May 23, 20251 yr 37 minutes ago, The Norseman said:Let me just get this straight. You are in favor of raising the corporate tax rate, but opposed to tariffs, right?And I'm the idiot 🤣You do not have it straight. I'm opposed to tariffs and also opposed to an increase on corporate tax rates. But to be clear, only one of us was trying to claim Donald Trump was looking out for the working class. That's the real punchline in all this.
May 23, 20251 yr 7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:You do not have it straight. I'm opposed to tariffs and also opposed to an increase on corporate tax rates. But to be clear, only one of us was trying to claim Donald Trump was looking out for the working class. That's the real punchline in all this.
May 23, 20251 yr 30 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:The reality is that it flows the other way with immigrants: illegals on the whole pay more in taxes than they consume in services. There are sundry analyses that show this.Illegals try to stay under the radar but also work and often that involves paying taxes. They're literally net-positive taxpayers.Maybe those that have registered for ITINs cover their own costs...but I seriously doubt it. Besides, what percentage of immigrants register? Moreover, why would they?
May 23, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, The Norseman said:You're changing the subject, but in short yes. I have never been in support of tariffs unless they are being used short term, to try to get other countries to reduce or eliminate theirs. That being said, the 10% blanket tariff he is levying runs in direct contrast to his free trade argument, and I don't support it. Yes it is essentially the same as a tax and yes, companies will increase costs or drive layoffs to offset the increase.What's funny is that Dems like you should love Tariffs...but you don't, because, ya know...Trump.Tariffs are a foolish path to go down because long term they do more harm to the home economy.Literally all any trading partner has to do is wait it out.It's a foolish weapon being wielded ignorantly by a stupid president. The US is worse for it.
May 23, 20251 yr 21 minutes ago, The Norseman said:Maybe those that have registered for ITINs cover their own costs...but I seriously doubt it. Besides, what percentage of immigrants register? Moreover, why would they?Total cost of immigrants to social services is less than the total revenue from illegals working jobs they're taxed.
May 23, 20251 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:Tariffs are a foolish path to go down because long term they do more harm to the home economy.Literally all any trading partner has to do is wait it out.It's a foolish weapon being wielded ignorantly by a stupid president. The US is worse for it.They are no better or worse than tax increases, which is what we would have gotten under Kamala.
May 23, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, The Norseman said:Country needs manpower? By illegal immigrants who aren't on the books, don't pay taxes but still use our social services?Maybe you missed the part where he said we should know who is coming into the country, but you are wrong about illegals not paying taxes while using our services. The exact opposite is mostly true, especially in regards to payroll taxes. Illegals pay billions into SS without ever being able to collect.
May 23, 20251 yr 2 minutes ago, The Norseman said:They are no better or worse than tax increases, which is what we would have gotten under Kamala.I heard that for the last four years.Biden never passed a tax cut 🤷♂️
May 23, 20251 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:Total cost of immigrants to social services is less than the total revenue from illegals working jobs they're taxed.2 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:Maybe you missed the part where he said we should know who is coming into the country, but you are wrong about illegals not paying taxes while using our services. The exact opposite is mostly true, especially in regards to payroll taxes. Illegals pay billions into SS without ever being able to collect.Oh yea? Then why don't we just throw open all the borders? Sounds like a great deal. Biden sure didn't think it was such a great deal when he was frantically trying to reduce border crossings to bring his poll numbers back up. But hey, I guess he just didn't get it, eh?
May 23, 20251 yr Because voters have emotional reactions to immigration, illegal or otherwise.Irish need not apply and all.We shouldn't base policy on emotional outbursts of adult sized children. Good politicians know how to deal with idiot voting bases and move the nation forward despite them.Like it or not, that's leadership. You get any CEO in a place they're being honest and they'll tell you the same.Instead we voted an adult sized child into the White House. Keep being happy with that and lamenting why our decline is increasing.
May 23, 20251 yr Corporate taxes should be zero. Because the goal should be to get more corporations operating stateside, and this means jobs here.Workers will go where the jobs are. Unless you're 2nd and 3rd generation whiners complaining about the factory that relocated from your locale in 1987 and lamenting the future you could have had.... or you could've ef'ing moved. But I digress.The point is that "fairness" aside, the best way to ensure paying jobs as a matter of public policy is to lubricate the skids for companies to operate here - among which is corporate taxation. Yeah the worker is going to ultimately pay some taxes then, but the reality is that taxes on corps is little different from a tariff. It's passed on to the consumer in higher product costs and the worker in reduced wages.Edited: autocorrect is often stupid. Locale is a word FFS.
May 23, 20251 yr 32 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:Because voters have emotional reactions to immigration, illegal or otherwise.Irish need not apply and all.We shouldn't base policy on emotional outbursts of adult sized children. Good politicians know how to deal with idiot voting bases and move the nation forward despite them.Like it or not, that's leadership. You get any CEO in a place they're being honest and they'll tell you the same.Instead we voted an adult sized child into the White House. Keep being happy with that and lamenting why our decline is increasing.I see. So Biden did the WRONG thing by trying to close the borders, but it was actually really Trump's fault for tricking the populous into thinking that illegal immigrants are BAD, when they're actually really, really GOOD for our economy. I honestly can't even keep up with the crazy in here anymore.
