Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If Sewell is even an option at 6, it’s a no brainer.  

I think the Eagles are trying to push as many teams towards drafting qbs up top as possible.   If that happens, Sewell could conceivably fall.

 

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

Here's a scenario for #6. Say the QBs don't go early. Say we're not interested in any of the QBs. Chase, Smith, Pitts, and Sewell go off the board 2-5. You can't trade out for some reason. There are no takers. Who do you draft?

While that’s a crappy situation, that also means Wilson, Fields, and Lance are on the board.

I can’t imagine we wouldn’t get a great return for that pick.

Just now, eagle45 said:

While that’s a crappy situation, that also means Wilson, Fields, and Lance are on the board.

I can’t imagine we wouldn’t get a great return for that pick.

Yeah, it's an unlikely hypothetical. It's the ideal outcome if we want to trade out.

My real concern is Chase at #6...love him or hate him...bottom line is that he’s a 6’ contested catch possession WR.  
 

I have concerns with that.

42 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

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When is his pro day? 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

I know @Jenkins27 would love this draft.  @Outlaw and @Ray75, thoughts ??

 

I like Bateman with the trade down. Love Davis but I dunno if he’s still there at 38. Grant is one of my 3 favorite safeties in the draft, Ford is one of the others (Cisco being the last one. Not counting Moehring as I don’t see us having a shot at him). I love 2 CBs even if Adebo is a risk. High reward potential though too. Newsome has great size though at 6’1” and can play outside. Myers and Surratt is a real solid 3rd round. I’ll admit to not knowing a lot about Ta’Quon Graham but I think young D line talent is a necessity. And I’m not a huge Teague fan, I’d rather Rakeem Boyd or Brian Robinson if waiting until R7 for a RB. Overall I’d give it a solid B+. The extra 3rd next year is nice too. 

One good thing about Pitts is he'll only be 21 in October. So if he were to get drafted while we're in rebuild then it's not like we're likely to waste a ton of prime years

I hope Howie is thinking about the ages of these draft prospects since we're not going to be contending 

37 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Kyle Pitts is from Philly.  So now the obsession starts to make a little sense.  But let’s just say he runs sub 4.5.  I still don’t see him as a Vernon Davis kind of freak.  Davis ran a sub 4.4.  Pitts is a few inches taller than Davis was.  Guess where Davis was picked.  #6 overall.  Had a good long career.  But never went over a 1,000 yards receiving. Was never a generational player or a cornerstone to a championship.  Those certainly are not requisites for drafting anyone at #6. But I’ll argue until I am blue in the face, you don’t use key draft equity for a pass catcher unless your team is pretty much set.  We’re far from that.  I get the guy is a talented.  Makes no sense for the Eagles.  Not now.  

Davis was more straight line than Pitts, like too many people here, you're obsess with speed, when it's skill that matters.

Do I have to repeat that Fitzgerald ran a 4.50 on artificial turf on his pro day, which is generally considered a 4.60. Would you take him at #6?

I'm not saying they should or shouldn't take Pitts over say Chase, but it should be based on scouting reports of their skill package, not some silly sprint in shorts.

Can they drop their weight into their cuts, do they run precise routes, do they catch with their hands, do they have strong hands to win contested balls, can they handle press coverage, can they high point, and so on.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Davis was more straight line than Pitts, like too many people here, you're obsess with speed, when it's skill that matters.

Do I have to repeat that Fitzgerald ran a 4.50 on artificial turf on his pro day, which is generally considered a 4.60. Would you take him at #6?

I'm not saying they should or shouldn't take Pitts over say Chase, but it should be based on scouting reports of their skill package, not some silly sprint in shorts.

Can they drop their weight into their cuts, do they run precise routes, do they catch with their hands, do they have strong hands to win contested balls, can they handle press coverage, can they high point, and so on.

You dismiss speed and 40 time in WRs, emphasizing skill, while quoting Jalen Hurts' 40 time and dismissing his massive deficits with skill.  Interesting.

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Davis was more straight line than Pitts, like too many people here, you're obsess with speed, when it's skill that matters.

Do I have to repeat that Fitzgerald ran a 4.50 on artificial turf on his pro day, which is generally considered a 4.60. Would you take him at #6?

I'm not saying they should or shouldn't take Pitts over say Chase, but it should be based on scouting reports of their skill package, not some silly sprint in shorts.

Can they drop their weight into their cuts, do they run precise routes, do they catch with their hands, do they have strong hands to win contested balls, can they handle press coverage, can they high point, and so on.

Must be a full moon.  I agree with some things you're saying here.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah. Hey guys.  Let’s all see what big receivers run a 4.6 cause that’s what Larry Fitzgerald ran.  😂 

 

You agree with that insanity?  

No no no...notice I said some things.  I'm probably the biggest Pitts guy here but he isn't LF.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

I know @Jenkins27 would love this draft.  @Outlaw and @Ray75, thoughts ??

 

I love this one @downundermike

 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah. Hey guys.  Let’s all see what big receivers run a 4.6 cause that’s what Larry Fitzgerald ran.  😂 

 

You agree with that insanity?  

