Holy ish they're trying to cover their tracks

We literally surrendered the entire country in 2021.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Oh you have to be a military expert now to identify the obvious failures? 

Please, Mr. Military Expert, tell me how Afghanistan magically acquired "their own" equipment, that totally didn't belong to the US, equalling about half of their entire nation's GDP?  

Go cry somewhere else, it's 100% clear what happened to anyone who isn't a bootlicking Biden excuse-maker.

Incredible how liberals go from "I'm a free thinker" to "Don't question Daddy Government!!" when it comes to criticizing the absolute disaster that is the Biden administration.

There is absolutely too much cluelessness in here to address but I don’t claim to be a military expert, I just have more of a clue than you do. 
 

And yes, I will believe military leaders before the politicians you idolize. 
 

1/2 their GDP…..😂😂😂😂😂

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Holy ish they're trying to cover their tracks

We literally surrendered the entire country in 2021.

Cover tracks?  The point of getting out of a war zone is to keep our troops out of harms way.  Trump has an objectively worse record there. Thank God Biden had the stones to follow through on his promise even after Trump released 5K terrorists.

1 minute ago, Tnt4philly said:

There is absolutely too much cluelessness in here to address but I don’t claim to be a military expert, I just have more of a clue than you do. 
 

And yes, I will believe military leaders before the politicians you idolize. 
 

1/2 their GDP…..😂😂😂😂😂

"Believe military leaders!!"

Military leaders:

General Mark Milley: ‘I’ll Be Candid, I Don’t Know the Exact Number of Americans that Were Left Behind’ in Afghanistan

9 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

We literally surrendered the entire country in 2020 when Trump signed the Doha Agreement with the Taliban, promising to remove all US troops from the country and releasing 5000 taliban terrorists.

Fixed. 

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

Cover tracks?  The point of getting out of a war zone is to keep our troops out of harms way.  Trump has an objectively worse record there. Thank God Biden had the stones to follow through on his promise even after Trump released 5K terrorists.

Wrong.  Trump inherited the conflict and ended it.  Biden had more deaths in his first year than Trump did in his last. 

Nice try with the propaganda though

1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

Fixed. 

When he signed the deal we still controlled the entire country and the Taliban was neutered.  He handed Biden a potential foreign policy win on a silver platter, but since Biden spends 90% of his days asleep/in a dementia fog, he did nothing and somehow botched it

1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

There is absolutely too much cluelessness in here to address but I don’t claim to be a military expert, I just have more of a clue than you do. 
 

And yes, I will believe military leaders before the politicians you idolize. 
 

1/2 their GDP…..😂😂😂😂😂

The economy of Afghanistan is listed as the 124th largest in the world in terms of nominal gross domestic product (GDP), and 102nd largest in the world in terms of purchasing power parity (PPP). With a population of around 41 million people, Afghanistan's GDP (nominal) stands at $14.58 billion as of 2021, amounting to a GDP per capita of $363.7 (according to a World Bank report).[

But somehow this $7B of equipment was theirs, and totally not the US' when we decided to just abandon it all.

Keep eating up those lies and supporting a garbage foreign policy administration that keeps faceplanting on a global stage 

17 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Yes, and gangs of thugs on ATVs ride around Philly doing crimes too.

 

However, the most recent data suggests  the largest one-year decline in murder that has ever been recorded.

 

I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings.

 

My feelings are fine, there's no crime to worry about where I live and there hasn't been so it doesn't affect me either way.  I'm just saying that the national news covering the decision to put national guard in the subway doesn't help sell the crime reduction.  I'm sure the people in NYC, Oakland, Philly, etc. are glad that crime is going down everywhere else.  Even if it goes up in those cities there's no need for anything to be done because they are going to vote Democrat regardless of their circumstances.

18 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

Do you realize that NYC is just one of many cities in a nation of states? It’s possible for crime to increase in a few cites here and there but overall crime across the nation to fall. 

I do understand that but the general 'feeling' is that crime is going up.  I can't explain why people feel the way they do about crime, it's not like most of the 'news' outlets lean left so they are just not doing a good job of selling the reports.

1 minute ago, GreenReaper said:

I do understand that but the general 'feeling' is that crime is going up.  I can't explain why people feel the way they do about crime, it's not like most of the 'news' outlets lean left so they are just not doing a good job of selling the reports.

Fear sells.

16 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Wrong.  Trump inherited the conflict and ended it.  Biden had more deaths in his first year than Trump did in his last. 

