April 17, 20233 yr Private chatrooms actually do require a warrant. It goes to the reasonable expectation of privacy.
April 17, 20233 yr 17 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Private chatrooms actually do require a warrant. It goes to the reasonable expectation of privacy. To "tap” them yes, but does law enforcement need a warrant to plant a CI or undercover agent in a private organization?
April 17, 20233 yr 1 minute ago, Tnt4philly said: To "tap” them yes, but does law enforcement need a warrant to plant a CI or undercover agent in a private organization? Actually it does past 24hrs.
April 17, 20233 yr 37 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: They do not need probable cause to monitor a public chat room, and don’t see why they would need it to have someone apply to a private chat room. I see it as being no different than a CI or a cop going undercover. Worse than the Patriot Act? 😂😂😂😂 What's next? The "libertarian" is going to say "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" ? The fourth amendment is truly dead.
April 17, 20233 yr 6 minutes ago, BBE said: What's next? The "libertarian" is going to say "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" ? The fourth amendment is truly dead. Your understanding of the 4th amendment is incorrect in any age.
April 17, 20233 yr 12 minutes ago, BBE said: What's next? The "libertarian" is going to say "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" ? The fourth amendment is truly dead. Took the easy way out. 😂😂😂😂
April 17, 20233 yr 40 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: To "tap” them yes, but does law enforcement need a warrant to plant a CI or undercover agent in a private organization? Yeah. An informant though is a different matter.
April 17, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Your understanding of the 4th amendment is incorrect in any age. Yeah. The reasonable expectation of privacy is the test for exclusion of evidence per recent rulings of SCOTUS.
April 17, 20233 yr 54 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Took the easy way out. 😂😂😂😂 Says the guy who says the government can use CI or undercover infiltration without warrants or probable cause.
April 17, 20233 yr 2 minutes ago, BBE said: Yeah. The reasonable expectation of privacy is the test for exclusion of evidence per recent rulings of SCOTUS. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy on a chat forum. If you are too stupid to not understand this fact you deserve everything that is coming to you. You can’t fix stupid
April 17, 20233 yr 3 hours ago, BBE said: This has nothing to do with privacy. It is unlawful search.
April 17, 20233 yr 13 minutes ago, BBE said: Yeah. The reasonable expectation of privacy is the test for exclusion of evidence per recent rulings of SCOTUS. For example?
April 17, 20233 yr 8 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: For example? That is the case law going back to the Katz decision. If a private group is formed, the expectation of privacy can be asserted (although not tested). I see you are avoiding your previous statement regarding warrantless undercover infiltration.
April 17, 20233 yr 21 minutes ago, BBE said: Says the guy who says the government can use CI or undercover infiltration without warrants or probable cause. Quote The courts do not require a warrant before the police initiate an undercover assignment, nor is the obtaining of incriminating information and evidence of a crime considered a violation of privacy rights or search and seizure laws. Quote no such warrant is required if the police gain access to a person's property and personal habits through deceptive means. Exceptions are noted https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/privacy-and-police-undercover-work
April 17, 20233 yr 21 minutes ago, barho said: There is no reasonable expectation of privacy on a chat forum. If you are too stupid to not understand this fact you deserve everything that is coming to you. You can’t fix stupid Depends on the forum. It is an interesting precedent actually given pseudonyms, no verification of any other information besides an email address which can all be averted by simple means and vpns.
April 17, 20233 yr 4 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Exceptions are noted https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/privacy-and-police-undercover-work Did you read the entire reference? The in excess of 24 hr requiring a warrant clause is further down. Nice try.
April 17, 20233 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I have no idea what that is supposed to mean, but it's pretty disturbing.... meg is fixated on biden licking things.
April 17, 20233 yr 16 hours ago, BBE said: Did you read the entire reference? The in excess of 24 hr requiring a warrant clause is further down. Nice try. Did you read my note about the "exceptions being noted?”
April 17, 20233 yr 9 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Did you read my note about the "exceptions being noted?” Did you list said "exceptions"? Or did said "exceptions" clearly state it as a requirement?
April 17, 20233 yr He wants gun manufacturers to be liable for crimes committed with their weapons. For reference, when Hillary suggested this in 2016, it was too far left for Bernie Sanders. "No ones coming for your guns!"
April 18, 20233 yr 18 hours ago, Kz! said: He wants gun manufacturers to be liable for crimes committed with their weapons. For reference, when Hillary suggested this in 2016, it was too far left for Bernie Sanders. "No ones coming for your guns!" "Take the guns first, go through due process second”
April 18, 20233 yr 20 hours ago, Kz! said: He wants gun manufacturers to be liable for crimes committed with their weapons. For reference, when Hillary suggested this in 2016, it was too far left for Bernie Sanders. "No ones coming for your guns!" Where does it end? Why stop at the gun manufacturer when it's no good without the ammo? Maybe go after the bullet, case, primer and powder manufacturers as well. Are the car manufacturers going to be held accountable when someone drives through a crowd? Will alcohol companies be liable for deaths caused by drunks? Will politicians be held accountable for crimes committed by someone who is let go without bail? What about the manufacturer of the #2 pencil used to fail a test, can they be sued?
April 20, 20233 yr On 4/17/2023 at 3:58 PM, Kz! said: He wants gun manufacturers to be liable for crimes committed with their weapons. For reference, when Hillary suggested this in 2016, it was too far left for Bernie Sanders. "No ones coming for your guns!" The 22 yo with pink hair running his twitter is a riot
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