Players aren't gonna disrespect each other.

The reporter is fishing. McLeod says all the right things.

Are there any betting props out there on how long Jalen Hurts lasts as the Eagles' starting QB?

I think Hurts is playing in Seattle next year.

10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Maybe get a job as a reporter and ask McLeod. You're the one that wants to find hidden meaning in his reply. Hurts' teammates see him everyday in practice and on the field. 

I'm not looking for hidden meaning, I'm literally looking for one player that actually addresses what Hurts does well on the field during a play that shows he's made these giant leaps forward.  All the talk is about intangibles.  None of his teammates have ever discussed his reads, his arm, his quick decision making that I have seen... its always about his ability to extend plays, run to open things up for the backs, etc. etc.    It's just really interesting that not a single one ever mentions anything about his passing ability... which is really concerning to me.  

 

I can't remember the last time the Eagles had a QB and no one wanted to talk about his arm.  People talked about Jaworski's arm strength ("Polish Rifle" was his nickname).  Cunningham's arm was unreal.  Biggest issue with him was the long throwing motion, but his arm strength was second to none.  With McNabb, they constantly talked about his velocity.   Vick, again, like Cunningham had one of the strongest arms in the league with an effortless 'flick'.  Foles didn't have that same strength, but his touch was uncanny (when he was on), and Wentz, once again, was back to incredible arm strength.  Hurts?  No one talks about it.  

 

Just a reminder:

Here's a list of his strengths entering the league... Notice only one mention of his arm... "Adequate" is the adjective, and only in conjunction with being able to step and drive at the same time.  Which would, to me, be a backhanded complement, stating that without the ability to step into the throw he doesn't have adequate velocity.

And the list of the weaknesses, almost every one is about his ability in the passing game.  

17 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Because they hate him and don't want him on the team anymore.

I don't hate Hurts. Hurts is actually a very likeable person. I dislike how he's being propped up though. He doesn't deserve the starting position. it should be an open competition with whoever they bring in and Minshew

I do hate that whenever I criticize Hurts on Facebook that some of you Hurts fans will call me a fake fan, say I don't know football, I should go to another team, I should support the team even if there's better options

I don't tell Hurts fans they are fake fans or anything

15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't hate Hurts. Hurts is actually a very likeable person. I dislike how he's being propped up though. He doesn't deserve the starting position. it should be an open competition with whoever they bring in and Minshew

I do hate that whenever I criticize Hurts on Facebook that some of you Hurts fans will call me a fake fan, say I don't know football, I should go to another team, I should support the team even if there's better options

I don't tell Hurts fans they are fake fans or anything

This.  You are a fake fan if you can not be honest about the team and its players, and prop guys up who are not good enough.

29 minutes ago, downundermike said:

This.  You are a fake fan if you can not be honest about the team and its players, and prop guys up who are not good enough.

I believe the appropriate term would be 'stepford fan'.

42 minutes ago, downundermike said:

This.  You are a fake fan if you can not be honest about the team and its players, and prop guys up who are not good enough.

People are critical of you and others because you are not able to be honest about your assessment of Hurts. You and others here think he is a bottom of the league qb. That is clearly not what the vast majority of the experts think about him. Chris Simms thought this and had to apologize for it. Hurts is ranked in the top 20 of every prominent survey of league qbs. His PFF rating went from 56.2 to 80.8. His qbr went from 33.8 to 48.5. His quarterback rating went from 77.6 to 87.2.

You claim he hasn't gotten any better from his rookie season to his second season, and therefore can't improve. And you also claim that his improvement is solely due to the team around him being better or bad competition. You claim that this is clear to anyone watching games, and that anyone who disagrees with your assessment either is blinded by their love of Hurts or has an agenda.

Ultimately, you and others on here refuse to accept that you might be wrong, and professional evaluators might be right. Which is fine, but you can hardly be shocked when people disagree with you.

11 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

People are critical of you and others because you are not able to be honest about your assessment of Hurts. You and others here think he is a bottom of the league qb. That is clearly not what the vast majority of the experts think about him. Chris Simms thought this and had to apologize for it. Hurts is ranked in the top 20 of every prominent survey of league qbs. His PFF rating went from 56.2 to 80.8. His qbr went from 33.8 to 48.5. His quarterback rating went from 77.6 to 87.2.

