1 minute ago, CaliEagle said:

It's almost getting to be like a real life "Weekend at Bernie's" with Peters. He is done, but they keep propping him up out there.

Not sure what else they can do though? They have moved him out of the LT spot. What else can they do? I mean they have injuries. I guess bring in Herbig which I'm good with but he's out of favour for some reason. 

11 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Not sure what else they can do though? They have moved him out of the LT spot. What else can they do? I mean they have injuries. I guess bring in Herbig which I'm good with but he's out of favour for some reason. 

I would call up Jon Runyan before I'd let Peter's back on this team. Is it to late merge with the Steelers again?

Peters is just another example of how bad the decisions Howie is making. Peters, DJAX and giving Alshon a huge contract we can’t get out of, not to mention the absolute poor drafting over the last several years, Lurie better wake the heck up and get rid of Howie after the season or we are done.

4 hours ago, Mr_Philly said:

Peters is just another example of how bad the decisions Howie is making. Peters, DJAX and giving Alshon a huge contract we can’t get out of, not to mention the absolute poor drafting over the last several years, Lurie better wake the heck up and get rid of Howie after the season or we are done.

And Howie "the cap genius" has 2 older, injury prone players signed to long-term contracts, Brooks and Johnson.  They need replacements for both, Lane may have another couple years and Brooks I think is done now.  More players they're going to pay to be on IR.

The 2021 salary cap is currently over $65 million.  The top players taking up salary:

• Wentz
• Cox
• Jeffrey
• Ertz
• Lane
• DeSean Jackson
• Brooks
• Kelce
• Graham
• Malik Jackson

23 hours ago, NOTW said:

My man, take it easy.  it's just sports, it's entertainment.  It sucks when they lose but they won a Super Bowl 3 years ago then made the playoffs 2 years in a row.  You know in Lurie's tenure after a season with less than 6 wins, there have been firings and major changes and they've never had those kind of seasons back to back.  Major change will happen and we'll see how they do next year.

I hope you have a blessed life and find things that you enjoy and take stock of the important things in life and enjoy those.  

You're a good person, NOTW. 

2 hours ago, Eldereagle1 said:

You're a good person, NOTW. 

NOTW is good people. 

On 12/2/2020 at 10:06 AM, NOTW said:

And Howie "the cap genius" has 2 older, injury prone players signed to long-term contracts, Brooks and Johnson.  They need replacements for both, Lane may have another couple years and Brooks I think is done now.  More players they're going to pay to be on IR.

The 2021 salary cap is currently over $65 million.  The top players taking up salary:

• Wentz
• Cox
• Jeffrey
• Ertz
• Lane
• DeSean Jackson
• Brooks
• Kelce
• Graham
• Malik Jackson

There are surely some trades, restructures, and such to happen. I never worry about cap when it comes to Howie. Drafting yes. Wonder if Reich would take Wentz off of our hands. I think he's done here.

On 12/2/2020 at 10:06 AM, NOTW said:

And Howie "the cap genius" has 2 older, injury prone players signed to long-term contracts, Brooks and Johnson.  They need replacements for both, Lane may have another couple years and Brooks I think is done now.  More players they're going to pay to be on IR.

The 2021 salary cap is currently over $65 million.  The top players taking up salary:

• Wentz
• Cox
• Jeffrey
• Ertz
• Lane
• DeSean Jackson
• Brooks
• Kelce
• Graham
• Malik Jackson

Gotta figure AJ, ZE (trade), DJ & maybe MJ are outta here.  Where does that leave us on the cap?

1 hour ago, judunno said:

There are surely some trades, restructures, and such to happen. I never worry about cap when it comes to Howie. Drafting yes. Wonder if Reich would take Wentz off of our hands. I think he's done here.

We USED to never worry about it.  You're right, there are ways around it but his way around it has been with a lot of restructures even more than one on the same player every couple years.  It seems he's kicked the can down the road so much that it's a bad situation.  They are $65 million or something like that over the cap next year.  They are stuck with certain contracts he extended on players that are at the end of their careers and injury prone.  Example Brandon Brooks, he's been hurt for 2 years collecting a paycheck and they can't cut him this year.  

So Howie's in a situation where he has to really purge some contracts.  Hopefully someone trades for Ertz and takes on his contract.  But people are saying Carson doesn't have enough talent around him...and that's because of bad drafting.  Then you take away some of these veterans and you're left with the average guys Howie drafted.

42 minutes ago, Miami said:

Gotta figure AJ, ZE (trade), DJ & maybe MJ are outta here.  Where does that leave us on the cap?

