DaEagles4Life Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 2 hours ago, downundermike said: The entire argument is dumb anyway. Bill Russell won 11 titles, the end. He played with 7 Hall of Famers thru out his career and never had to win more than 14 games in the playoffs. At times he only had to win 10, played in an era of zero FA, and had Red as his coach. He isn't in the conversation even though he is Top 10 2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said: Just all stupid to me. I love kobe but, he needed help just like every damn legend. Kobe played and copied everything Jordon did and played with the same mentality. Lebron isn't even in that conversation because his game is completely different from those 2. Still a great player though that needed help. They all needed help. I just don't understand the well he had less help BS. They all need it period. Isn't in the conversation of Kobe and Jordan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 4 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said: He played with 7 Hall of Famers thru out his career and never had to win more than 14 games in the playoffs. At times he only had to win 10, played in an era of zero FA, and had Red as his coach. He isn't in the conversation even though he is Top 10 Isn't in the conversation of Kobe and Jordan? I meant in terms of playing style. As far as overall player yes absolutely one of the greatest of all time. I won't put a number out there because it's stupid. It's what ever you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaEagles4Life Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Yeah, he plays differently aka drive it to the paint and try to stop me. He has just recently evolved his game to include more jumpers. I think Jordan is the GOAT still but I don't think any player in any sport has lived and exceeded the hype like James has. He has been absolutely incredible to watch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said: Yeah, he plays differently aka drive it to the paint and try to stop me. He has just recently evolved his game to include more jumpers. I think Jordan is the GOAT still but I don't think any player in any sport has lived and exceeded the hype like James has. He has been absolutely incredible to watch. LeBron's passing is incredible too, but also gets him trashed. Which is why he is getting the sheet he is getting right now for passing the ball to Danny Green instead of taking the shot that they say Jordan and Kobe would of taken. That's always been his game though he looks for the right play and that was the right play. Green just for some reason absolutely blows this series. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said: LeBron's passing is incredible too, but also gets him trashed. Which is why he is getting the sheet he is getting right now for passing the ball to Danny Green instead of taking the shot that they say Jordan and Kobe would of taken. That's always been his game though he looks for the right play and that was the right play. Green just for some reason absolutely blows this series. The great players know when to defer at the right time. Jordan made the pass to Kerr and Paxson. No sane person is going to trash LeBron for making the pass if it's the right one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mat said: The great players know when to defer at the right time. Jordan made the pass to Kerr and Paxson. No sane person is going to trash LeBron for making the pass if it's the right one Agreed, some are though unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West_Philly Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 52 minutes ago, Mat said: The great players know when to defer at the right time. Jordan made the pass to Kerr and Paxson. No sane person is going to trash LeBron for making the pass if it's the right one Only if they make it is it considered the right time 😞 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West_Philly Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 I actually see Bron as Pippen 2.0. Not as a sidekick but in style of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfather Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Lakers baby! 17x champs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazletonEagle Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Well that sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenkins27 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 12 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said: LeBron's passing is incredible too, but also gets him trashed. Which is why he is getting the sheet he is getting right now for passing the ball to Danny Green instead of taking the shot that they say Jordan and Kobe would of taken. That's always been his game though he looks for the right play and that was the right play. Green just for some reason absolutely blows this series. He has always made the correct basketball play instead of making the play people want to see from a superstar. At times, he gets criticized for it. But it’s usually always the correct basketball play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenkins27 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 LeGOAT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazehound Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Lefraud 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastJenkins Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 AD was the clear mvp 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenkins27 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 48 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: AD was the clear mvp It was unanimous 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastJenkins Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 stupid groupthink often is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_hunt Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 lakers front office did absolutely nothing to win this championship except be located in los angeles where bron wanted to live. can't stand this era of the nba where superstars team up to form super teams. tbs said...bron & brow are a lethal combination. brow might be the best player bron has ever teamed up with...and he's most certainly the ugliest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaEagles4Life Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 30 