May 23, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, The Norseman said:Funny how all the "libertarians" here get so furious when taxes, waste and regulations get cut.Funny that you glossed right over the part where Trump is adding 4 trillion to the deficit.
May 23, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, The Norseman said:Right. Member that time he said he was going to launch rockets and then land them again? Or when he said he would launch satellites to provide internet connectivity all over the world? An American electric car company??What an idiot 😂😂😂 JFC you are the king of deflections. None of those accomplishments have anything to do with the BS he is spreading about DOGE.
May 23, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, The Norseman said:Right. We should have elected Kamala who literally ran on raising taxes. I can't even keep track of the nonsense that you guys spew.Trump ran on shrinking government and the deficit.
May 23, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, The Norseman said:Right. Member that time he said he was going to launch rockets and then land them again? Or when he said he would launch satellites to provide internet connectivity all over the world? An American electric car company??What an idiot 😂😂😂I remember when he said he wants to use our tax dollars to explode nuclear weapons on mars so we could "colonize it".
May 23, 20251 yr Obama raised my taxesTrump raised my taxesBiden tried to raise my taxesIt's funny you guys keep thinking that any of them want to cut taxes on the wealthy.
May 23, 20251 yr 1 minute ago, Gannan said:I remember when he said he wants to use our tax dollars to explode nuclear weapons on mars so we could "colonize it".Hey, I got that speech in person about 9 years ago. He told me the plan was to explode thermo-nuclear weapons over each of Mars' poles, creating an atmosphere. When I asked how he would get Hydrogen bombs, he calmly stated that the government would give them to him.
May 23, 20251 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said:Obama raised my taxesTrump raised my taxesBiden tried to raise my taxesIt's funny you guys keep thinking that any of them want to cut taxes on the wealthy.Does the new bill raise or lower your taxes? Or no change?
May 23, 20251 yr Just now, Paul852 said:Does the new bill raise or lower your taxes? Or no change?No change really, maybe a tiny reduction. The Trump bill would basically extend the rates in place now, as opposed to having them go back up. So when the left screams it's a tax cut for the wealthy, it's really just not increasing taxes. The increase in the SALT cap from 10-40k would help (removing SALT is why Trump's tax bill was a tax increase for me), but CA allows PTE payments for LLCs to get a SALT deduction (that may also go away in 2026).
May 23, 20251 yr On 5/22/2025 at 8:38 AM, The Norseman said:Well, it's Biden's selfishness, his administration's hard left social policies and continued lying to the American people like this that got Trump elected. So, once again...you're anger is completely misplaced."Hard left social policies"Are these "hard left social policies" in the room with you right now?
May 23, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said:She didn't want to raise my taxes or yours. Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos paid no taxes last year. So yeah their taxes should be raised. I shouldn't be paying out the arse while he pays nothing...sorry not sorry. And I believe Trump paid a grand total of $800 in total income tax on the last return that was made public. A fraction of what I pay in taxes. A total joke.No libertarian should be for corporate welfare and giveaways while our rights are being stripped away, and a generational theft shifting all of the nation's wealth from younger working people to old rich people who don't work is occurring on a grand scale. It's unsustainable and it's destroying the country. The idea that we tax labor at a higher rate than capitol is slowly strangling this country to death. It's unsustainable and we are going to learn it the hard way.We shouldn't raise any income taxes. At all. If you work for a living, and get a pay check, you shouldn't pay more in taxes. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't raise any taxes. We absolutely have to raise taxes and cut spending. However cutting school lunch programs for children while adding to the the billions in corporate subsidies we pay to companies like Tesla and Space X is not only stupid, it's immoral. If you want to pay more in taxes to fund those corporations you are free to sign over your pay check to them. For those of us with our sanity, we'll pass.Raising tax rates to try to get billionaires to pay more doesn't make any sense. The reason they pay so little is because they don't take an income. There are a number of different loopholes they can use, but I think most of them just borrow against their investments. Any income they do take is typically from long term investments so they pay no more that 15% in capital gains taxes. Raising capital gains would hurt everyone and kill the stock market...but, not surprisingly, both Biden and Kamala proposed it. To get the ultra wealthy to pay their "fair share" you'd have to force them to take an income. Raising their tax bracket will do nothing. As for "greedy corporations"...raising their tax rate is immediately offset by price increase to the consumer or layoffs. A business, especially a publicly traded one, can't just take 10% loss to their profit margin because their tax rate went up by 10%. They will offset it either by cutting jobs or raising prices .. both of which hurt the little guy. It's not about greed, its about what the shareholders demand. Lastly, I agree that the government should not be providing corporate subsidies, but to pin that on this administration is laughable. Obama and Bush both bailed out the auto manufacturers, Biden offered massive subsidies to green companies (like Tesla) and semiconductor manufacturers. It happens in every administration.
May 23, 20251 yr 25 minutes ago, vikas83 said:Hey, I got that speech in person about 9 years ago. He told me the plan was to explode thermo-nuclear weapons over each of Mars' poles, creating an atmosphere. When I asked how he would get Hydrogen bombs, he calmly stated that the government would give them to him.How did he plan to give mars a sufficient magnetosphere to prevent solar and cosmic radiation from stripping away whatever gases are added?If he suggested burying a giant Acme Roadrunner bar magnet into the Martian core I admit I'm impressed.
May 23, 20251 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:"Hard left social policies"Are these "hard left social policies" in the room with you right now?Maybe you don't think that intentionally opening the southern border and promoting "gender affirming" surgeries for children was extreme, but American's sure did.
May 23, 20251 yr 11 minutes ago, The Norseman said:They will offset it either by cutting jobs or raising prices .. both of which hurt the little guySomeone's so close to getting it. You're almost there!