Just going by the Over the Cap website, and I'm not really good at this stuff some other guys on here do better break downs but it appears from the cap savings column:

• Jeffrey $7,977,000 
• Ertz $4,702,000 
• DeSean $5,132,000 
• Malik $967,000 

So that's only $18,778,000, and they would need to cut $46 million more.  

9 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Just going by the Over the Cap website, and I'm not really good at this stuff some other guys on here do better break downs but it appears from the cap savings column:

• Jeffrey $7,977,000 
• Ertz $4,702,000 
• DeSean $5,132,000 
• Malik $967,000 

So that's only $18,778,000, and they would need to cut $46 million more.  

So we still need to cut 46 million off the cap, that only leaves 41 players on the roster, have money to sign rookies, keep Barnett, Ward, Singleton.  It is a mess, plain and simple.

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

So we still need to cut 46 million off the cap, that only leaves 41 players on the roster, have money to sign rookies, keep Barnett, Ward, Singleton.  It is a mess, plain and simple.

Well that's from the cap savings column, like I said this isn't my area lol.  If you cut their actual cap number:

• Jeffrey $18,486,500 
• Ertz $12,471,500 
• DeSean $10,934,000 
• Malik $13,611,000 

Total: $55,503,000.  But the dead money and cap savings columns are what I don't understand.  @paco had a topic breaking this stuff down for 2022.  So which number do you use to get them under the cap, their annual salary cap number, or the cap savings column?  

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Well that's from the cap savings column, like I said this isn't my area lol.  If you cut their actual cap number:

• Jeffrey $18,486,500 
• Ertz $12,471,500 
• DeSean $10,934,000 
• Malik $13,611,000 

Total: $55,503,000.  But the dead money and cap savings columns are what I don't understand.  @paco had a topic breaking this stuff down for 2022.  So which number do you use to get them under the cap, their annual salary cap number, or the cap savings column?  

You only get the cap savings, the balance counts against the salary cap.  So your first numbers are correct, that is the money the Eagles will save against the cap.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

You only get the cap savings, the balance counts against the salary cap.  So your first numbers are correct, that is the money the Eagles will save against the cap.

Ok.  I've been meaning to read up and understand more of how the dead money and cap savings thing works, but usually there are guys on here that know more about that stuff posting info.  

If that's the case, then yeah where do they save $46 more million?  He usually does restructures and moves some money to signing bonuses and things like that but he's done that so much over the years, that it's caught up to him.  

So sorting by the cap savings column there really isn't much else there, these are the top guys.  They can cut Goodwin to save $4.2m but all the other guys are under $1m each.  A lot of dead money.  

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Ok.  I've been meaning to read up and understand more of how the dead money and cap savings thing works, but usually there are guys on here that know more about that stuff posting info.  

If that's the case, then yeah where do they save $46 more million?  He usually does restructures and moves some money to signing bonuses and things like that but he's done that so much over the years, that it's caught up to him.  

So sorting by the cap savings column there really isn't much else there, these are the top guys.  They can cut Goodwin to save $4.2m but all the other guys are under $1m each.  A lot of dead money.  

On top of having to save that 46 million, you have to replace the guys you get rid of, and you don't have money to do it.  I am very curious to see the plan, as I consider myself somewhat smart in regards to the cap, and I just do not see a way that makes this roster something other than a joke next year.

47 minutes ago, downundermike said:

On top of having to save that 46 million, you have to replace the guys you get rid of, and you don't have money to do it.  I am very curious to see the plan, as I consider myself somewhat smart in regards to the cap, and I just do not see a way that makes this roster something other than a joke next year.

I don't see it either. 

They've got to make some tough decisions this off season and let go of some of the better players. That's going to leave gaps on the roster that they then can't fill through FA because of the cap mess.

This is why the time is now for a clear out. Howie must go first so the rebuild can begin. And unfortunately the next few years are going to be ugly. And sadly, if Wentz can be turned around then they are still going to waste potentially the best years of his career. 

@NOTW and @UK_EaglesFan89 here is a good podcast from the OTC guys about the moves we can make, and they make it sound not quite as dire as we are seeing.  

Go to the 1 hour 6 minute mark.

https://overthecap.com/otc-podcast-qb-contracts-plus-how-do-the-eagles-handle-the-2021-cap/

 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Just going by the Over the Cap website, and I'm not really good at this stuff some other guys on here do better break downs but it appears from the cap savings column:

• Jeffrey $7,977,000 
• Ertz $4,702,000 
• DeSean $5,132,000 
• Malik $967,000 

So that's only $18,778,000, and they would need to cut $46 million more.  

 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

So we still need to cut 46 million off the cap, that only leaves 41 players on the roster, have money to sign rookies, keep Barnett, Ward, Singleton.  It is a mess, plain and simple.

