Jalen Hurts - shoulder sprain injury; expected for playoffs

[brkmsn]

8 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

If he plays anywhere near where Prescott has played, it will be absolutely shocking.  Damn near every professional talent evaluator will have been completely wrong.  

LOL. That's never happened before. 

The same people were wrong about Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Joe Montana, Randall Cunningham, to name a few. Also, the same people were high on Ryan Leaf, Todd Marinovich, Jeff George, Tim Couch, Johnny Manziel, Akili Smith, Cade McNown, JaMarcus Russell, Josh Rozen ...

It's not like scouts aren't or weren't trying. Even when they seemingly get it right (i.e. Sam Bradford, Andrew Luck), there's no way to predict circumstances that can alter a career. 

 

I have no way of knowing how good Hurts will be. I like what I hear from teammates about his leadership. I like how he spreads the ball around as a passer. I like that he seems smart and the coaches are praising him on how well he picks up the offense. Understanding that he was a rookie, I fully expect him to get better each year he plays. I also know that he needs to get better. Had he played the amount of snaps last year that Wentz played, at the rate he was fumbling he would have had 27 fumbles. Obviously, that needs to get cleaned up. Then there were the plays where he bailed on the pass while he had WRs open for big gains and/or TDs. He needs to be patient in the pocket. Under the circumstances last year went about how you would expect for a rookie who only really came in because the starter had his worst season as a pro. If I had my way, Wentz would have never been benched and we'd be watching him rebound this season from a terrible season (as an Eagle). Obviously, I didn't get my way, but that doesn't mean I won't be rooting for Hurts. I don't really believe Hurts provided a "spark" that everybody talks about. As I mentioned at the time (he replaced Wentz), we began using the hurry-up on offense that was our fall-back spark all year long. It just so happens that Hurts was in when we changed up. But I just don't understand why people are writing off Hurts before he gets the chance to be "the guy" and prepare for the season as "the guy." He didn't really get that as a rookie on a dysfunctional team.

[birdman#12]

On 5/18/2021 at 10:50 AM, devpool said:

Prescott waan't a franchise QB level guy until they gave him a superstar WR, a truly great QB will play well without those guys. Before Cooper showed up dak was the literal definition of average, pretty much middle of the pack in every statistical category except turnovers. He wasn't losing games for the cowboys but he wasn't winning them any either. And that was with a great o line and running back to lean on. 

The amount of 1 or 0 TD games dak had before Cooper showed up is all you need to look at. 

Prescott has better stats in his first 3-4 years than almost all those "tier 1" QBs had in their first few years.

Why is it when you guys don't like somebody, all his accomplishments are written off to a supporting cast?  If you do like somebody, he wins game by himself?  

Oh, and what is the definition of the idiotic "franchise QB" label again?

[devpool]

1 hour ago, birdman#12 said:

Prescott has better stats in his first 3-4 years than almost all those "tier 1" QBs had in their first few years.

Why is it when you guys don't like somebody, all his accomplishments are written off to a supporting cast?  If you do like somebody, he wins game by himself?  

O, and what is the definition of the idiotic "franchise QB" label again?

I'm not gonna sit here and argue with a guy who apparently thinks dak Prescott is a tier 1 qb lmfao. The guy fell into a perfect situation in Dallas where, for his first 2 years in the league, he just had to not turn the ball over and lean on zeke and his HOF tight end. Then they get him a superstar receiver in Cooper and then he starts putting up numbers. Had the eagles drafted him instead of wentz, he would probably be out of the league right now. 

All you look at is totals. Again, go look at how many 0-1 td games he has and come back here. 

And since you can't figure out what a franchise qb is, its a guy that isn't dependent on having superstar talent around him to play at a high level.

Prescott is a fine Qb. Won't lose you games but isn't going to carry a team when they aren't playing well. Idk why you are getting your panties in a bunch when I have said this repeatedly.

[The guy in France]

On 5/16/2021 at 11:25 PM, devpool said:

There aren't a lot of tier 1 QBs, so yea tier 2 would be pretty solid for hurts.

Tier 1 is Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Wilson

Hurts will never be that level. 