May 23, 20251 yr 12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:Someone's so close to getting it. You're almost there!The different between you and I is...you think they have a choice.
May 23, 20251 yr 13 minutes ago, The Norseman said:The different between you and I is...you think they have a choice.Let's try this another way to see if we can get this through your thick skull...1) Are tariffs a type of a tax?2) Who ultimately pays them?3) Do consumption taxes disproportionally impact the working class when compared to other types of taxes like income, capital gains, etc.?Take your time, stay hydrated, and be sure to ask grok for the answer in case you get stuck at any point.
May 23, 20251 yr 42 minutes ago, The Norseman said:Maybe you don't think that intentionally opening the southern border and promoting "gender affirming" surgeries for children was extreme, but American's sure did.Neither of this things are true but you keep buying nonsense. He was not nearly as strong on border security as he should be, but he did not "open the southern border". And a proper fix was on the table for Republicans but they balked because dear leader told them to.
May 23, 20251 yr A more open southern border also scares me less than you pissants. We should be securing and knowledgeable about who comes in, but this country needs manpower and there's a lot of good hard working people to our south who want to come here and make a life. We should be promoting a legal path not putting up walls.The trans stuff is just scare tactic nonsense. An unforced error by the left to be sure but ultimately an insubstantial social issue the right loves to clutch its pearls about.
May 23, 20251 yr 18 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:Let's try this another way to see if we can get this through your thick skull...1) Are tariffs a type of a tax?2) Who ultimately pays them?3) Do consumption taxes disproportionally impact the working class when compared to other types of taxes like income, capital gains, etc.?Take your time, stay hydrated, and be sure to ask grok for the answer in case you get stuck at any point.You're changing the subject, but in short yes. I have never been in support of tariffs unless they are being used short term, to try to get other countries to reduce or eliminate theirs. That being said, the 10% blanket tariff he is levying runs in direct contrast to his free trade argument, and I don't support it. Yes it is essentially the same as a tax and yes, companies will increase costs or drive layoffs to offset the increase. What's funny is that Dems like you should love Tariffs...but you don't, because, ya know...Trump.
May 23, 20251 yr 1 minute ago, The Norseman said:You're changing the subject, but in short yes. I have never been in support of tariffs unless they are being used short term, to try to get other countries to reduce or eliminate theirs. That being said, the 10% blanket tariff he is levying runs in direct contrast to his free trade argument, and I don't support it. Yes it is essentially the same as a tax and yes, companies will increase costs or drive layoffs to offset the increase.What's funny is that Dems like you should love Tariffs...but you don't, because, ya know...Trump.The subject is taxes being imposed on Americans, which you just got done admitting tariffs were a subset of. Also, what an adorable qualifier of "short term" tariffs being okay to try to cover your bases.
May 23, 20251 yr 17 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:A more open southern border also scares me less than you pissants. We should be securing and knowledgeable about who comes in, but this country needs manpower and there's a lot of good hard working people to our south who want to come here and make a life. We should be promoting a legal path not putting up walls.The trans stuff is just scare tactic nonsense. An unforced error by the left to be sure but ultimately an insubstantial social issue the right loves to clutch its pearls about.Country needs manpower? By illegal immigrants who aren't on the books, don't pay taxes but still use our social services?I don't hear any Republicans saying that we shouldn't have some immigration for low skilled jobs, but it needs to be controlled and those coming in need to be managed in a way that benefits them and us. Throwing open the southern border to everyone was not the answer.And on the Trans issue...it may have been a fringe issue, but Dems went out of their way to promote it, including Biden. For a fringe issue, they sure made a big deal out of it. Can't blame the right for exploiting the ridiculousness of it...it was a layup.
May 23, 20251 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:The subject is taxes being imposed on Americans, which you just got done admitting tariffs were a subset of. Also, what an adorable qualifier of "short term" tariffs being okay to try to cover your bases.Let me just get this straight. You are in favor of raising the corporate tax rate, but opposed to tariffs, right? And I'm the idiot 🤣
May 23, 20251 yr 4 hours ago, Gannan said:Cutting the $38 billion in corporate welfare to Tesla and Space X would be a good start.Yeah that would definitely save our rating. Good call
May 23, 20251 yr 18 minutes ago, The Norseman said:Country needs manpower? By illegal immigrants who aren't on the books, don't pay taxes but still use our social services?I don't hear any Republicans saying that we shouldn't have some immigration for low skilled jobs, but it needs to be controlled and those coming in need to be managed in a way that benefits them and us. Throwing open the southern border to everyone was not the answer.And on the Trans issue...it may have been a fringe issue, but Dems went out of their way to promote it, including Biden. For a fringe issue, they sure made a big deal out of it. Can't blame the right for exploiting the ridiculousness of it...it was a layup.The reality is that it flows the other way with immigrants: illegals on the whole pay more in taxes than they consume in services. There are sundry analyses that show this. Illegals try to stay under the radar but also work and often that involves paying taxes. They're literally net-positive taxpayers.
May 23, 20251 yr 57 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:Neither of this things are true but you keep buying nonsense.He was not nearly as strong on border security as he should be, but he did not "open the southern border". And a proper fix was on the table for Republicans but they balked because dear leader told them to.Immediately revoked the Stay in Mexico policy and border crossings, human and drug trafficking exploded.It's ok though. Keep thinking this way and the Dems will never win another presidential election.
May 23, 20251 yr I should have just fast forwarded to the coping part of this conversation."If you don't let in countless drug lords and human traffickers you're just a scared pissant Deeerp"57 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:A more open southern border also scares me less than you pissants.
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