 

A little over a month ago, another poster, @erformc, made an excellent post breaking down how to get there for 2021 while keeping Barnett (which is something that I have been all for and been pissed that we might be forced to cut him).  Of course, a big piece of this now is Lane's ankle, but that wasnt the case then.

  

On 10/23/2020 at 6:22 PM, erformc said:

With the rollover considered, the Eagles are $68M over the cap as of now. To get under the cap without trading Cox, here's the decisions they'll have to make. (The savings amounts listed are for 2021, and are "net" of the dead cap charge in the year the player is cut)

Post June 1 Cut Designations:
1.Brandon Graham - $13M savings (dead cap charge of $12.2M in 2022)

2. Malik  Jackson - $10M savings (dead cap charge of  $9M in 2022)

3. Alshon Jeffrey - $13M savings (dead cap charge of $5M in 2022)

Cuts

1. DeSean Jackson - $5.1M savings

2. Marquis Goodwin - $4.3M savings

The above moves save a total of $45.4M, meaning there is still $22.6M to cut. Possible ways to get there:

1. Convert Lane Johnson's entire salary to SB -$6.9M savings, adds $1.7M to cap from 2022-2026

2. Convert Carson's entire Roster Bonus to SB - $7M savings, adds $2.4M to cap from 2022-2025

3. Extend Derek Barnett to contract worth $52M over 5 years w/ $27M fully guaranteed ($18M SB, $2M 2021 salary, $7M 2022 salary) - $4.8M savings

4. Trade or cut Zach Ertz - $4.7M savings

Assuming those 4 moves, they will be about $750k  under the cap, but they still need to cut. Here are some further possibilities.

1. Convert Brandon Brooks entire salary to SB -  $7M savings, adds $2.3M to cap from 2022-2025

2. Convert $8M of Carson's $15.4M salary to SB - $6M savings  adds $2M to cap from 2022-2025

3. Convert $7M of Darius Slay's contract to SB - $4.7M savings, adds $2.1M to cap from 2022-2023)

4. Cut Jason Kelce w/ a post 6/1 designation -  $5.5M savings (dead cap charge of $7.2M in 2022)

5. Cut JJ Arcega-Whiteside -  $1M savings (dead cap charge of $450k in 2022)

Keep in mind that the problem with converting Salary/Roster Bonus's to Signing Bonus's is that it increases the dead cap hit in future years (and thus reduces the savings) when you inevitably cut the person.

For example, Darius Slay's contract was, in reality, a 2 year deal for $26M. The plan was to either extend or (more likely) cut him after 2021. Doing so would save them $13M in 2022 (even with the $6.5M dead money charge). However, by converting $7M of his 2021 salary to SB, cutting him after the 2021 season would result in a net savings of only $10M, and would carry and $11M dead money charge)

Still kicking the can down he road and shedding young players (kinda like how we did with Jones this year ) , but his list are all moves that I can see being made.  

 

2022 is going to be a huge dead cap year.  Bolded is the 2022 dead cap hits assuming nothing changes.  Totals up to 45 million

  

On 9/21/2020 at 11:09 AM, paco said:

Fletcher Cox - Fake year in 2023.  $3.6 million
Alshon Jeffery - Two fake years starting 2022.  $5 million
Zach Ertz - Two fake years starting 2022.  $3.5 million
Lane Johnson - Three fake years starting in 2026.  $1.2 million
DeSean Jackson - Two fake years starting 2022.  $3.86 million
Jason Kelce - Three fake years starting in 2022.  $7.2 million
Brandon Graham - Three fake years starting in 2022.  $12.2 million
Malik Jackson - Three fake years starting in 2022.  $9 million
Darius Slay - Two fake years starting 2022.  $2.5 million
Javon Hargrave - Two fake years starting 2023.  $5 million
Rodney McLeod - Three fake years starting in 2022.  $1.8 million
Isaac Seumalo - Two fake years starting 2023.  $2 million

 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

@NOTW and @UK_EaglesFan89 here is a good podcast from the OTC guys about the moves we can make, and they make it sound not quite as dire as we are seeing.  

Go to the 1 hour 6 minute mark.

https://overthecap.com/otc-podcast-qb-contracts-plus-how-do-the-eagles-handle-the-2021-cap/

Cheers bud I'll give that a listen in a bit. 

38 minutes ago, paco said:

A little over a month ago, another poster, @erformc, made an excellent post breaking down how to get there for 2021 while keeping Barnett (which is something that I have been all for and been pissed that we might be forced to cut him).  Of course, a big piece of this now is Lane's ankle, but that wasnt the case then.

Still kicking the can down he road and shedding young players (kinda like how we did with Jones this year ) , but his list are all moves that I can see being made.  

