August 11, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: *more repetitive grunting noises, runs away with pants around his ankles* WV's finest
August 11, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: What was the US doing before Pearl Harbor? Being commie cowards?? Not sure if you're serious, but we were actively involved in helping the UK and the USSR, mainly through Lend Lease.
August 11, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Are you serious? I just answered that question in the post you quoted. Pro-tip: read the posts, then respond, not the other way around. So, its only hard because "we tore it up for no reason?" Wouldn't that make it easier to re-establish, if it was ended for no reason? If there was no reason, then there shouldnt be any barriers to simply re-establishing the exact same terms. Break this down for me, Vanham
August 11, 20232 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: WV's finest What about special forces, WGB? You gonna answer?
August 11, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: What was the US doing before Pearl Harbor? Being commie cowards?? Wait... Are you seriously trying to blame us for what happened at Pearl Harbor?
August 11, 20232 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Wait... Are you seriously trying to blame us for what happened at Pearl Harbor? If Trump was president, Pearl Harbor would have never happened dude
August 11, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: What about special forces, WGB? You gonna answer? I already did. You literally quoted the post. Your illiteracy is not my problem.
August 11, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: So, its only hard because "we tore it up for no reason?" Wouldn't that make it easier to re-establish, if it was ended for no reason? If there was no reason, then there shouldnt be any barriers to simply re-establishing the exact same terms. Break this down for me, Vanham The F are you talking about? Ok, I'll keep it as simple as possible. Rent a car. Sign an agreement with the rental car company. Halfway through the agreement, the rental car company comes and repossesses the car. You going back to that same rental car company next time you want to rent a car?
August 11, 20232 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Wait... Are you seriously trying to blame us for what happened at Pearl Harbor? There are those that try and twist the logic by saying that supporting China and putting an embargo on Japan (mainly oil) instigated the Japanese attack. But that's pretty ridiculous. Japan's stated goal was to remove western influence from Asia and become self-sufficient.
August 11, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Not sure if you're serious, but we were actively involved in helping the UK and the USSR, mainly through Lend Lease. That was 2 years after the war began, and didn't that eventually lead to our full involvement in WW2? And at that time, the US and the UK were actual allies. If Russia invaded England instead of Ukraine, this would be a different conversation. But its just baffling to me how not wanting to send billions of our dollars, and now our military personnel, to Ukraine to fight in a proxy war is "unAmerican"...and these are former libertarians saying this. When will this end? How many billions is enough?
August 11, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Wait... Are you seriously trying to blame us for what happened at Pearl Harbor? No my point is that if you play with fire you eventually get burned. We had far more justification to support our allies then than what we have for Ukraine now. I can digest sending weapons and ammunition. Less so about sending billions and billions of dollars. And far less so sending our people.
August 11, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Oh ok, we probably have the exact same amount of CIA resources in Ukraine that we do in, say, Uzbekistan or Switzerland. No big deal. What about Special Forces, though? And I know exactly what "boots on the ground" means which is exactly why youre dead F'ing wrong, as always. We have boots on the ground and not just to defend the Embassy you useful idiot. You apparently do not know what the term "boots on the ground” normally refers to. Where exactly do we have US troops directly involved in combat? And while troop strength and location is generally classified, it doesn’t take a Desert Fox to figure out we have more people protecting Americans in a country at war than let’s say, a neutral country.
August 11, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: What about special forces, WGB? You gonna answer? What about them?
August 11, 20232 yr Live look at Mike and Procus locked up in a dead heat trying to out-stupid each other and win the crown of most mocked CVON poster
August 11, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I already did. You literally quoted the post. Your illiteracy is not my problem. No, you referenced the CIA. I asked about Special Forces too. What about Special Forces?
August 11, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: That was 2 years after the war began, and didn't that eventually lead to our full involvement in WW2? And at that time, the US and the UK were actual allies. If Russia invaded England instead of Ukraine, this would be a different conversation. But its just baffling to me how not wanting to send billions of our dollars, and now our military personnel, to Ukraine to fight in a proxy war is "unAmerican"...and these are former libertarians saying this. When will this end? How many billions is enough? Lend Lease started in 1940, months after the war in Europe started in September 1939.
August 11, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: The F are you talking about? Ok, I'll keep it as simple as possible. Rent a car. Sign an agreement with the rental car company. Halfway through the agreement, the rental car company comes and repossesses the car. You going back to that same rental car company next time you want to rent a car? Lol what? So Biden and Trump are the same rental car company? That makes no sense. If Obama could establish it, and Trump could end it, why cant Biden re-establish it? You know the answer, because Iran cant be trusted and it was a bull ish agreement to begin with.
August 11, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: No my point is that if you play with fire you eventually get burned. We had far more justification to support our allies then than what we have for Ukraine now. I can digest sending weapons and ammunition. Less so about sending billions and billions of dollars. And far less so sending our people. Ok so we played with fire in WW2 and we got burned in the form of an unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor? Have I got that right, Mikhail?
August 11, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Lend Lease started in 1940, months after the war in Europe started in September 1939. Days……Months….Years…..what’s the difference?
August 11, 20232 yr Just now, vikas83 said: Lend Lease started in 1940, months after the war in Europe started in September 1939. The Lend-Lease Act was signed into law on March 11, 1941, and ended on September 20, 1945 Regardless of the dates, this whole notion that WW3 is some far-off theoretical notion is garbage. This slow drip and entanglement of dozens of nations on either side is exactly how both World Wars started
August 11, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: You apparently do not know what the term "boots on the ground” normally refers to. Where exactly do we have US troops directly involved in combat? And while troop strength and location is generally classified, it doesn’t take a Desert Fox to figure out we have more people protecting Americans in a country at war than let’s say, a neutral country. Biden promised that there would be no boots on the ground, in Ukraine. Now there are. Are you going to admit that or continue beating around the bush to protect Daddy Government?
August 11, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: No, you referenced the CIA. I asked about Special Forces too. What about Special Forces? Here, I'll enlarge the font so your one good eye can read it... 3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yes, you uninformed cousin-F'ing moron, we've got CIA in pretty much every country we have an embassy in. Once again showing you are one of the dumbest people to have ever made a single post in CVON. As for special forces, it's in an active warzone, so better to have them to secure the embassy and not need them, rather than need them and not have them. Once again, we had former SEALs, Delta Force, and Army Rangers trying to fight back the insurgents in Benghazi and we STILL lost two of them after the ambassador was killed.
August 11, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Days……Months….Years…..what’s the difference? Well time line - wise, we would just now be considering whether to formall aid Ukraine or not. And Ukraine is nowhere near where the UK was for us back then. They were our closest ally.
August 11, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Here, I'll enlarge the font so your one good eye can read it... So youre still saying that all of the Special Forces there are protecting the embassy? Along with all the CIA? Is that your final answer? Go on record and we'll mark the tape.
August 11, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Lol what? So Biden and Trump are the same rental car company? Yes. Of course they are. They're president of the same country, you absolute moron. You realize that right? When you sign a deal with another country that lasts for a decade or so, there's a very strong possibility that the other party will take control at some point. Trump tore up the deal. Unfortunately, he F'd up our credibility as a country. Sucks but again, that's why you never elect a game show host to the most powerful position in the world.
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