August 11, 20233 yr 4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Jesus Christ, Mike. Do I need to explain to you how the passage of time works? Would it help if we brought out a calendar? The deal was for 10 years. That 10 years spanned 3 administrations. The one in the middle tore it up. Why on earth would the Iranians sign a deal with us again if it's just going to be torn up by the next administration before it's complete? I feel like I'm explaining algebra to my 7 year old daughter. Ok then start a new one? Why are you overcomplicating this? It can still be the exact same terms, just push the dates out and re-sign it.
August 11, 20233 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Ok then start a new one? Why are you overcomplicating this? It can still be the exact same terms, just push the dates out and re-sign it.
August 11, 20233 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Ok then start a new one? Why are you overcomplicating this? It can still be the exact same terms, just push the dates out and re-sign it. Holy sheet. Because time continues Mike. Presidential terms are 4 or 8 years. After that, there will be a new President that, if that President is a Republican, is guaranteed to tear the deal up because of your feelings.
August 11, 20233 yr So are you all now coming to the conclusion that it was a stupid deal in the first place? I guess the Dems thought they'd just hold onto the presidency for 3 consecutive terms? The entire deal hinged on that?? Somehow this is the most complicated thing ever, even though we see administration after administration come in and tear up old deals and start new ones, literally every single administration.
August 11, 20233 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Holy sheet. Because time continues Mike. Presidential terms are 4 or 8 years. After that, there will be a new President that, if that President is a Republican, is guaranteed to tear the deal up because of your feelings. So why did they sign an agreement knowing the next administration could just tear it up? Was that smart?
August 11, 20233 yr 3 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Why are you 'over complicating' this conversation about how time only moves forward?
August 11, 20233 yr 22 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: The Lend-Lease Act was signed into law on March 11, 1941, and ended on September 20, 1945 Regardless of the dates, this whole notion that WW3 is some far-off theoretical notion is garbage. This slow drip and entanglement of dozens of nations on either side is exactly how both World Wars started Introduced in 1940, passed in 1941. Before that, we aided the UK through things like the destroyers for bases deal in 1940. You keep talking about the UK being an ally and conveniently ignoring the USSR, which was clearly NOT an ally. Lend-Lease was immediately extended to the USSR when Hitler invaded in July 1941.
August 11, 20233 yr 21 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Biden promised that there would be no boots on the ground, in Ukraine. Now there are. Are you going to admit that or continue beating around the bush to protect Daddy Government? What part of there are no troops stationed in Ukraine that are actively engaged in combat don’t you understand?
August 11, 20233 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: So are you all now coming to the conclusion that it was a stupid deal in the first place? I guess the Dems thought they'd just hold onto the presidency for 3 consecutive terms? The entire deal hinged on that?? No, it hinged on Presidential Administrations being run by base-level competent adults. But once Trump came along, that was longer a requirement for the office.
August 11, 20233 yr Just now, Tnt4philly said: What part of there are no troops stationed in Ukraine that are actively engaged in combat don’t you understand? Youre playing semantics. "Not actively engaged in combat"...but just in case they do get injured or killed, they have hazard pay. Its like a paradox, maybe.
August 11, 20233 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: No, it hinged on Presidential Administrations being run by base-level competent adults. But once Trump came along, that was longer a requirement for the office. Yes only competent people pretend Iran will honor their deals
August 11, 20233 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: So why did they sign an agreement knowing the next administration could just tear it up? Was that smart? Because that's how every deal we've ever been in works. We're in charge of our own country and the President has the power to leave deals. Why are we talking about such obvious sheet?
August 11, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: This might be the most libertarian thing youve ever posted. No big deal, I have but one life to give for Ukraine. What else can I do for Daddy Government??? Take my whole paycheck please! Actually keeping the world free from tyranny is the most libertarian concept ever. Trump spent 15 billion on a wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for and obviously doesn't work. He drove up 3 trillion, (with a T) in overall debt. I'm not even personally affected by that either. Stop pretending to care about government debt, you don't. You don't want to send money to help Ukraine because the right wing talking heads you pleasure yourself to want Putin to win.
August 11, 20233 yr 6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Why are we talking about such obvious sheet? Because this is who you're talking to...