2022 is going to be a huge dead cap year.  Bolded is the 2022 dead cap hits assuming nothing changes.  Totals up to 45 million

That's good if a fan can come up with a scenario then surely Howie can.  

Barnett is set to hit free agency so they will have to re-sign him, so making his deal cap friendly for them in the early years makes sense.  In that scenario they cut Graham...and who replaces him?  That would become a major need in the draft.  

They won't miss Jeffrey or either Jackson as they've been injured or not producing much anyway.  They do have issues paying Brooks and Johnson with long term deals and they're up there in age and missing a lot of games due to injury.  They'll be paying them to be on IR like they were with Jeffrey.  I hope Lane recovers but the way it's gone he might be missing time again next season and Brooks has been out basically 2 years, can't have much confidence in him next season.  

Basically, the way to get out of cap trouble is to purge the older talent and then focus on the draft...Howie's worst area.  Find a new starting DE, can't wait on a 3-4 year project need a day 1 starting DE.  Need 1 or 2 O lineman and other help on defense, maybe another WR and RB.  Lots of needs.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

That's good if a fan can come up with a scenario then surely Howie can.  

Barnett is set to hit free agency so they will have to re-sign him, so making his deal cap friendly for them in the early years makes sense.  In that scenario they cut Graham...and who replaces him?  That would become a major need in the draft.  

 

Part of me think's its Howie

 

To be clear, Barnett IS under contract next year.  We picked up his 5th year option which is a 10 million dollar hit.  To keep him, they need to sign him to a deal that is short term cap friendly to help us get under in 2021

Year	Age	Base Salary	Prorated Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
2017	21	$465,000	$1,871,543		$465,000		$2,336,543	1.3%
2018	22	$1,049,136	$1,871,543		$1,049,136		$2,920,679	1.6%
2019	23	$1,633,272	$1,871,543		$1,633,272		$3,504,815	1.8%
2020	24	$2,217,408	$1,871,543		$2,217,408		$4,088,951	1.8%		$4,088,951	$0
2021 📝	25	$10,051,000	$0		$0		$10,051,000	5.0%		$0	$10,051,000

Just now, paco said:

Part of me think's its Howie

 

To be clear, Barnett IS under contract next year.  We picked up his 5th year option which is a 10 million dollar hit.  To keep him, they need to sign him to a deal that is short term cap friendly to help us get under in 2021

Year	Age	Base Salary	Prorated Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
2017	21	$465,000	$1,871,543		$465,000		$2,336,543	1.3%
2018	22	$1,049,136	$1,871,543		$1,049,136		$2,920,679	1.6%
2019	23	$1,633,272	$1,871,543		$1,633,272		$3,504,815	1.8%
2020	24	$2,217,408	$1,871,543		$2,217,408		$4,088,951	1.8%		$4,088,951	$0
2021 📝	25	$10,051,000	$0		$0		$10,051,000	5.0%		$0	$10,051,000

Ok gotcha.  I didn't realize the 5th year option.

 

Thanks.  You guys are good.  If we are reloading so to speak under a new coach, would take the cap hit now to clear up room for the future.

23 hours ago, Miami said:

Thanks.  You guys are good.  If we are reloading so to speak under a new coach, would take the cap hit now to clear up room for the future.

I would too but they won't. They'll keep Wentz, give him new coaches etc in the hope that they can turn him around. That's absolutely no doubt what they will do. 

On 12/3/2020 at 11:47 AM, NOTW said:

We USED to never worry about it.  You're right, there are ways around it but his way around it has been with a lot of restructures even more than one on the same player every couple years.  It seems he's kicked the can down the road so much that it's a bad situation.  They are $65 million or something like that over the cap next year.  They are stuck with certain contracts he extended on players that are at the end of their careers and injury prone.  Example Brandon Brooks, he's been hurt for 2 years collecting a paycheck and they can't cut him this year.  

So Howie's in a situation where he has to really purge some contracts.  Hopefully someone trades for Ertz and takes on his contract.  But people are saying Carson doesn't have enough talent around him...and that's because of bad drafting.  Then you take away some of these veterans and you're left with the average guys Howie drafted.

Yeah but injuries happen unfortunately Brooks was the right move at the time. He's probably a prime candidate for a restructure of some sorts given his injuries.  Ertz is gone. Dallas and Rodgers can probably adequately replace him at this juncture. Carson needs to go. I've seen enough. Hoping someone takes him on. He may be able to resurrect his career somewhere else but in Philly he has too much taking up real estate in his head. First Foles now Hurts. He's not mentally tough enough to overcome that it's pretty evident. He has shades of David Carr going and it's a shame. Time for a fresh start if they can find a taker. DeSean and Alshon are out of here. No guarantee Kelce will be back. Peters finally done. This thing is about to get blown up and for good reason.