Sad that other than Brady ( ultimate game manager ) the other 3 only have won 1 SB each

Curious what tier Wentz is considered, other than 2017 mediocre and I do understand the injury was career altering but that’s the cards he/we were dealt and why I hate putting all your eggs in 1 basket. Has he earned the double standard that some choose to give him ? All things being equal we are in a better situation now because if Hurts doesn’t look like he can at least become a decent tier 2 QB his leash is way shorter

Hurts needs the threat of running to get his receivers open to become the best QB he can be, create chaos, a method to the madness. I’m ok with that type of QB because he seems to avoid the big hits just needs to hang on to the ball much better

[Mr_Philly]

Joe Flacco’s opinion on Hurts........

[rrfierce]

14 minutes ago, Mr_Philly said:

Joe Flacco’s opinion on Hurts........

fake news

[The guy in France]

Stats for who most consider the best QB of all-time. So for instance if Hurts in the next season or so could throw and RUSH for 4,600 yds with 13 TO’s per season ( adjusted for 17 gams per )  he would be very comparable to the GOAT. Just need the D’s Brady had ... and a li’l edge

Regular season

Year	Team	Games			Passing									Rushing					Sacked		Fumbles
		GP	GS	Record	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	Lng	TD	Int	Rtg	Att	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Sck	Yds	Fum	Lost
2000	NE	1	0	—	1	3	33.3	6	2.0	6	0	0	42.4	0	0	0.0	0	0	0	0	0	0
2001	NE	15	14	11−3	264	413	63.9	2,843	6.9	91	18	12	86.5	36	43	1.2	12	0	41	216	12	3
2002	NE	16	16	9−7	373	601	62.1	3,764	6.3	49	28	14	85.7	42	110	2.6	15	1	31	190	11	5
2003	NE	16	16	14−2	317	527	60.2	3,620	6.9	82	23	12	85.9	42	63	1.5	11	1	32	219	13	5
2004	NE	16	16	14−2	288	474	60.8	3,692	7.8	50	28	14	92.6	43	28	0.7	10	0	26	162	7	5
2005	NE	16	16	10−6	334	530	63.0	4,110	7.8	71	26	14	92.3	27	89	3.3	15	1	26	188	4	3
2006	NE	16	16	12−4	319	516	61.8	3,529	6.8	62	24	12	87.9	49	102	2.1	22	0	26	175	12	4
2007	NE	16	16	16−0	398	578	68.9	4,806	8.3	69	50	8	117.2	37	98	2.6	19	2	21	128	6	4
2008	NE	1	1	1−0	7	11	63.6	76	6.9	26	0	0	83.9	0	0	0.0	0	0	0	0	0	0
2009	NE	16	16	10−6	371	565	65.7	4,398	7.8	81	28	13	96.2	29	44	1.5	9	1	16	86	4	2
2010	NE	16	16	14−2	324	492	65.9	3,900	7.9	79	36	4	111.0	31	30	1.0	9	1	25	175	3	1
2011	NE	16	16	13−3	401	611	65.6	5,235	8.6	99	39	12	105.6	43	109	2.5	13	3	32	173	6	2
2012	NE	16	16	12−4	401	637	63.0	4,827	7.6	83	34	8	98.7	23	32	1.4	7	4	27	182	2	0
2013	NE	16	16	12−4	380	628	60.5	4,343	6.9	81	25	11	87.3	32	18	0.6	11	0	40	256	9	3
2014	NE	16	16	12−4	373	582	64.1	4,109	7.1	69	33	9	97.4	36	57	1.6	17	0	21	134	6	3
2015	NE	16	16	12−4	402	624	64.4	4,770	7.6	76	36	7	102.2	34	53	1.6	13	3	38	225	6	2
2016	NE	12	12	11−1	291	432	67.4	3,554	8.2	79	28	2	112.2	28	64	2.3	15	0	15	87	5	0
2017	NE	16	16	13−3	385	581	66.3	4,577	7.9	64	32	8	102.8	25	28	1.1	7	0	35	201	7	3
2018	NE	16	16	11−5	375	570	65.8	4,355	7.6	63	29	11	97.7	23	35	1.5	10	2	21	147	4	2
2019	NE	16	16	12−4	373	613	60.8	4,057	6.6	59	24	8	88.0	26	34	1.3	17	3	27	185	4	1
2020	TB	16	16	11−5	401	610	65.7	4,633	7.6	50	40	12	102.2	30	6	0.2	4	3	21	143	4	1
Career		301	299	230−69	6,778	10,598	64.0	79,204	7.5	99	581	191	97.2	637	1,045	1.7	22	25	521	3,272	125	49

 

[brkmsn]

5 hours ago, devpool said:

And since you can't figure out what a franchise qb is, its a guy that isn't dependent on having superstar talent around him to play at a high level.