Nice try with the propaganda though

  "Trump inherited the conflict and released 5K terrorists and left office"

He didn't end sheet.  He invited terrorists to Camp David, then realized that was a huge embarrassment and called it off, only to agree to release 5K terrorists and get nothing in return.  He left it for Biden to actually man up and pull out under the sheet circumstances Trump left him, which thankfully he did, bad PR and all.  If you actually cared about soldier's lives you'd appreciate that he ended the longest conflict in US history and brought them home and out of harms way .  But you don't.

50 troops lost in 3 years vs 13.  Anyone that's not retarded will take that improvement.

4 minutes ago, barho said:

Fear sells.

Yes it does but usually when it's something that makes people fear the republican NSDAP's otherwise it's 'mostly peaceful protests'.

3 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

Yes it does but usually when it's something that makes people fear the republican NSDAP's otherwise it's 'mostly peaceful protests'.

Ummmm....I tend to recall a ton of news on both right and left leaning networks during the Ferguson riots.  Lets not get into revisionist history here.

1 minute ago, barho said:

Ummmm....I tend to recall a ton of news on both right and left leaning networks during the Ferguson riots.  Lets not get into revisionist history here.

Yeah, keep pretending there isn't any difference between now and 2014.

29 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

I do understand that but the general 'feeling' is that crime is going up. 

F your feelings.

1 hour ago, GreenReaper said:

I do understand that but the general 'feeling' is that crime is going up.  I can't explain why people feel the way they do about crime, it's not like most of the 'news' outlets lean left so they are just not doing a good job of selling the reports.

Do you think, and I'm just spitballing here, that it might have something to do with Fox news and it's crazier cousins pumping out endless political propaganda about how the world is going to hell because Trump isn't president? 

It would be grand to get back to a time where everybody didn't believe that the world was on razor's edge and that every election was an existential threat to the nation. 

1 hour ago, GreenReaper said:

Yes it does but usually when it's something that makes people fear the republican NSDAP's otherwise it's 'mostly peaceful protests'.

Right wing viewers respond much more strongly to fear mongering than left.

53 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

Yeah, keep pretending there isn't any difference between now and 2014.

There's far less than you're apparently willing to admit.

The only real thing that's changed is that instead of Romney as your most recent standard bearer you have a scumbag con artist who's duped 60% of Republican voters into think he actually cares about them and that he's the only one who can fix things.

That last part, the "I'm the strong guy and the only one who can fix things," is a little too on the Germany 1933 nose. 

22 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Right wing viewers respond much more strongly to fear mongering than left.

yep...i have a low-info trumper coworker who likes to go on & on about those scary immigrants. we're in f'n nepa.   what border are they crossing to get to nepa? her town has 535 residents & 500 are white.    

not to mention it's probably worse than the countries immigrants are coming from.  

5 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

I'm imagining Milley on the phone with the Afghans, as we're ditching all of our stuff and getting the hell out of there while the Taliban take over at warp speed:  "this is all your ish now good luck bye!"

So you are not happy with the Trump Afghan Withdrawal plan?

How shocking.

2 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

50 troops lost in 3 years vs 13.  Anyone that's not retarded will take that improvement.

Epic levels of derangement on display with this propaganda math. 

In the last three years of Trump's presidency, there was an active conflict.  

We left in August 2021.  You're comparing 3 years where we had troops all over the country to 8 months followed by a botched withdrawal.  

 

Trump = 50 deaths/3 years = 17 deaths/year

Biden = 13 deaths/0.75 years = 17 deaths/year

 

Anyone that's not retarded huh

Yeah the "Trump will end our democracy" schtick isn't fear mongering at all 

24 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

So you are not happy with the Trump Afghan Withdrawal plan?

How shocking.

Plan?  Biden didn't know anything about a plan.  He was in a dementia fog until two weeks before the deadline and still lied and said Afghanistan wouldn't fall.  

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Epic levels of derangement on display with this propaganda math. 

In the last three years of Trump's presidency, there was an active conflict.  

We left in August 2021.  You're comparing 3 years where we had troops all over the country to 8 months followed by a botched withdrawal.  

 

Trump = 50 deaths/3 years = 17 deaths/year

Biden = 13 deaths/0.75 years = 17 deaths/year

 

Anyone that's not retarded huh

Well, yes, obviously now that we're out of Afghanistan we're not in an active conflict and can't lose troops in said conflict.  What a weird way to say 'thanks Biden'