July 19, 20233 yr 2 hours ago, vikas83 said: Uh...bro? https://www.npr.org/2016/03/12/470130961/fact-check-republican-candidates-on-keeping-or-changing-social-security But he had a plan! Just "make the country rich again” so we can afford it!
July 19, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: At least the GOP some times offers up a solution. Well…..not the lead GOP candidate, which is the problem.
July 19, 20233 yr 51 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Of course there was a conservative movement. But it went from being about policies and issues that excited conservative voters to being about the whims of one guy. The whole party bows to that gigantic turd because he’s so popular among Republicans. But he’s not popular enough anymore to win a national election. When did this conservative movement begin then? The 1850s?
July 19, 20233 yr 37 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: When does this classical GOP return happen? Before or after they nominate him for the 3rd straight time? Also, does it coincide with exiling every conservative from the party if they dare criticize Trump? Ok let's say Trump gets hit by a bus tomorrow. Does the GOP remain the party of Trump forever? If not, why? He killed the movement.
July 19, 20233 yr 7 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Ok let's say Trump gets hit by a bus tomorrow. Does the GOP remain the party of Trump forever? If not, why? He killed the movement. The fact that you believe the only way to end this loser's stranglehold on the party is for him to literally stop breathing, despite the fact that the Republican voters decide who wins the nomination tells you all you need to know about what happens when he's gone. This is what they want. They want National Socialism. It's the future of the right unfortunately.
July 19, 20233 yr 16 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: The fact that you believe the only way to end this loser's stranglehold on the party is for him to literally stop breathing, despite the fact that the Republican voters decide who wins the nomination tells you all you need to know about what happens when he's gone. This is what they want. They want National Socialism. It's the future of the right unfortunately. Ummm you inferred that, I didnt imply it and certainly didn't say that. Im just making a point. If he killed the "conservative movement" that means its dead. So Im just curious what happens to the GOP after Trump, if there will be no return of traditional conservative values as the party has had for literally decades. "National socialism" is certainly one answer. Its probably the most insane and far fetched, but sure!
July 19, 20233 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Ummm you inferred that, I didnt imply it and certainly didn't say that. Im just making a point. If he killed the "conservative movement" that means its dead. So Im just curious what happens to the GOP after Trump, if there will be no return of traditional conservative values as the party has had for literally decades. "National socialism" is certainly one answer. Its probably the most insane and far fetched, but sure! National Socialism/Populist Nationalism/Right Wing Authoritarianism, whatever you want to call it, it's where the Republican Party is right now. Will they change in the future? Sure, every party changes in time, but there's no reason to believe it will stop with Trump. It's way too popular and avoids a lot of the electoral pratfalls that go along with conservatism.
July 19, 20233 yr 31 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: When did this conservative movement begin then? The 1850s? You ever heard of a guy named Barry Goldwater? How about William F. Buckley? Phyllis Schlafly? Jerry Falwell? James Dobson?
July 19, 20233 yr 2 hours ago, Mike31mt said: You, former libertarian, actually believes this? We all know its a ponzi scheme. Can we stop this bull ish charade please? It’s amazing how you guys went from staunch libertarian to ishlib posters. Many libertarians just want to pull the plug on SS and abruptly end it. Many realize that you can’t just pull the plug in something people have paid into their entire lives and would rather give workers an option. The LPs last POTUS candidate, Jo Jorgensen, was a fan of the 6.2% solution.
July 19, 20233 yr 43 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Ummm you inferred that, I didnt imply it and certainly didn't say that. So WTF does getting hit by a bus imply? 😂😂😂
July 19, 20233 yr 50 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: You ever heard of a guy named Barry Goldwater? How about William F. Buckley? Phyllis Schlafly? Jerry Falwell? James Dobson? So Trump killed the conservative movement from roughly 80 years ago? You sure? Abortion was literally overturned after his term. Im wondering what, exactly, he killed from the 1950s era GOP?
July 19, 20233 yr 13 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: So WTF does getting hit by a bus imply? 😂😂😂 I was using it to frame my point, you can pretend he retires from politics, gets abducted by aliens, whatever floats your boat. My point is that if he killed the movement, then what happens when hes out of the picture? Our only answer so far is National Socialism so you shouldn't need much effort to beat that prognostication
July 19, 20233 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: So Trump killed the conservative movement from roughly 80 years ago? You sure? Abortion was literally overturned after his term. Im wondering what, exactly, he killed from the 1950s era GOP? I’m sure the conservative movement in it’s current iteration doesn’t care about policy. It’s all about kowtowing to Trump.
July 19, 20233 yr 51 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Many libertarians just want to pull the plug on SS and abruptly end it. Many realize that you can’t just pull the plug in something people have paid into their entire lives and would rather give workers an option. The LPs last POTUS candidate, Jo Jorgensen, was a fan of the 6.2% solution. I’d be completely fine with not getting any of the money I put in back, so long as I wouldn’t have to put any in moving forward. An immediate minimum 6.1% raise sounds great.
July 20, 20233 yr It was a split second decision. Either num num num or pull my finger. I think he chose right.
July 20, 20233 yr 15 hours ago, Mike31mt said: So Trump killed the conservative movement from roughly 80 years ago? You sure? Abortion was literally overturned after his term. Im wondering what, exactly, he killed from the 1950s era GOP? Trump has done a great deal for this social conservative movement. He turned on the gays returning them to second class citizen status and brought back the coat hanger. He isn't a fiscal conservative on any level and under his "leadership" the party has abandoned the entire concept.
July 20, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: Trump has done a great deal for this social conservative movement. He turned on the gays returning them to second class citizen status and brought back the coat hanger. He isn't a fiscal conservative on any level and under his "leadership" the party has abandoned the entire concept. Yep. On the old boards, I started a couple threads where I posted random unattributed quotes to show how similar Trump's fiscal views were to that of Bernie Sanders. Anyone who thinks Trump is fiscally conservative needs to undergo the same battery of cognitive tests that he did.
July 20, 20233 yr 19 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yep. On the old boards, I started a couple threads where I posted random unattributed quotes to show how similar Trump's fiscal views were to that of Bernie Sanders. Anyone who thinks Trump is fiscally conservative needs to undergo the same battery of cognitive tests that he did. Trump has no guiding philosophy or principles. He'll simply do whatever gets the loudest applause line. He lacks the required level of intelligence to actually hold policy positions.
July 20, 20233 yr 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Trump has no guiding philosophy or principles. He'll simply do whatever gets the loudest applause line. He lacks the required level of intelligence to actually hold policy positions. If he wins, the expansion of Presidential Power will be unprecedented and bad for the Country. Trump has said, As President, I can do whatever I want, should scare any voter, who cares about the Country.
July 20, 20233 yr 8 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Trump has no guiding philosophy or principles. He'll simply do whatever gets the loudest applause line.
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