Was Troy Aikman a franchise QB?

[NOTW]

IMO Hurts had a typical rookie performance where he showed some good things, and definitely things to improve on.  He was thrown into a losing season with major injuries to the O line and inconsistency in the receiving options.  Tough to truly evaluate with last year alone, now a new coach and system.  They are giving him a new weapon in Smith and I like the addition of Gainwell to the RB group.  He will have every opportunity to prove himself and convince the organization that he is the guy going forward.  From what we know about him and have seen/heard from him, he seems like a very dedicated hard worker and always wants to improve.  

Just have to be patient and see how the season goes.  Fans like to jump to conclusions and base decisions on a game or 2 (or even just one series).  But we'll have to see how he performs the entire season.  The coaches and front office have no need to rush into any judgment about him.  They will play this season out and see how they feel at the end of the season.  

[UK_EaglesFan89]

43 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Just have to be patient and see how the season goes.  Fans like to jump to conclusions and base decisions on a game or 2 (or even just one series).  But we'll have to see how he performs the entire season.  The coaches and front office have no need to rush into any judgment about him.  They will play this season out and see how they feel at the end of the season.  

And that's what this team are going to do I think. Unless they do trade for Watson (more likely next year I think) then they have a whole year to really evaluate Hurts and decide if he's good enough to go forwards with.

[Infam]

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

IMO Hurts had a typical rookie performance where he showed some good things, and definitely things to improve on.  He was thrown into a losing season with major injuries to the O line and inconsistency in the receiving options.  Tough to truly evaluate with last year alone, now a new coach and system.  They are giving him a new weapon in Smith and I like the addition of Gainwell to the RB group.  He will have every opportunity to prove himself and convince the organization that he is the guy going forward.  From what we know about him and have seen/heard from him, he seems like a very dedicated hard worker and always wants to improve.  

Just have to be patient and see how the season goes.  Fans like to jump to conclusions and base decisions on a game or 2 (or even just one series).  But we'll have to see how he performs the entire season.  The coaches and front office have no need to rush into any judgment about him.  They will play this season out and see how they feel at the end of the season.  

That is true and fair.

But I do reserve the right to say: My gut tells me he is going to be a star. Not talking about hard evidence, but I just... know. 

 

[CouchKing]

Jalen Hurts will have an MVP year on his way to one of many SuperBowl victories (see Tony Romo for SuperBowl win predictions).

Jalen will be the number one baby name in the area for both boys and girls. Dozens of parents will legally change their kid’s name to Jalen...from Carson.

Me and many others will probably get a Jalen Hurts tattoo on my buttocks.

[Thrive]

58 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Jalen Hurts will have an MVP year on his way to one of many SuperBowl victories (see Tony Romo for SuperBowl win predictions).

Jalen will be the number one baby name in the area for both boys and girls. Dozens of parents will legally change their kid’s name to Jalen...from Carson.

Me and many others will probably get a Jalen Hurts tattoo on my buttocks.

Tony Romo said what?

[CouchKing]

Cowboys owner was singing Tony Romo’s praises early in his career, predicting Romo would win multiple SuperBowls.

[birdman#12]

15 hours ago, devpool said:

I'm not gonna sit here and argue with a guy who apparently thinks dak Prescott is a tier 1 qb lmfao. The guy fell into a perfect situation in Dallas where, for his first 2 years in the league, he just had to not turn the ball over and lean on zeke and his HOF tight end. Then they get him a superstar receiver in Cooper and then he starts putting up numbers. Had the eagles drafted him instead of wentz, he would probably be out of the league right now. 

All you look at is totals. Again, go look at how many 0-1 td games he has and come back here. 

And since you can't figure out what a franchise qb is, its a guy that isn't dependent on having superstar talent around him to play at a high level.

Prescott is a fine Qb. Won't lose you games but isn't going to carry a team when they aren't playing well. Idk why you are getting your panties in a bunch when I have said this repeatedly.

You won't argue because your argument is weak and idiotic.  You ignore the facts of what Prescott has accomplished in his first 5 years.

You're one of those guys who cherry picks weak facts and blows them out of proportion and claims that it proves your point.

And your definition of "franchise QB" is idiotic........and the fact that you've said this repeatedly about prescott just proves you don't know what the f---- you're talking about.