You claim he hasn't gotten any better from his rookie season to his second season, and therefore can't improve. And you also claim that his improvement is solely due to the team around him being better or bad competition. You claim that this is clear to anyone watching games, and that anyone who disagrees with your assessment either is blinded by their love of Hurts or has an agenda.

Ultimately, you and others on here refuse to accept that you might be wrong, and professional evaluators might be right. Which is fine, but you can hardly be shocked when people disagree with you.

If you can't trust anything else, you can always trust Vegas.  It is their business to make money.

Sportsbooks have the Eagles 19th or lower to win the Super Bowl.  They have the same odds as the Saints, who have no QB, and are about to purge their roster due to the cap.  That tells you all you need to know about Hurts.

19 minutes ago, downundermike said:

If you can't trust anything else, you can always trust Vegas.  It is their business to make money.

Sportsbooks have the Eagles 19th or lower to win the Super Bowl.  They have the same odds as the Saints, who have no QB, and are about to purge their roster due to the cap.  That tells you all you need to know about Hurts.

It actually based on how they think people will bet. It has nothing to do with Hurts.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not looking for hidden meaning, I'm literally looking for one player that actually addresses what Hurts does well on the field during a play that shows he's made these giant leaps forward.  All the talk is about intangibles.  None of his teammates have ever discussed his reads, his arm, his quick decision making that I have seen... its always about his ability to extend plays, run to open things up for the backs, etc. etc.    It's just really interesting that not a single one ever mentions anything about his passing ability... which is really concerning to me.  

 

I can't remember the last time the Eagles had a QB and no one wanted to talk about his arm.  People talked about Jaworski's arm strength ("Polish Rifle" was his nickname).  Cunningham's arm was unreal.  Biggest issue with him was the long throwing motion, but his arm strength was second to none.  With McNabb, they constantly talked about his velocity.   Vick, again, like Cunningham had one of the strongest arms in the league with an effortless 'flick'.  Foles didn't have that same strength, but his touch was uncanny (when he was on), and Wentz, once again, was back to incredible arm strength.  Hurts?  No one talks about it.  

 

Just a reminder:

Here's a list of his strengths entering the league... Notice only one mention of his arm... "Adequate" is the adjective, and only in conjunction with being able to step and drive at the same time.  Which would, to me, be a backhanded complement, stating that without the ability to step into the throw he doesn't have adequate velocity.

And the list of the weaknesses, almost every one is about his ability in the passing game.  

Here's the thing, in watching the SB yesterday I wasn't at all impressed with Stafford, he missed a lot of passes and his arm strength isn't anything to write home about, I saw several playoff games where I thought that he had many off target and underthrown passes.

Concerning the analysis above, it's exactly right, especially the weaknesses.  The strength that stands out to me is "shows poise to make plays late in games", that tells me when he's not thinking but just doing what he knows he can do he's fine.  To me this all boils down to preparation, I don't thinks he's 100% prepared in games, if he were it would take care of most of his short comings.

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

People are critical of you and others because you are not able to be honest about your assessment of Hurts. You and others here think he is a bottom of the league qb. That is clearly not what the vast majority of the experts think about him. Chris Simms thought this and had to apologize for it. Hurts is ranked in the top 20 of every prominent survey of league qbs. His PFF rating went from 56.2 to 80.8. His qbr went from 33.8 to 48.5. His quarterback rating went from 77.6 to 87.2.

You claim he hasn't gotten any better from his rookie season to his second season, and therefore can't improve. And you also claim that his improvement is solely due to the team around him being better or bad competition. You claim that this is clear to anyone watching games, and that anyone who disagrees with your assessment either is blinded by their love of Hurts or has an agenda.

Ultimately, you and others on here refuse to accept that you might be wrong, and professional evaluators might be right. Which is fine, but you can hardly be shocked when people disagree with you.

