26 minutes ago, downundermike said:

This.  100% this.

Hurts is a running QB.

Wilson is a mobile QB.

They are not the same.

 In Wilson's 3rd season he ran for 849 yds.  You have to give young players time to actually grow, and develop.  If everyone took your idiotic approach, Trevor Lawrence will be forever seen as a backup QB in about 3 more games. I mean, cos he's obviously not a pocket passer due to how many INTs he's thrown.  What about all the INTs Peyton Manning threw in his first season?  Should the Colts have given up on him after throwing 28 interceptions in one season?

Anyway, I'm still eager to see what we have in Hurts, and seeing how much he improves or regresses over the season. I never expected him to be elite though. Also, aside from an 11 game stretch with Wentz, and Foles' 27 and 2 season, there hasn't been any "elite" QB play here since the 2004 McNabb & T.O. season. 

Anyway, last night was ugly all around. Hurts was inaccurate, our head coach looks like a complete idiot, and the defense can't run, or pass defend.  My biggest issues right now are with coaching, as Reid liked to say, he's not "putting his players in the best position to win."  Does Nick know that running the ball is a thing? It also seems like the inability to make adjustments at halftime are back. But yeah, let's put in mediocre mustache man and he'll save us 😂

51 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Well to be fair Brady was most likely not drafted to ever see the field or at the very least a back up... 

True.....but one of the Patriots scouts wanted to take him in the 3rd round.  And he worked his way up from 4th string.......and he probably learned a ton being on the bench that first year.  And he was pretty average his first starting year.....BUT, they didn't have him throw 40+ times a game, he had the same OC for the 1st 5 years of his career and New England was a pretty dam good team.

My point is if the patriots were a bad team or even borderline, with coaching changes every other year or new offensive systems all the time, would he have developed the way he did?

It's lazy to say "he's a HOFer" so he would have been great......but in reality, if belechick was fired after Brady's first year, would he have even gotten a decent shot? What if Bledsoe didn't get injured?  

Brady got the time, the coaching and the patience to develop......he had the benefit of very good offensive minds, teams with strong defenses and he had good receivers. Obviously, his success since then had been incredible. 

2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Accuracy usually does not get better. People will probably point to Josh Allen but that is  rare. Once in awhile they will have an outlier game but it always falls back to their averages. We have had plenty of inaccurate QBs of our own over the years for proof. 

You combine already bad accuracy with a dead arm and late on throws and Hurts almost has a an impossible battle. The only reason he ended up with a 64% completion last night was because of the gimmes at the end of the game. I think at one point he was below 50%! That is putrid. 

Sure siri did him no favors but my god this is a passing league a half decent QB can get 60% in their sleep. 

I don't think they will give him a whole season to clean all that up. 

You have better alternative suggestions? Because I do not. If he fails, we get high draft picks next year. If he by some miracle does get better, and I do want him to change his play on the field, then We have a , a rookie QB, going into year 2 with some experience. Either way we are stuck with Hurts. Watkins is not coming..at least any time soon. Next year QB draft is not great, and giving away all our draft capital, for another mediocre QB is a dumb option. I do not see a lot of alternatives to sticking with Hurts. The only thing that can be improved is Mailta coming back healthy, and Siri incorporating a running game into his plans.

Young QBs have a tendency under stress to stop with their progression as they are too eager to make something happen.  It's a fundamental skill that will come and go with young QBs when put under pressure.  It shows itself by locking on to their first read and forcing it, or getting happy feet or even slowing their progression and holding the ball too long.

We haven't seen nearly enough of Hurts to know if he will get better at that.....What they have to see is how he bounces back from this performance.  And Sirianni needs to help him with the running game.  Last night was national TV in a revved up dallas stadium against a bitter rival and the taste of the loss to the 49ers still bitter......And Sirianni has him passing 16 out of 18 plays?  Why?  The defense was struggling, they were on the field a ton, and the eagles are doing 3 and outs without running the ball at all?