[CouchKing]

Are they selling Jalen Hurts #1 jerseys yet? I wanna be first in line.

[GreenMachine]

On 5/18/2021 at 9:43 AM, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

SMH. Somehow, he has been incredibly durable compared to his bigger peers and is routinely considered one of the top 5 centers in the NFL.

Hasn't Kelce had like 3 All Pro seasons ? I don''t post much but have been a birds fan for a over 2 decades and that guy has everything you want on your team. I don't direct this at you but at the other guy mentioning his weight. Heart is what counts and he has that in spades. 

[Infam]

12 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

You ignore the facts of what Prescott has accomplished in his first 5 years.

He accomplished absolutely nothing really.

[brkmsn]

There are terms, when describing a player (like a QB) that are subjective. Terms like "elite" can mean something different from person to person. However, people sometimes try too hard and combine the definition for "elite" with the term "franchise QB." A franchise QB is simply a QB that a team invests in and attempts to build around moving forward. Not all franchise QBs will be elite. Some won't even last long. Wentz was far from elite last season, but he was our franchise QB that we had been building around and had signed to a team-unfriendly contract extension. 

The Eagles haven't made that kind of commitment to Hurts and at this point they will be evaluating his future with the team. So I doubt anybody is labeling Hurts as a franchise QB yet. It's premature and stupid to say he will never be one, though. Dak, on the other hand, is clearly a franchise QB at this point. I don't see how one can argue otherwise. Is he "elite?" That is subjective. He isn't near the top of my list, but he's much better than I wish he was.

[CouchKing]

Jalen Hurts might be Kevin Kolb like elite. Keeping my fingers crossed.

[jsb235]

Here's all you need to know about Hurts.

In 30 percent of the team's snaps, he had a 7.2 average yards per attempt, scored nine touchdowns and had six turnovers.

As far as his turnovers, four were interceptions. Two came in the last minute of games when they were down by double digits. Another came against the WFT when his receiver made a horrible play. On the flip side, he had nine fumbles and only two were lost, so that is an issue.

If he can average over 7.2 yards per attempt, score 30+ total touchdowns and generate less than 12 turnovers over a season, he's your qb. He is well on his was to achieving most of those benchmarks. His one issue is turnovers, and specifically fumbles.

People want to nitpick this kid and talk about accuracy, decision making, reads and other nonsense. But the simple fact is this - QBs who throw the ball efficiently, score touchdowns and don't turn the ball over have a future in the league, and those who don't, don't. 

[eglz1]

8 hours ago, Infam said:

He accomplished absolutely nothing really.

He's gonna get a TON of Jerrah's money. That's accomplishing something IMO.

[CouchKing]

What if Newman is lights out in preseason? Is he the starter?

[Swoop]

On 5/19/2021 at 5:17 PM, Thrive said:

Tony Romo said what?

Ow, my back.

[eagle45]

13 hours ago, brkmsn said:

There are terms, when describing a player (like a QB) that are subjective. Terms like "elite" can mean something different from person to person. However, people sometimes try too hard and combine the definition for "elite" with the term "franchise QB." A franchise QB is simply a QB that a team invests in and attempts to build around moving forward. Not all franchise QBs will be elite. Some won't even last long. Wentz was far from elite last season, but he was our franchise QB that we had been building around and had signed to a team-unfriendly contract extension. 

The Eagles haven't made that kind of commitment to Hurts and at this point they will be evaluating his future with the team. So I doubt anybody is labeling Hurts as a franchise QB yet. It's premature and stupid to say he will never be one, though. Dak, on the other hand, is clearly a franchise QB at this point. I don't see how one can argue otherwise. Is he "elite?" That is subjective. He isn't near the top of my list, but he's much better than I wish he was.

I have 2 thoughts on a franchise qb:

1.  (And this is the most important one)...the franchise has made a substantial investment in said qb and isn’t looking to upgrade.

You fit that...you are, by the definition of the word, your franchise’s qb.  If you don’t, you’re just the starting qb.

2.  (This is my subjective addendum)...all teams with franchise qbs either hope the QB can become elite or believe that he already is.  Elite defined as a qb who constantly puts your team in SB contention, gives you one of the best offenses in the NFL, and is a perennial pro bowler.  
 

So you either are the above...or your team thinks you can become that.

 

The vast majority of the time, once that upside is gone, your team is looking to upgrade...then go back to point #1...you aren’t a franchise qb.