August 11, 20232 yr 18 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Im an independent and have been anti perma-war since George Bush. Its cool that the Dems are the new neocon warmongers though. Do you just sit down and think, "What ridiculous word salad can I throw out now?"
August 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: The inspections that took place during the deal found the exact opposite. I know, I know, that can't be because 'black man bad' and feelings. Like I've said before, give it time. Thankfully, Obama's deal took 98% of their enriched uranium. And, yes, obviously the guy who tore up the deal, lied about renegotiating a better deal and broke any chance and a positive resolution is at fault here. We should trust the Iranian Government, they always hold up their end of the bargain
August 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yes, you uninformed cousin-F'ing moron, we've got CIA in pretty much every country we have an embassy in. Once again showing you are one of the dumbest people to have ever made a single post in CVON. As for special forces, it's in an active warzone, so better to have them to secure the embassy and not need them, rather than need them and not have them. Once again, we had former SEALs, Delta Force, and Army Rangers trying to fight back the insurgents in Benghazi and we STILL lost two of them after the ambassador was killed. Don't remind me of that banger you had months ago... "We've already sent them trillions! Ok so maybe hundreds of billions! Ok, so I was wrong, but it's still way too much!" Oh so the leak was no big deal, we have CIA and Special Forces everywhere and Im sure they just forgot to announce all of that after evacuating the Ukrainian embassy. And now here you are, admitting that boots are on the ground but its no problem. Just as predicted.
August 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: Mike's still on his WW3 is happening in secret kick. Yes because if theres one thing history has taught us, engaging in never ending proxy wars is totally without risk. How did we get involved in those world wars, anyway?
August 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Do you just sit down and think, "What ridiculous word salad can I throw out now?" The truth hurts, doesnt it, old man?
August 11, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: We should trust the Iranian Government, they always hold up their end of the bargain Of course we shouldn't blindly trust them. And we didn't. The Obama deal followed the Reagan model, "trust but verify". We had inspectors in. They never found evidence that Iran's program was accelerating. Was it a perfect deal? Of course not, nothing ever is, but the absolute last thing that should've been done was tear the deal up. It was the height of irresponsibility and it was 100% based on emotions and the lies told by the right wing media. If he didn't like it, he should've renegotiated a better deal (which of course is what he promised to do, but he broke that promise just like all the others). Because now we're left with literally trusting the Iranian Government with no way to verify.
August 11, 20232 yr 13 hours ago, Procus said: Again - who is "Iran"? I think most fair minded people would agree that the mullah regime is illegitimate at this stage. Why would anybody release that money to a bunch of criminals? That money should be held in trust for a legitimate regime. You can make that argument about any number of countries, Red China, Afghanistan, Belarus (there are millions of people that don't think Israel's government or existence is legitimate). They're recognized by the UN and the rest of the world as the legitimate government. Aren't you like an avoid war at any and all costs Trumper hippy that wants to pretend our oceans will save us? If we want to avoid war, we have to deal with their government. I shouldn't have to explain this.
August 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: So the CIA and Special Forces personnel we have over there, theyre all just protecting the embassy? Are they forming a human chain around it or what? So you support another $40B. Is there a limit? How about a trillion? Still worth it? How does the 40 Billion affect you personally?
August 11, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Gannan said: How does the 40 Billion affect you personally? Mike would prefer to spend his money on more important initiatives, like Melania's hair.
August 11, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Mike would prefer to spend his money on more important initiatives, like Melania's hair. Remember when she spent millions destroying the rose garden?
August 11, 20232 yr 25 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Oh so the leak was no big deal, we have CIA and Special Forces everywhere and Im sure they just forgot to announce all of that after evacuating the Ukrainian embassy. Yes, Sling Blade, we literally have CIA personnel in embassies all over the world. Quote And now here you are, admitting that boots are on the ground but its no problem. Just as predicted. As has been explained to you many times over, "boots on the ground" is entirely different than securing our own embassy. I know that you'll never not be a toothless backwoods rube, because of where you were born and raised, but repeating the same phrase over and over while not knowing what it means, is exactly what we mean when we call you a trumpbot.
August 11, 20232 yr 36 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Yes because if theres one thing history has taught us, engaging in never ending proxy wars is totally without risk. How did we get involved in those world wars, anyway? Mike low-key admitting he would've been in favor of letting Hitler roll over all of Europe and Hirohito roll over Asia during WW2. Unamerican commie coward confirmed. Hate to see it.
August 11, 20232 yr 52 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: The truth hurts, doesnt it, old man? How would you know, lil' fella? You seem to have no relationship with the truth. Clearly your relationship with the English language is tentative, at best.
August 11, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Mike31mt said: Biden promised no boots on the ground and now there are boots on the ground. JFC you can’t be this effing stupid. 🤦♂️
August 11, 20232 yr 26 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Mike low-key admitting he would've been in favor of letting Hitler roll over all of Europe and Hirohito roll over Asia during WW2. Unamerican commie coward confirmed. Hate to see it. The maga cult member claims to be an Independent. Hysterical.
August 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: You can make that argument about any number of countries, Red China, Afghanistan, Belarus (there are millions of people that don't think Israel's government or existence is legitimate). They're recognized by the UN and the rest of the world as the legitimate government. Aren't you like an avoid war at any and all costs Trumper hippy that wants to pretend our oceans will save us? If we want to avoid war, we have to deal with their government. I shouldn't have to explain this. Dude - this has nothing to do with Trump. If you examine Iran carefully since the turn of the century, there has been much more misbehavior when liberal American governments are in charge. It's a country at a de facto state of war with the U.S. and you don't give them money regardless of its source. Are you people brain dead?
August 11, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Boom. Christie bringing the hammer down. You send Kushner in the Mideast to put together a peace agreement, a very significant one. He should be credited for that.
August 11, 20232 yr 41 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: JFC you can’t be this effing stupid. 🤦♂️ I thought that at first as well, but here we are.
August 11, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Procus said: Dude - this has nothing to do with Trump. If you examine Iran carefully since the turn of the century, there has been much more misbehavior when liberal American governments are in charge. It's a country at a de facto state of war with the U.S. and you don't give them money regardless of its source. Are you people brain dead? I didn't say we should give them money, I said we need to recognize their government in an overall effort to avoid war... if possible. I would prefer the Biden administration to be MORE hawkish than it is. However, the alternative is the republican party which is full of frightened weak willed appeasers who kowtow to our enemies and admire despots and dictators.
August 11, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Procus said: You send Kushner in the Mideast to put together a peace agreement, a very significant one. He should be credited for that. Agreed. He helped negotiate a peace deal between countries that weren't at war, so he's definitely owed, at minimum, $2B in illegal kickbacks.
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