August 11, 20233 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Youre playing semantics. "Not actively engaged in combat"...but just in case they do get injured or killed, they have hazard pay. Its like a paradox, maybe. Do you realize that troops that during OIF, troops in Kuwait and not actively engaged in combat received hazard/combat duty pay? Do you realize that there are troops stationed in the US who qualify for hazard duty pay? I When someone refers to boots on the ground in a country at war, they are usually referring to troops actively engaged in combat.
August 11, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: Oh so we joined WWII because of Hitler? Are you sure? Lets keep sending billions and billions to Ukraine for a perpetual proxy war, what could possibly go wrong? Peak libertarianism in here recently. Your ignorance of history knows no bounds. You should be forced to watch about 500 hours of the history channel clockwork orange style.
August 11, 20233 yr Just now, Gannan said: Your ignorance of history knows no bounds. You should be forced to watch about 500 hours of the history channel clockwork orange style. The History Channel stopped showing programs about history years ago.
August 11, 20233 yr 12 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Because that's how every deal we've ever been in works. We're in charge of our own country and the President has the power to leave deals. Why are we talking about such obvious sheet? Ok, so with that said, and I agree...Is your statement about Trump 'losing our credibility' the only reason Iran wouldn't sign a similar agreement with Biden now? It just doesn't make sense to me, because as you said, its always been this way. So Iran knew all of that when they signed it the first time.
August 11, 20233 yr Just now, vikas83 said: The History Channel stopped showing programs about history years ago. Their Youtube channel still has some. I just watched the modern marvels episode on the manhatten project again last night. That immediately sent me down a rabbit hole of back to back episodes of 60 minutes and nat geo on the UBL raid.
August 11, 20233 yr 49 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: That was 2 years after the war began, and didn't that eventually lead to our full involvement in WW2? And at that time, the US and the UK were actual allies. If Russia invaded England instead of Ukraine, this would be a different conversation. But its just baffling to me how not wanting to send billions of our dollars, and now our military personnel, to Ukraine to fight in a proxy war is "unAmerican"...and these are former libertarians saying this. When will this end? How many billions is enough? Good lawd. Its not just that you're stupid...you just don't know anything. We pledged to protect Ukraine form Invasion decades ago. (Russia also promised not to invade them...whoops) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
August 11, 20233 yr 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said: The History Channel stopped showing programs about history years ago. You have to know when and where to look. They did an excellent series on Ulysses S Grant for example not too long ago.
August 11, 20233 yr 9 minutes ago, Gannan said: Actually keeping the world free from tyranny is the most libertarian concept ever. Trump spent 15 billion on a wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for and obviously doesn't work. He drove up 3 trillion, (with a T) in overall debt. I'm not even personally affected by that either. Stop pretending to care about government debt, you don't. You don't want to send money to help Ukraine because the right wing talking heads you pleasure yourself to want Putin to win. So to be libertarian, we have to police the world of all tyranny. Makes sense in a total nonsensical kind of way. So when do we start droning Africa, or China, or hell Russia? And dont tell me what I do or dont care about. Im on record here saying it was Trumps biggest failure. Dont project the abandonment of your political morals onto me.
August 11, 20233 yr 8 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Do you realize that troops that during OIF, troops in Kuwait and not actively engaged in combat received hazard/combat duty pay? Do you realize that there are troops stationed in the US who qualify for hazard duty pay? I When someone refers to boots on the ground in a country at war, they are usually referring to troops actively engaged in combat. Proof? I know what boots are. I know what the ground is. American boots are on Ukrainian ground. Biden promised they wouldn't be. Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more Search for a word boots on the ground phrase of boot INFORMAL ground troops who are on active service in a military operation. "they could have gone to their allies and got more boots on the ground" boots on the ground idiom Add to word list soldiers, police, etc. who are physically present somewhere in a military or police operation: He said that U. S. military policy relied too much on technology and air power and too little on boots on the ground. He believes having more boots on the ground will help in the department's crime-fighting efforts.
August 11, 20233 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: And dont tell me what I do or dont care about. Im on record here saying it was Trumps biggest failure. Dont project the abandonment of your political morals onto me. You are a total phony. You rant and rave about the sanctity of life when you are railing against abortion. Russia is murdering and trafficking kids, and you're all like
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