 

Chris Simms admitted that he was wrong that he didn't have Hurts wasn't in his top 40. Doesn't mean he thinks Hurts is good, just means that he should be in the top 40 of QBs around the league. That is not "expert" validation of Hurt's ability. He continues to contend that his concerns "hold true" that it is difficult to win just relying on running the ball and Hurts ability to be effective passer is still up in the air. He then continued to detail all of his concerns about Hurt's passing issues (delivery, arm speed, spiral, low arm power, etc...). This assessment is similar to Cosell who didn't see "significant" growth as a passer, especially not enough to demonstrate that Hurts is ready to make a huge jump forward and become a top 10 QB. Which so called expert said that they expect Hurts to become a franchise passing QB?

 

 

 

 

20 hours ago, CouchKing said:

Trade Jalen Hurts for Carson Wentz.

I can already see the beanbaggers switch from saying everyone is good but the quarterback to everyone sucks but the quarterback. 😂🤣😂 I can also see the Eagles miss the playoffs and the Colts make it. 🤷‍♂️

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

. . .  the Eagles miss the playoffs and the Colts make it. 🤷‍♂️

That's funny . . . and sad.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

If you can't trust anything else, you can always trust Vegas.  It is their business to make money.

Sportsbooks have the Eagles 19th or lower to win the Super Bowl.  They have the same odds as the Saints, who have no QB, and are about to purge their roster due to the cap.  That tells you all you need to know about Hurts.

In 2017 the Eagles were 20th in SB odds in May of that year. So it sure doesn’t look like your assumption means much there bud. 
 

https://www.phillyvoice.com/look-back-eagles-and-patriots-super-bowl-odds-2017-season-progressed/

1 hour ago, kentwo said:

 

Chris Simms admitted that he was wrong that he didn't have Hurts wasn't in his top 40. Doesn't mean he thinks Hurts is good, just means that he should be in the top 40 of QBs around the league. That is not "expert" validation of Hurt's ability. He continues to content that his concerns "hold true" that it is difficult to win just relying on running the ball and Hurts ability to be effective passer is still up in the air. He then continued to detail all of his concerns about Hurt's passing issues (delivery, arm speed, spiral, low arm power, etc...).

Here's what Simms said about Hurts.

Barring a trade for a superstar quarterback, Simms agrees with the Eagles’ decision to run it back with Hurts in 2022. He wouldn’t draft a quarterback and set up a similar situation to what the Eagles had last year with Hurts and Carson Wentz.

Simms thinks Hurts will improve more in 2022, but the big question is how much?

"Let this play out,” Simms said. "Go all-in on this style of play and see if you can continue to kind of grow him into a more effective passer.”

So that's your source as someone who doesn't believe in Hurts. That's your expert witness. And you wonder why people think you may be wrong?

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not looking for hidden meaning, I'm literally looking for one player that actually addresses what Hurts does well on the field during a play that shows he's made these giant leaps forward.  All the talk is about intangibles.  None of his teammates have ever discussed his reads, his arm, his quick decision making that I have seen... its always about his ability to extend plays, run to open things up for the backs, etc. etc.    It's just really interesting that not a single one ever mentions anything about his passing ability... which is really concerning to me. 

And the list of the weaknesses, almost every one is about his ability in the passing game.  

 

Speaking of the bolded part above, someone in The Blog had posted a twitter link just after the season ended and it was in reference to a reporter asking DeVonta Smith about Hurts.  Now Smith was also his teammate at Alabama so he probably knows Hurts better than the rest of the Eagles and yet his answer (I can't recall specific details about what specifically he did say) it was obvious he was dancing around the question (the dancers of Riverdance would have been proud) and couldn't bring himself to come straight out and back his QB.  IIRC, he started out very hesitant and unsure what to say and then turned the answer into Hurts' positives in regard to work ethic, leadership, and character, etc.  It was very telling and I do remember a handful of us pointing it out.

As for the evaluations on his weaknesses, all of these are still true right now.  Some posters here can use some stats to say he has improved, but the improvement is marginal at best.  What they don't consider is that he has a low ceiling and while he could continue to make marginal improvements each season that the total of those won't be enough to make him a starting QB who can win you playoff games.  Plus, marginal improvements take too long and he'll hit his ceiling sooner than later and then you won't even have those marginal improvements. 