 

 

24 minutes ago, MF POON said:

In Wilson's 3rd season he ran for 849 yds. 

He also completed 63% of his passes and threw for 3500 yards.  Jalen Hurts is not good enough to do that, because he is a running QB.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

He also completed 63% of his passes and threw for 3500 yards.  Jalen Hurts is not good enough to do that, because he is a running QB.

Hurts is sitting at 66% completion so far, and is on pace to throw for over 4000 yards. Again, your rush to judgement is silly

Jalen took responsibility for the Loss and put it on himself as a leader.   There are things he can work on for sure.   Nick did not give him a good game plan with the lack of running game.   We are much more of a "Running Team" now with Jalen back there.  I know every game is different and sometime the run gets shut down.  This wasn't a that game.  There should of been well over 25 carries in this game.    Plus that would ran the clock down and kept Dallas off the field.   Again they all have work to do.  But Jalen did make mistakes.   He must always protect the ball.  It's better to throw it away than throw a pick.   

5 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Hurts is sitting at 66% completion so far, and is on pace to throw for over 4000 yards. Again, your rush to judgement is silly

Garbage time stats last night.  The same thing everyone kills Dak Prescott for.  The dude flat out sucked last night.  One read and run QB with a severe lack of NFL arm strength.  It was all on display last night.

19 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Garbage time stats last night.  The same thing everyone kills Dak Prescott for.  The dude flat out sucked last night.  One read and run QB with a severe lack of NFL arm strength.  It was all on display last night.

Yeah, every QB has garbage time stats each year. 

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

One read and run QB with a severe lack of NFL arm strength.

I thought it was just bad timing?

1 minute ago, ToDie4Eagles said:

I thought it was just bad timing?

The first INT was just an awful throw. That ball should've been out in front of the WR. I don't think it's a lack of arm strength, but more of an accuracy, or timing issue as you mentioned. Even the one pass to Watkins (I think) for the long 3rd down conversion, was behind him, and was more of a big play by the WR.  Like I said though, that stuff can be worked on, and I'm not going to say 'he can't do it' after 7 starts. 

6 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Yeah, every QB has garbage time stats each year. 

After the 2nd possesion of the second half, Hurts was 9 of 16 for 152 yards and 2 picks.  174 of his passing yards and both of his TD's came with the Cowboys up two scores playing prevent defense.

3 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

Sirianni is to blame for this loss.......when you have a young QB and good RBs and a good run blocking line, he should have started pounding the ball more......2 carries for Sanders?  WTF?

Boston Scott is missing in action, jordan howard is on the PS........Hurts shouldn't be passing more than 20-25 times a game.

This is doug pedersen sh--, pass, pass, pass.......For crying out loud, run the f------ ball. 

When Sirianni was hired, all I heard is that he will run the ball alot more.....well, that's horsesh---.  The run has and always will set up the passing game....especially with a young QB. 

Agreed.  I visit the colts message boards once in a while and their offence is a mess like ours and those dudes are now calling Sirianni the brain behind Frank's offence.  Its just the same as Frank was the brains behind Doug's offence. 🙂

 

30 minutes ago, downundermike said:

After the 2nd possesion of the second half, Hurts was 9 of 16 for 152 yards and 2 picks.  174 of his passing yards and both of his TD's came with the Cowboys up two scores playing prevent defense.

I'm not arguing that he didn't have garbage time stats... My point was that in the numbers you quoted for Wilson, there's some garbage time stats in there as well. 

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

You have better alternative suggestions? Because I do not. If he fails, we get high draft picks next year. If he by some miracle does get better, and I do want him to change his play on the field, then We have a , a rookie QB, going into year 2 with some experience. Either way we are stuck with Hurts. Watkins is not coming..at least any time soon. Next year QB draft is not great, and giving away all our draft capital, for another mediocre QB is a dumb option. I do not see a lot of alternatives to sticking with Hurts. The only thing that can be improved is Mailta coming back healthy, and Siri incorporating a running game into his plans.