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: lakers front office did absolutely nothing to win this championship except be located in los angeles where bron wanted to live. can't stand this era of the nba where superstars team up to form super teams. tbs said...bron & brow are a lethal combination. brow might be the best player bron has ever teamed up with...and he's most certainly the ugliest. He is beyond the best player. At times, AD looks like the best player in the world and others just a high lvl #2. If AD can be more consistent they will win another and think next will be James's last year where his body starts to break down. The bubble really saved him these last few months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenkins27 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 hours ago, mr_hunt said: lakers front office did absolutely nothing to win this championship except be located in los angeles where bron wanted to live. can't stand this era of the nba where superstars team up to form super teams. tbs said...bron & brow are a lethal combination. brow might be the best player bron has ever teamed up with...and he's most certainly the ugliest. It’s why I prefer the NFL. My Cavs will never win a ring again in my lifetime unless we get another hometown kid. It’s just the way the NBA is. Superstars aren’t ever going to come team up in Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 7 hours ago, mr_hunt said: lakers front office did absolutely nothing to win this championship except be located in los angeles where bron wanted to live. can't stand this era of the nba where superstars team up to form super teams. tbs said...bron & brow are a lethal combination. brow might be the best player bron has ever teamed up with...and he's most certainly the ugliest. They did dump their entire future for the next 4-5 years to get Anthony Davis for possibly 1 year with no guarantee they would win a championship.. so they did take a huge gamble just for maybe 1 championship. Looked like they screwed themselves after what clippers did. So no they didn't build a team but, they had to put the work in and lose a lot of assets and get the right role players just to make them contenders again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaEagles4Life Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: They did dump their entire future for the next 4-5 years to get Anthony Davis for possibly 1 year with no guarantee they would win a championship.. so they did take a huge gamble just for maybe 1 championship. Looked like they screwed themselves after what clippers did. So no they didn't build a team but, they had to put the work in and lose a lot of assets and get the right role players just to make them contenders again. When you have two top players in the world basketball becomes a bit more easy for the role players. I am interested if basketball slowly shifts back to bigger lineups. Lakers got a title because of their size and ability to go get offensive rebounds for easy points 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: When you have two top players in the world basketball becomes a bit more easy for the role players. I am interested if basketball slowly shifts back to bigger lineups. Lakers got a title because of their size and ability to go get offensive rebounds for easy points Well yes obviously but, still not guaranteed. Everyone thought the clippers would be unstoppable and they never really came together and they had way better role players. That size only works if they can all play inside and outside and can actually get up and down the court. The lakers still had a hell of a time with smaller lineups which is why Howard and Mcgee hardly even played the whole playoffs except against the Nuggets with the joker who still gave them fits because of his ability to play inside and outside. Bam also gave them problems when he came back for the same reasons. The guards on those teams still ate them up on the perimeter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaEagles4Life Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Just now, Bwestbrook36 said: Well yes obviously but, still not guaranteed. Everyone thought the clippers would be unstoppable and they never really came together and they had way better role players. That size only works if they can all play inside and outside and can actually get up and down the court. The lakers still had a hell of a time with smaller lineups which is why Howard and Mcgee hardly even played the whole playoffs except against the Nuggets with the joker who still gave them fits because of his ability to play inside and outside. Bam also gave them problems when he came back for the same reasons. The guards on those teams still ate them up on the perimeter. Their perimeter D is miserable and think Goran might have made a difference. Also, Raptors team from last year beats both of these teams 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Just now, DaEagles4Life said: Their perimeter D is miserable and think Goran might have made a difference. Also, Raptors team from last year beats both of these teams Agreed on both. That raptors team was so damn versatile and played incredible defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
we_gotta_believe Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 10/11/2020 at 9:50 AM, Bwestbrook36 said: LeBron's passing is incredible too, but also gets him trashed. Which is why he is getting the sheet he is getting right now for passing the ball to Danny Green instead of taking the shot that they say Jordan and Kobe would of taken. That's always been his game though he looks for the right play and that was the right play. Green just for some reason absolutely blows this series. It's easy to say Jordan would've taken a game-winning shot instead of passing it like LeBron does because he played in an era where double teams via zone as a form of defense was basically illegal. The iso game was so much more potent back then and basically catered to Jordan's skill set. I'm not faulting him and Phil for taking full advantage of the framework they played in, but it's something that often gets overlooked in these comparisons between Jordan and LeBron. LeBron, who's already putting up gaudy numbers, would've put up even better numbers back then in the same situation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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