyone without specific cause. 

 

This is worse than the Patriot Act.

They do not need probable cause to monitor a public chat room, and don’t see why they would need it to have someone apply to a private chat room. I see it as being no different than a CI or a cop going undercover. 

Worse than the Patriot Act? 😂😂😂😂