Unless he makes a miraculous quantum leap of an improvement this season (That is, IF the FO doesn't trade for a different starting QB) then his ceiling is limited to a career backup. 

 

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Here's what Simms said about Hurts.

Barring a trade for a superstar quarterback, Simms agrees with the Eagles’ decision to run it back with Hurts in 2022. He wouldn’t draft a quarterback and set up a similar situation to what the Eagles had last year with Hurts and Carson Wentz.

Simms thinks Hurts will improve more in 2022, but the big question is how much?

"Let this play out,” Simms said. "Go all-in on this style of play and see if you can continue to kind of grow him into a more effective passer.”

So that's your source as someone who doesn't believe in Hurts. That's your expert witness. And you wonder why people think you may be wrong?

 

No where in those quotes does he say that Hurts is a good QB. He even avoided predicting Hurt's ceiling and focused more on his deficiencies as a passer. It reinforces that the Eagles are in QB purgatory based on where the team is and the current options available to them. Did he say Hurts is a good passer? Or an elite franchise QB? No. Because no expert has said that. They say that Hurts should start because the draft QBs are equally deficient.

 

On 2/7/2022 at 3:14 PM, mattmcginley7 said:

Eagles fans

 

Acknowledge Reagor is bad: 👍

Acknowledge JJAW is bad: 👍

Acknowledge Barnett is bad: 👍

Hate Jonathan Gannon: 👍

Say Hurts was a bad QB: you know nothing 😡, you're rooting for him to fail, you aren't a real fan

Actually Gannon is well respected in the league and most consider him a great NFL coach. He does have something in common with Hurts though. A small sample size of information and Eagles fans think he stinks. Of course these are the same people who wanted to fire Doug and ASSumed Reich was the reason Doug won so. They’re also the people who are ASSuming that Russell Wilson is going to come to Philly and win even though he’s didn’t do it with his team. Or Aaron Rodgers who couldn’t even win at home in Green Bay after a bye week. 🤷‍♂️

5 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I believe the appropriate term would be 'stepford fan'.

Stepford should have won Super Bowl MVP.

I'm a Stepford fan.

5 hours ago, jsb235 said:

It actually based on how they think people will bet. It has nothing to do with Hurts.

 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

In 2017 the Eagles were 20th in SB odds in May of that year. So it sure doesn’t look like your assumption means much there bud. 
 

https://www.phillyvoice.com/look-back-eagles-and-patriots-super-bowl-odds-2017-season-progressed/

Right - and the Bengals were rank outsiders this year.

This is a typical example of manipulating or misinterpreting data to fit the narrative.

The Eagles being 19th in betting does not mean Hurts sucks.

9 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

Right - and the Bengals were rank outsiders this year.

This is a typical example of manipulating or misinterpreting data to fit the narrative.

The Eagles being 19th in betting does not mean Hurts sucks.

This is an overall team assumption. It has nothing to do with individual play and it’s based on how people are laying their bets. Heck Vegas had the Eagles over/under wins last season at 6 1/2. Judging by that Vegas was very much wrong on Hurts and the Eagles. 

6 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Actually Gannon is well respected in the league and most consider him a great NFL coach. He does have something in common with Hurts though. A small sample size of information and Eagles fans think he stinks. Of course these are the same people who wanted to fire Doug and ASSumed Reich was the reason Doug won so. They’re also the people who are ASSuming that Russell Wilson is going to come to Philly and win even though he’s didn’t do it with his team. Or Aaron Rodgers who couldn’t even win at home in Green Bay after a bye week. 🤷‍♂️

Hurts is bad

1 hour ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Hurts is bad

Meh. I’ve seen much worse. Whining about Hurts isn’t going to change anything. What’s the point? 

we need a real QB. The Rams won the SB without a running game. A team MUST have a QB who is VERY GOOD.

48 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

we need a real QB. The Rams won the SB without a running game. A team MUST have a QB who is VERY GOOD.

Yup, they put it on the arm of Matt Stafford  and their only healthy weapon left in Kupp and those 2 were told to go win the game.