August 11, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Because that's how every deal we've ever been in works. We're in charge of our own country and the President has the power to leave deals. Why are we talking about such obvious sheet? Ok, so with that said, and I agree...Is your statement about Trump 'losing our credibility' the only reason Iran wouldn't sign a similar agreement with Biden now? It just doesn't make sense to me, because as you said, its always been this way. So Iran knew all of that when they signed it the first time.
August 11, 20232 yr Just now, vikas83 said: The History Channel stopped showing programs about history years ago. Their Youtube channel still has some. I just watched the modern marvels episode on the manhatten project again last night. That immediately sent me down a rabbit hole of back to back episodes of 60 minutes and nat geo on the UBL raid.
August 11, 20232 yr 49 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: That was 2 years after the war began, and didn't that eventually lead to our full involvement in WW2? And at that time, the US and the UK were actual allies. If Russia invaded England instead of Ukraine, this would be a different conversation. But its just baffling to me how not wanting to send billions of our dollars, and now our military personnel, to Ukraine to fight in a proxy war is "unAmerican"...and these are former libertarians saying this. When will this end? How many billions is enough? Good lawd. Its not just that you're stupid...you just don't know anything. We pledged to protect Ukraine form Invasion decades ago. (Russia also promised not to invade them...whoops) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
August 11, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said: The History Channel stopped showing programs about history years ago. You have to know when and where to look. They did an excellent series on Ulysses S Grant for example not too long ago.
August 11, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, Gannan said: Actually keeping the world free from tyranny is the most libertarian concept ever. Trump spent 15 billion on a wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for and obviously doesn't work. He drove up 3 trillion, (with a T) in overall debt. I'm not even personally affected by that either. Stop pretending to care about government debt, you don't. You don't want to send money to help Ukraine because the right wing talking heads you pleasure yourself to want Putin to win. So to be libertarian, we have to police the world of all tyranny. Makes sense in a total nonsensical kind of way. So when do we start droning Africa, or China, or hell Russia? And dont tell me what I do or dont care about. Im on record here saying it was Trumps biggest failure. Dont project the abandonment of your political morals onto me.
August 11, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Do you realize that troops that during OIF, troops in Kuwait and not actively engaged in combat received hazard/combat duty pay? Do you realize that there are troops stationed in the US who qualify for hazard duty pay? I When someone refers to boots on the ground in a country at war, they are usually referring to troops actively engaged in combat. Proof? I know what boots are. I know what the ground is. American boots are on Ukrainian ground. Biden promised they wouldn't be. Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more Search for a word boots on the ground phrase of boot INFORMAL ground troops who are on active service in a military operation. "they could have gone to their allies and got more boots on the ground" boots on the ground idiom Add to word list soldiers, police, etc. who are physically present somewhere in a military or police operation: He said that U. S. military policy relied too much on technology and air power and too little on boots on the ground. He believes having more boots on the ground will help in the department's crime-fighting efforts.
August 11, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: And dont tell me what I do or dont care about. Im on record here saying it was Trumps biggest failure. Dont project the abandonment of your political morals onto me. You are a total phony. You rant and rave about the sanctity of life when you are railing against abortion. Russia is murdering and trafficking kids, and you're all like
August 11, 20232 yr Just now, Gannan said: You are a total phony. You rant and rave about the sanctity of life when you are railing against abortion. Russia is murdering and trafficking kids, and you're all like TDS has absolutely ravaged your entire brain. There is tyranny all over the world. So we should be sending weapons, ammunition, personnel all over Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe, all because "tyranny exists?" This has absolutely nothing to do with abortion. The hell is wrong with you
August 11, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: TDS has absolutely ravaged your entire brain. There is tyranny all over the world. So we should be sending weapons, ammunition, personnel all over Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe, all because "tyranny exists?" This has absolutely nothing to do with abortion. The hell is wrong with you The stupid. It burns. There aren't countries invading other countries committing war crimes in Africa, Asia, and Europe let alone countries we pledged to protect. The abortion thing just proves what a total phony you are. You were supporting our assistance to Ukraine until the Trumpbot talking heads you stroke off to, told you not to.
August 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: You cant be this naive. .. He can, and he is. It's why you can't get mad at the guy. He just doesn't know.
August 11, 20232 yr 38 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Ok, so with that said, and I agree...Is your statement about Trump 'losing our credibility' the only reason Iran wouldn't sign a similar agreement with Biden now? It just doesn't make sense to me, because as you said, its always been this way. So Iran knew all of that when they signed it the first time. The JCPOA was never signed. But regardless, there hasn't been an agreement reached either with this administration. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-nuclear-deal-not-signed-document-not-binding/ A Trip Down Memory Lane: In 2015 the Obama Administration Said the Iran Deal Wasn’t Even a ‘Signed Document’
August 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: So when do we start droning Africa, or China, or hell Russia? 19 hours ago, Mike31mt said: Trump took out one of their highest ranking military officials and they didnt do ish.
August 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: Ok, so with that said, and I agree...Is your statement about Trump 'losing our credibility' the only reason Iran wouldn't sign a similar agreement with Biden now? It just doesn't make sense to me, because as you said, its always been this way. So Iran knew all of that when they signed it the first time. Yes, the President has always had the power to leave a deal, but... 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: it hinged on Presidential Administrations being run by base-level competent adults. But once Trump came along, that was longer a requirement for the office. Are we done or are we gonna keep going in circles?