If we trade up for a QB next year I would be surprised... wait, we have Howie at the helm. 😩

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Garbage time stats last night.  The same thing everyone kills Dak Prescott for.  The dude flat out sucked last night.  One read and run QB with a severe lack of NFL arm strength.  It was all on display last night.

I knew where the damn ball was going half the time, and I couldn't even see his eyes. His body, his head, every aspect of his positioning tells you where he is going... and it is almost always the first read. And when he goes through progressions, it is either rushed because he is about to run OR he instantly reads and throws the ball based on timing which is flawed (like the interception last night when he targeted reagor).

On one of the Lane Johnson holding calls. I can tell Lane was pissed that Hurts ran out the pocket when the pocket did not collapse. Some of these sacks and pressures are on Hurts as well. He is running right into the pressure. Most teams will not be able to hold Hurts like this. The Cowboys were able to because they have very good LBs

1 hour ago, QBhunter58 said:

I knew where the damn ball was going half the time, and I couldn't even see his eyes. His body, his head, every aspect of his positioning tells you where he is going... and it is almost always the first read. And when he goes through progressions, it is either rushed because he is about to run OR he instantly reads and throws the ball based on timing which is flawed (like the interception last night when he targeted reagor).

But honestly, that was his issues from college as well as games last year. Many of us were hoping for some growth, but it is really hard to change the habits of a player who was probably a better athlete than his opponents his whole life until this point (and SEC football). He's shown that he can score with backyard football plays, but this year he's been trying to make an effort to be a better pocket passer it just isn't happening so far. Maybe something clicks, but honestly, the myelin sheaths around his neurons are probably so thick that it would be difficult to change his behaviors.

 

 

3 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

You have better alternative suggestions? Because I do not. If he fails, we get high draft picks next year. If he by some miracle does get better, and I do want him to change his play on the field, then We have a , a rookie QB, going into year 2 with some experience. Either way we are stuck with Hurts. Watkins is not coming..at least any time soon. Next year QB draft is not great, and giving away all our draft capital, for another mediocre QB is a dumb option. I do not see a lot of alternatives to sticking with Hurts. The only thing that can be improved is Mailta coming back healthy, and Siri incorporating a running game into his plans.

Yay better draft picks ..... 🙄 

Also never said their was better options I'm just saying his accuracy is scary and isn't getting fixed this year. 

Also who is Watkins? Do you mean Watson? Yeah don't care about him either. 

The deep throws... Is Hurts throwing them up high and short on purpose, hoping his receivers make the play? Or is he just no good at throwing the long ball? Too many times he puts the deep throw up for grabs. I am wondering if he doesn't have the arm.

23 minutes ago, toolg said:

The deep throws... Is Hurts throwing them up high and short on purpose, hoping his receivers make the play? Or is he just no good at throwing the long ball? Too many times he puts the deep throw up for grabs. I am wondering if he doesn't have the arm.

He doesn't.

It’s still early but I’ll tell you what, it’s not looking good so far. He hasn’t done much to alleviate the concerns we all had about him - arm, accuracy, consistency

36 minutes ago, toolg said:

The deep throws... Is Hurts throwing them up high and short on purpose, hoping his receivers make the play? Or is he just no good at throwing the long ball? Too many times he puts the deep throw up for grabs. I am wondering if he doesn't have the arm.

It's not even up for grabs, they are all way short on the bad ones, the WR can not even fight for the ball.

Not good if Hurts can't throw deep. The Eagles have been building around speed: Smith, Reagor... Watkins ran a 4.35 40. It does them no good if Hurts can't hit the long ball.

12 minutes ago, toolg said:

Not good if Hurts can't throw deep. The Eagles have been building around speed: Smith, Reagor... Watkins ran a 4.35 40. It does them no good if Hurts can't hit the long ball.

It's even worse when he can't throw short and intermediate, damn near all of those passes were off target yesterday.