47 minutes ago, Westbrook#36 said:

Oh, and can beast get banned already? Still trolling after all these years and some of you nitwits still reply to him. SMDH

Motion seconded

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Motion seconded

Sissy , if you aren’t whining or saying false you aren’t posting .

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

What’s the problem with raising it to 15 then ?

And I have a business , all hourly employees, no salary .

well, I dont want to pay 30 dollars for a chicken sandwich at McDonalds. 

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

It's easy to say, "Hey, if you don't like the minimum wage, don't work a minimum wage job." But what does that mean for all the people who have to work minimum jobs? We all shop at places where workers are paid minimum wage. Do we still want that service? 

Billion dollar companies who pay their workers minimum wage are inexcusable. It's worker exploitation. No one should ever be expected to work a job 40-hours a week and get paid 7 dollars for each hour.

It amazes me that people regurgitate the same nonsense when defending it.

From those who regurgitate nonsense to raise it...

you get paid what your skills are worth.

No one is entitled to a standard of living

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Sissy , if you aren’t whining or saying false you aren’t posting .

No one asked your uneducated opinion, Beast

get back to exploiting your unskilled labor

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

well, I dont want to pay 30 dollars for a chicken sandwich at McDonalds. 

I don’t enjoy paying 70,000 for a car but I do , guess you would have to give that McDonald’s slop up , if it were to ever reach your exaggeration  of a price .

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

From those who regurgitate nonsense to raise it...

you get paid what your skills are worth.

No one is entitled to a standard of living

No one asked your uneducated opinion, Beast

get back to exploiting your unskilled labor

Again with the whining , act like a man once in awhile . 

There shouldn’t be a minimum wage, McDonalds workers who in low paying Sussex County Delaware start at $14 per hour.

Yesterday going through Arkansas I stopped at McDonalds that were hiring for $9.50 an hour, and the best part is, their number 3 meal is $2.00 more than in Sussex County, but yet they are paid much less. 

 Trades are paid really low in Sussex btw, low enough for me to leave Lewes, DE  Sunday night and here I am in Austin, TX, to help get them back on line (broken pipes). I’m a licensed plumber in DE and MD, and will make more in TX in two weeks than I can make there in 3 months.  

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

well, I dont want to pay 30 dollars for a chicken sandwich at McDonalds. 

You wouldn't be.  But you should realize that when a corporation is not paying its employees a living wage, you're already subsidizing it.  Your taxes are subsidizing their health care, child care costs, food stamps, etc.  So you're already paying the price.

Just now, The Blackfish said:

There shouldn’t be a minimum wage, McDonalds workers who in low paying Sussex County Delaware start at $14 per hour.

Yesterday going through Arkansas I stopped at McDonalds that were hiring for $9.50 an hour, and the best part is, their number 3 meal is $2.00 more than in Sussex County, but yet they are paid much less. 

 Trades are paid really low in Sussex btw, low enough for me to leave Lewes, DE  Sunday night and here I am in Austin, TX, to help get them back on line (broken pipes). I’m a licensed plumber in DE and MD, and will make more in TX in two weeks than I can make there in 3 months.  

I live in Maryland , and have many subs who do work for me , and the plumbers here make a killing .

Back to BG possibly restructuring.  I'm totally fine with this.  I think his style of play can be sustainable for a few more years.  He's solid and that's fine.  It's not like we have a 15 sack guy going to a 6 sack guy.  He can continue to be stout against the run, give us 5-6 sacks and be a rotational piece.  

1 minute ago, Peppersmacks said:

You wouldn't be.  But you should realize that when a corporation is not paying its employees a living wage, you're already subsidizing it.  Your taxes are subsidizing their health care, child care costs, food stamps, etc.  So you're already paying the price.

not really.... when they get paid more, my taxes arent going down. the price of everything else is going up. So when those minimum wage people who used to enjoy a fancy night out at McDonalds themselves cant afford McDonalds anymore, and the price of all their groceries goes up more because Wal-Mart and expecially local grocery stores have to hike prices exponentially... guess what. Those 15 dollar an hour minimum wage workers are still gonna be feeling poor. And Im still gonna be paying for their stuff. And my wage wont go up. Cause Im not a minimum wage worker. So it will hurt me doubly. 

