July 18, 20232 yr "presidents don't really impact the economy that much, but don't forget about the Trump economy!"
July 18, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: "presidents don't really impact the economy that much, but don't forget about the Trump economy!" But...what about 2030?
July 18, 20232 yr I don't broadly disagree that presidents have generally a minor effect on the economy in the near term and that policies often aren't actually felt until years later. Especially when legislation is written so that certain effects expire, such as tax breaks for wage earners from Trump's tax bill. Which is why acting like Trump was some economic wizard was always hilariously stupid. The main impact presidents have IMHO is in economic sentiment. MAGAs all thought the economy was awesome Jan 21 2017, and terrible Jan 21 2021. Likewise anti-Trumpers all thought Trump would tank the economy. The reality is that Trump was going to treat the economy the same way he runs his business .. that is to say he devalued long-term thinking (which he's provably incapable of) and cared only about looking good in the short term. Almost every move he made related to the economy was about improving short term numbers, regardless of their long term effect .. he even boasted about how "he wouldn't be there" when his contribution to the national debt (which was significant long before Covid) caused problems for the nation.
July 18, 20232 yr 34 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I don't broadly disagree that presidents have generally a minor effect on the economy in the near term and that policies often aren't actually felt until years later. Especially when legislation is written so that certain effects expire, such as tax breaks for wage earners from Trump's tax bill. Which is why acting like Trump was some economic wizard was always hilariously stupid. The main impact presidents have IMHO is in economic sentiment. MAGAs all thought the economy was awesome Jan 21 2017, and terrible Jan 21 2021. Likewise anti-Trumpers all thought Trump would tank the economy. The reality is that Trump was going to treat the economy the same way he runs his business .. that is to say he devalued long-term thinking (which he's provably incapable of) and cared only about looking good in the short term. Almost every move he made related to the economy was about improving short term numbers, regardless of their long term effect .. he even boasted about how "he wouldn't be there" when his contribution to the national debt (which was significant long before Covid) caused problems for the nation. When Republicans mention the debt I start to nod off. It's the flimsiest, most transparently bullsheet talking point they have. It's literally just math and if you only give an F about math when you're out of power then you don't really care at all. I also love it when the right makes the stupid "but what about Trump's economy before Covid" argument. Biden has had to deal with the aftermath of Covid. It's baked into his numbers too (inflation, supply problems, etc.) just like every other President has had to play the cards they were dealt. No one gives any of them a selective pass, but for some insane reason, Republicans only want Trump judged on 3 of his 4 years (and even those were objective disasters in 100 different ways).
July 18, 20232 yr Trump had a blessed presidency up until Covid. No major disasters, no international crises. He had exactly one crisis to deal with in 4 years, and instead of stepping up and putting the country first he made it all about himself repeatedly, bungling a political gift along the way. A competent president would get a rallying effect. Instead we get "bleach injections" and "UV rays"
July 18, 20232 yr 32 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Trump had a blessed presidency up until Covid. No major disasters, no international crises. He had exactly one crisis to deal with in 4 years, and instead of stepping up and putting the country first he made it all about himself repeatedly, bungling a political gift along the way. A competent president would get a rallying effect. Instead we get "bleach injections" and "UV rays" Lol so covid was a political gift??? I guess enough time has passed where you feel like you can make up blatant nonsense and no one will question it. There was nothing anyone could have done about covid and the data bears out that indisputable fact. Biden did literally nothing about it either. What it did do was destroy the economy which opened up the only window the Dems had for winning that election.
July 18, 20232 yr 16 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Lol so covid was a political gift??? Of course it was. When 911 hit, Bush's poll numbers sky rocketed. It rode him to re-election even after starting an unnecessary war. Tragedy rallies the country...unless you're a divisive idiot like Trump holding daily press conferences about who everyone should blame and what crackpot unproven anti-parasitic drugs everyone should take. If he wasn't such a disgusting scumbag he would've cruised to re-election because, not in spite of, Covid.
July 18, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Of course it was. When 911 hit, Bush's poll numbers sky rocketed. It rode him to re-election even after starting an unnecessary war. Tragedy rallies the country...unless you're a divisive idiot like Trump holding daily press conferences about who everyone should blame and what crackpot unproven anti-parasitic drugs everyone should take. If he wasn't such a disgusting scumbag he would've cruised to re-election because, not in spite of, Covid. 9/11 was 100% different and not at all analogous to covid. We were attacked by a foreign adversary. And back then the media would never have crossed the line and blamed Bush for that the way they did with Trump and covid. And just curious, how did the Afghanistan pullout "gift" help Biden? So easy, what a gift that was for him! The fact that you guys are riding with this narrative makes me think youre all drunk. The media (and you all) went into absolute hysteria over covid and there was literally nothing anyone could have done about it. But we had daily death trackers and it was handled like Trump was personally coughing covid into everyones mouths. It was a total farce and transparently political to anyond with a brain cell. Reality has now proven how ridiculous it was but youre all still pretending like it wasnt a huge political lie.
July 18, 20232 yr It's really confusing why voters might've lost confidence in the guy who was airlifted to Walter Reed mere days after he made fun of Biden for wearing a mask in his presence.