August 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: Proof? I know what boots are. I know what the ground is. American boots are on Ukrainian ground. Biden promised they wouldn't be. Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more Search for a word boots on the ground phrase of boot INFORMAL ground troops who are on active service in a military operation. "they could have gone to their allies and got more boots on the ground" boots on the ground idiom Add to word list soldiers, police, etc. who are physically present somewhere in a military or police operation: He said that U. S. military policy relied too much on technology and air power and too little on boots on the ground. He believes having more boots on the ground will help in the department's crime-fighting efforts. Proof of what, how military pay and allowances work? Do you get hostile fire pay in Kuwait? Hostile Fire or Imminent Danger Pay 1 The purpose of this pay is to compensate service members for physical danger. 2 Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and many other nearby countries3 have been declared imminent danger zones. Military personnel serving in such designated areas are eligible for HF/IDP.Aug 14, 2022 https://crsreports.congress.gov › pdf Military Pay: Controversy Over Hostile Fire/Imminent Danger Pay and ... What is the name and mission of the operation the troops in Ukraine are participating in?
August 11, 20232 yr 55 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: To a small, tiny, infant baby, those are the same! Great job WGB
August 11, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: To a small, tiny, infant baby, those are the same! Great job WGB
August 11, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Because that's how every deal we've ever been in works. We're in charge of our own country and the President has the power to leave deals. Why are we talking about such obvious sheet? Well, IIRC the Iran deal was never signed into law in an act by Congress. Presidents can't unilaterally end deals passed by Congress. Congress DID pass a law to help prevent Republicans from blowing up the deal at the time, but I think that was more about whether a president could enter such a deal without Congress. The Iran deal was always going to be fragile because of this.
August 11, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Well, IIRC the Iran deal was never signed into law in an act by Congress. Presidents can't unilaterally end deals passed by Congress. Congress DID pass a law to help prevent Republicans from blowing up the deal at the time, but I think that was more about whether a president could enter such a deal without Congress. The Iran deal was always going to be fragile because of this. Sort of immaterial to the conversations since Mike's suggestion was that we implement the exact same deal
August 11, 20232 yr This can't be true. The mideast expert @Tnt4philly taught us that the money will only be used for humanitarian purposes https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-prisoner-deal-money-6-billion-restrictions/ Iran claims there will be no restrictions on access to money released in U.S. prisoner exchange "The decision on how to utilize these unfrozen resources and financial assets lies with the Islamic Republic of Iran."
August 11, 20232 yr 44 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Sort of immaterial to the conversations since Mike's suggestion was that we implement the exact same deal Yeah Mike's still an idiot. This doesn't change that. My general point though is that had Republicans gotten on board it would have survived Trump. And that Obama pushed the authority of the office to get a fragile deal in place in the hopes that the next president(s) would stick to the deal so that the US's commitments would be shown to be honored. Trump absolutely showed the world that a US, at least with him at the helm, can't be trusted. He set our foreign policy back tremendously, despite the last minute Abraham Accords. What's funny is that the Abraham Accords seek to promote peace the same way Trumplicans have railed against: through free trade deals that make war less attractive. "Globalism" is indeed one of the best insurance policies for peace we've had the last 100 years, but peace is only important to Trumplicans when they aren't being told they should be aggrieved because globalism "stole their jobs"
August 11, 20232 yr 48 minutes ago, Procus said: This can't be true. The mideast expert @Tnt4philly taught us that the money will only be used for humanitarian purposes https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-prisoner-deal-money-6-billion-restrictions/ Iran claims there will be no restrictions on access to money released in U.S. prisoner exchange "The decision on how to utilize these unfrozen resources and financial assets lies with the Islamic Republic of Iran." Oh, so now you are telling us to believe Iran? 😂😂😂😂
August 11, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Tnt4philly said: Oh, so now you are telling us to believe Iran? 😂😂😂😂 No - I'm telling you what a fool you are for thinking that money is going to "humanitarian" purposes. Only a tool would believe that. But hey, you're in a forum with some very far left Republicans and Libertarians here. Maybe they'll chime in to defend you on this. How bout it mates?
August 11, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Procus said: No - I'm telling you what a fool you are for thinking that money is going to "humanitarian" purposes. Only a tool would believe that. But hey, you're in a forum with some very far left Republicans and Libertarians here. Maybe they'll chime in to defend you on this. How bout it mates? I never claimed there will not be fraud as there is just about any time the government is involved, but the deal requires that the assets be held and controlled by Qatar and that the US Treasury will over see all transactions.
August 11, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: I never claimed there will not be fraud as there is just about any time the government is involved, but the deal requires that the assets be held and controlled by Qatar and that the US Treasury will over see all transactions. Well, if Qatar is controlling the money, that changes everything. I mean, Qatar, after all, there's a nation we can trust! https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2020/07/18/qatar-finances-hezbollah-terrorism/ Qatar finances Hezbollah terrorism
August 11, 20232 yr Procus is over here advocating for leaving Americans to rot in Iran. Reagan’s looking up at him and shaking his head right about now.
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