It's not easy to find Drew Brees, Michael Thomas, Jerry Rice, Anquan Boldin, Aaron Donald, Brady, Kurt Warner, etc.  All HOF players with certain deficits.  

When you are drafting top 10, you try to find guys without known deficits.  

I don't like comparing JJAW to Michael Thomas just because they both ran bad 40's, Hurts to Brees just because they both are mobile QBs with middling arms, every short DL to Aaron Donald, etc. etc. etc.

Sure, that next 5'10" 180lb WR who ran a 4.5 could be the next AB.  But good luck seeing that one coming.  It's a lot easier to put your chips on the 6'2" 200lb WR that just ran a 4.28...you can tangibly predict the physical mismatches he'll create.

 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I only bring up speed because that’s what the Pitts lovers all bring up.  We’ll agree to disagree.  

I think speed is the least important aspect of his game.   His wing span, reach and catch radius is out of this world.  He runs routes like a WR.  Yes, we will agree to disagree, I just think he's a weapon that would help whatever QB is here for the next decade.  He's 20.  He could easily play here until 2031.

20 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And he hasn’t played in over a year.  

Sewell didn't either

1 hour ago, jwill2420 said:

Exactly what I been saying about Pitts. I would not be mad drafting him at 6. 

I’ve fully moved to Pitts being my choice. 

43 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Here's a scenario for #6. Say the QBs don't go early. Say we're not interested in any of the QBs. Chase, Smith, Pitts, and Sewell go off the board 2-5. You can't trade out for some reason. There are no takers. Who do you draft?

In that highly unlikely scenario, I’d go in this order:

Micah Parsons

Caleb Farley

Jaylen Waddle

Rashawn Slater

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Or a 6’6’ 330 lb tackle who moves like a young Jason Peters.   

We have that in Mailata, except he's 6-8 350 😀

 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

DownUnders draft has Josh Myers at 70.  Yours has him at 151 as only a C+.  Weird wild stuff.  

Yeah every site is so drastically different, especially after Round 2. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Or a 6’6’ 330 lb tackle who moves like a young Jason Peters.   

Exactly.  The top 5-6 is for guys where you can see it coming.  

Sure, tons of flawed prospects are worth top 10, top overall picks in hindsight.  But even the teams that drafted them didn't see that coming.

And if you don't have someone on the board like that, you trade out and take your chances later in the draft.  I'd rather chance Jaylen Waddle turns into Tyreek Hill or a healthy Brandon Cooks in the mid-teens than I would chance that Pitts turns into Fitzgerald or Chase turns into Boldin at 6.

Sewell?  Not as much mystery on that one.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I know.  But I’d much rather take my chance with a stud LT than a WR.  I can argue that if Chase did play this year on a terrible LSU team without Joe Burrough he could have slid to the late 1st.  It’s hard to see that kind of a slide with a LT like Sewell.  

Chase probably agrees with you, since, well, he didn't play to protect his draft stock.

50 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Here's a scenario for #6. Say the QBs don't go early. Say we're not interested in any of the QBs. Chase, Smith, Pitts, and Sewell go off the board 2-5. You can't trade out for some reason. There are no takers. Who do you draft?

Micah Parsons

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You hope he continues to improve to be that good.  But we’ll need another one.  Imagine having those two guys for the next 10 years?

I get it.  I'm just holding out a sliver of hope for Dillard to be OK at LT Mailata can swing to RT and take over for Lane.  I don't want to see our 2019 1st round pick wasted and I really think we need an elite weapon this year in the 1st be it Pitts, Chase, Waddell.  

 

Pitts’ movement skills are on a whole different level than any of the other recent top draft picks at TE. I don’t think it’s particularly close either.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Agreed wholeheartedly on Waddle.  He’s being forgotten about.  I’m just so gun shy about another WR right now.  At least in the first few rounds.  

This draft is interesting at WR.

There is no doubt that Smith/Chase/Pitts were the toughest covers in college football.  They are the big 3.

I know you don't like Pitts at 6, potentially for good reason, but if he blazes a 4.42, jumps 40", and runs a sub 7 3-cone...then we are in Julio/Andre/Megatron territory and you have to take him.  But, by all accounts, that's not happening.  Say he goes 4.52, 35", low 7's...great TE numbers.

So then you have the 3 best receivers in college football.  None of them really have slam-dunk take-it-to-the-bank traits that say they will overwhelm NFL corners.  Smith with his slender frame and unspectacular speed, Chase with his short frame and even less spectacular speed, and Pitts with his below average speed for an NFL WR.  No guarantees these guys are going to be the next big thing against NFL secondaries.

And then in the back half of round 1...you've got Waddle, Toney, and Moore.  3 guys with very unique, very impressive movement talent...arguably SIGNIFICANTLY better than the Smith/Chase/Pitts trio.  In the flag football open space craving NFL, that means something.  And they are all projected in the back half.

2 hours ago, jwill2420 said:

Exactly what I been saying about Pitts. I would not be mad drafting him at 6. 

This has Cincinnati written all over it Sewell here we come!