July 18, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: 9/11 was 100% different and not at all analogous to covid. We were attacked by a foreign adversary. And back then the media would never have crossed the line and blamed Bush for that the way they did with Trump and covid. Of course it's analogous to Covid. Both were huge national tragedies that gave an opportunity to rally the country. Honestly, any adult could've rallied the country behind it. But Trump's not an adult, he's a petulant child who sees everything by what he can extract from it. The irony is that his constant cowardice and fear of being held responsible is the reason why he took so much blame. Basically, he played himself. Quote And just curious, how did the Afghanistan pullout "gift" help Biden? So easy, what a gift that was for him! Obviously the Afghanistan pullout isn't even in the same conversation as the other two. 13 soldiers died halfway across the world in a war where thousands of soldiers had already died. 9/11 killed thousands of civilians and Covid has killed over a million. I realize in the world of right wing media, the Afghanistan pullout was the greatest tragedy the world has ever seen but in the real world it was the unfortunately inevitable result of leaving a war that had gone on for way too long. Quote The fact that you guys are riding with this narrative makes me think youre all drunk. The media (and you all) went into absolute hysteria over covid and there was literally nothing anyone could have done about it. But we had daily death trackers and it was handled like Trump was personally coughing covid into everyones mouths. It was a total farce and transparently political to anyond with a brain cell. Reality has now proven how ridiculous it was but youre all still pretending like it wasnt a huge political lie. Again, none of what you're saying happens to a normal President. Trump thrives on conflict. He brings it on himself. He does everything he can to create it between himself and the media. And on top of that, he's Nixon-level paranoid about how he's perceived. So while a normal President/adult would've seen the numbers ticking up on the news as a reason to calm the country, he saw it as a personal attack on him. Again, Trump's own personal flaws were why he failed so badly. He's a damaged, weird, childish loser. Stop defending him.
July 18, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: It's really confusing why voters might've lost confidence in the guy who was airlifted to Walter Reed mere days after he made fun of Biden for wearing a mask in his presence. Did you lose confidence when Biden promised to end it and actually did nothing instead? Or when Trump handed him a layup where he could have claimed the victory for ending the Afghan war, and instead just surrendered to terrorists because he forgot about it?
July 18, 20232 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: Of course it's analogous to Covid. Both were huge national tragedies that gave an opportunity to rally the country. Honestly, any adult could've rallied the country behind it. But Trump's not an adult, he's a petulant child who sees everything by what he can extract from it. The irony is that his constant cowardice and fear of being held responsible is the reason why he took so much blame. Basically, he played himself. Obviously the Afghanistan pullout isn't even in the same conversation as the other two. 13 soldiers died halfway across the world in a war where thousands of soldiers had already died. 9/11 killed thousands of civilians and Covid has killed over a million. I realize in the world of right wing media, the Afghanistan pullout was the greatest tragedy the world has ever seen but in the real world it was the unfortunately inevitable result of leaving a war that had gone on for way too long. Again, none of what you're saying happens to a normal President. Trump thrives on conflict. He brings it on himself. He does everything he can to create it between himself and the media. And on top of that, he's Nixon-level paranoid about how he's perceived. So while a normal President/adult would've seen the numbers ticking up on the news as a reason to calm the country, he saw it as a personal attack on him. Again, Trump's own personal flaws were why he failed so badly. He's a damaged, weird, childish loser. Stop defending him. Oh so your analogy comparing a virus to an act of war is fine but mine isnt. Interesting. And how the hell could he have rallied the country around covid when the press was calling him a murderer and racist every single minute and blaming him for covid in the first place? He was immediately put on the defensive because the media saw it as a political opportunity. And thus we get the unifying Daily Death Tracker. Sorry not letting you all change the narrative. The fact that you think devastating the economy was somehow a gift is one of the dumbest pieces of revisionist history Ive ever seen.
July 18, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Did you lose confidence when Biden promised to end it and actually did nothing instead? Or when Trump handed him a layup where he could have claimed the victory for ending the Afghan war, and instead just surrendered to terrorists because he forgot about it? He released 5K Taliban soldiers
July 18, 20232 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: He released 5K Taliban soldiers Biden surrendered an entire country to them
July 18, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Did you lose confidence when Biden promised to end it and actually did nothing instead? Or when Trump handed him a layup where he could have claimed the victory for ending the Afghan war, and instead just surrendered to terrorists because he forgot about it? Biden has my confidence up until the point he attempts to subvert democracy by submitting false slates of electors and when that fails, radicalizes his followers into domestic terrorists to threaten the life of his own VP and desecrate a national monument. Stand back and stand by, Michael!
July 18, 20232 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Biden surrendered an entire country to them Biden thankfully left Afghanistan. Who gives an F who has control of that sheethole?
July 18, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Oh so your analogy comparing a virus to an act of war is fine but mine isnt. Interesting. Of course. If you think the Afghanistan pull out is on par with 9/11 as far as national tragedies then you're too dumb to argue with.
July 18, 20232 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: Biden thankfully left Afghanistan. Who gives an F who has control of that sheethole? You do, because you just criticized Trump for releasing prisoners when Biden immediately made the entire country the Taliban. Trump literally teed that up for Biden, all he had to do was give 2 ishs and even try to plan the withdrawal. Instead he forgot to do his homework, woke up the day of the exam and said "Its cool our Afghan partners have this totally handed" 'a few hours later.....'
July 18, 20232 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: You do, because you just criticized Trump for releasing prisoners when Biden immediately made the entire country the Taliban. I made fun of your layup comment, dumb F. Quote Trump literally teed that up for Biden And you're right back to it. Again, you're too dumb to argue with.
July 18, 20232 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: Of course. If you think the Afghanistan pull out is on par with 9/11 as far as national tragedies then you're too dumb to argue with. We werent measuring national tragedies, we're talking about if they were political opportunities or not. There was nothing anyone could have done about covid. Even if Trump dreamed up some obviously-BS national plan, it would have inevitably failed and you'd have blamed him anyway. It was a politically unsolvable problem, as evidenced by Bidens failure to do literally anything to stop it.
July 18, 20232 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: I made fun of your layup comment, dumb F. And you're right back to it. Again, you're too dumb to argue with. Oh it must have been just too hilarious of a joke.
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