May 23, 20251 yr Nothing is more emotional than Kamala voters. Crying about our "decline" because his team didn't win, while skirting around the obvious failures that resulted in that loss.Never change, libs
May 23, 20251 yr 4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:Corporate taxes should be zero. Because the goal should be to get more corporations operating stateside, and this jobs hiring here.Workers will go where the jobs are. Unless you're 2nd and 3rd generation whiners complaining about the factory that relocated from your local in 1987 and lamenting the future you could have had.... or you could've ef'ing moved. But I digress.The point is that "fairness" aside, the best way to endure paying jobs as a matter of public policy is to lubricate the skids for companies to operate here - among which is corporate taxation. Yeah the worker is going to ultimately pay some taxes then, but the reality is that taxes on corps is little different from a tariff. It's passed on to the consumer in higher product costs and the worker in reduced wages.So you're arguing for corporate tax rates here or against? I can't even tell. And no, companies are going to pass along tariff's in the form of price increases and cost cutting, just like they would corporate taxes. If anything, tariffs are better because the big corporations like Amazon and Walmart can push the pain back down to their suppliers so that they don't have to raise prices. Taxes hit the corporation directly and can not be avoided.The bigger question is....why do you think Kamala would have been any better on this issue? I mean, her campaign promise was to raise the corporate tax rate by 7%?
May 23, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:Corporate taxes should be zero.1 hour ago, The Norseman said:So you're arguing for corporate tax rates here or against? I can't even tell.When we call you all a bunch of illiterate rubes, this is what we mean.
May 23, 20251 yr 2 minutes ago, The Norseman said:I see. So Biden did the WRONG thing by trying to close the borders, but it was actually really Trump's fault for tricking the populous into thinking that illegal immigrants are BAD, when they're actually really, really GOOD for our economy.I honestly can't even keep up with the crazy in here anymore.You make no sense. You say Biden is for open borders, then say he did the wrong thing by trying to close the borders.My statement should translate to the US having a more permissable immigration policy for nations south of us, focusing on bringing back temporary work visas for seasonal workers, would bring some sanity to our border. This "immigrants always bad" view is stupid simple and only appeals to the low and common view. It's correct to make a value judgement here and call simple stupid people what they are: simple and stupid.
May 23, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, The Norseman said:So you're arguing for corporate tax rates here or against? I can't even tell. And no, companies are going to pass along tariff's in the form of price increases and cost cutting, just like they would corporate taxes. If anything, tariffs are better because the big corporations like Amazon and Walmart can push the pain back down to their suppliers so that they don't have to raise prices. Taxes hit the corporation directly and can not be avoided.The bigger question is....why do you think Kamala would have been any better on this issue? I mean, her campaign promise was to raise the corporate tax rate by 7%?If you can't tell you're an idiot. I literally stated "corporate taxes should be zero".
May 24, 20251 yr 11 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:You make no sense. You say Biden is for open borders, then say he did the wrong thing by trying to close the borders.My statement should translate to the US having a more permissable immigration policy for nations south of us, focusing on bringing back temporary work visas for seasonal workers, would bring some sanity to our border.This "immigrants always bad" view is stupid simple and only appeals to the low and common view.It's correct to make a value judgement here and call simple stupid people what they are: simple and stupid.Nobody, anywhere has said immigration is always bad. The argument is over uncontrolled, illegal immigration...which you were trying to suggest was great for our economy because they were all paying taxes and providing cheap labor. Now you're moving the goalposts to talk about controlled immigration which everyone supports. My comments were trying to paraphrase your argument, not making one of my own.
May 24, 20251 yr 11 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:If you can't tell you're an idiot. I literally stated "corporate taxes should be zero".And then you went on to make a comparison between corporate taxes and tariffs, arguing that corporate taxes were in some way preferable. So no, I'm not an idiot....your argument made no sense. More importantly, you conveniently ignored my question about why Kamala would have been a better option, when she was proposing a +7% increase to corporate taxes. I'll wait.
May 24, 20251 yr 10 minutes ago, The Norseman said:My comments were trying to paraphrase your argument, not making one of my own.Then you have no idea what I was arguing. Most of the time you project some "liberal strawman" onto whatever is being argued. It's not worth my time to try and dumb it down for you anymore.
May 24, 20251 yr 6 minutes ago, The Norseman said:And then you went on to make a comparison between corporate taxes and tariffs, arguing that corporate taxes were in some way preferable. So no, I'm not an idiot....Clearly you are. Because that's nowhere close to what I said.Reading comprehension is at a 2nd grade level for you. There's no point in arguing.
May 24, 20251 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:Clearly you are. Because that's nowhere close to what I said.Reading comprehension is at a 2nd grade level for you. There's no point in arguing. Again, you avoid the question that started all of this. If you don't support corporate taxes, they how would Kamala have been a better option? You won't answer the question because you know that she would have raised corporate taxes...just as she campained she would.In terms of reading comprehension...please explain to me what this sentence means. "The point is that "fairness" aside, the best way to endure paying jobs as a matter of public policy is to lubricate the skids for companies to operate here - among which is corporate taxation. Yeah the worker is going to ultimately pay some taxes then, but the reality is that taxes on corps is little different from a tariff. It's passed on to the consumer in higher product costs and the worker in reduced wages."If this was supposed to anchor your argument around why corporate taxation is bad. You missed.
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