1 minute ago, The Blackfish said:

There shouldn’t be a minimum wage, McDonalds workers who in low paying Sussex County Delaware start at $14 per hour.

Yesterday going through Arkansas I stopped at McDonalds that were hiring for $9.50 an hour, and the best part is, their number 3 meal is $2.00 more than in Sussex County, but yet they are paid much less. 

 Trades are paid really low in Sussex btw, low enough for me to leave Lewes, DE  Sunday night and here I am in Austin, TX, to help get them back on line (broken pipes). I’m a licensed plumber in DE and MD, and will make more in TX in two weeks than I can make there in 3 months.  

This is a good point about why a national minimum wage is probably not the wisest way to approach the problem.  Calculate the minimum liveable wage in particular areas and adjust the minimum wage accordingly.

43 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

How is 7.25 per hour beneficial to those earning it ? And 7.25 per isn’t just being paid to  16 year olds with summer jobs .

 

minimum wage has been 7.25 for the last 12 years , that is just wrong .

 

How is 15 per hour beneficial to those earning it other than the fact that it is $7.25 more than the bottom of the barrel?  

 

An adult that is only making minimum wage for anything longer than a very short period of time is likely someone who is of limited capability and is likely qualifying for some sort of government assistance because of that.  Even in the environment of a fast food restaurant a fully functioning adult would be able to rise above the 16 year old's working there for a higher paying position of greater responsibility.  

But you raise that minimum wage to $15 per hour and you are slaughtering the small businesses even further after a near year of lockdowns/restrictions, you're jacking up inflation and the cost of crap all across the board, and you are reducing the amount of jobs in a number of chain reacting ways to the minimum wage hike that includes but is not limited to the result of less job positions being offered as people take on more work in their minimum wage roles, less jobs being available due to small businesses going out of business and an even further incentive for further investment increasing these jobs can be done away with by automation and AI.  

7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

From those who regurgitate nonsense to raise it...

you get paid what your skills are worth.

No one is entitled to a standard of living

It's easy to have that view from an individual stand point. But there HAVE to be people who work minimum age jobs under our current system. Not everyone can work a better paying job. We need to have a system in place that supports everyone. People have to work these jobs, and they should be fairly compensated for it. It needs to be a livable wage. Taking money from these billion dollar companies would improve the economy for everyone, too. It goes right back into the system. You can't have the top 1% have all the wealth. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

not really.... when they get paid more, my taxes arent going down. the price of everything else is going up. So when those minimum wage people who used to enjoy a fancy night out at McDonalds themselves cant afford McDonalds anymore, and the price of all their groceries goes up more because Wal-Mart and expecially local grocery stores have to hike prices exponentially... guess what. Those 15 dollar an hour minimum wage workers are still gonna be feeling poor. And Im still gonna be paying for their stuff. 

Your taxes might not go down but that's a problem with the politicians we elect.  But regardless, at the absolute worst the tax money we're already collected would be used differently and perhaps on things you do find valuable - such as better schools, better healthcare, more military - whatever it is you personally believe in.  

 

And I appreciate that I'm exaggerating a functional government to make my point but no more so than the idea of a $16 Big Mac.

2 minutes ago, Peppersmacks said:

Your taxes might not go down but that's a problem with the politicians we elect.  But regardless, at the absolute worst the tax money we're already collected would be used differently and perhaps on things you do find valuable - such as better schools, better healthcare, more military - whatever it is you personally believe in.  

 

And I appreciate that I'm exaggerating a functional government to make my point but no more so than the idea of a $16 Big Mac.

the tax money would still be going to the same place. because inflation will negate the imagined benefit of a higher minimum wage. and every minimum wage worker will have the same need.

And worse, people making 16 dollars an hour already wont necessarily see any increase while the price of everything will go up. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 Move it along and let’s talk about Mac Jones and arm talent.  

*Lack of arm talent.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Terrible idea.   It’s just kicking more money down the road.  No more restructuring guys who won’t be around in 2 seasons when we’re ready to reload.   Pull the band aid off now.  Same problem.  Different player.  

That's what i'm saying, I think he can actually be OK for the remaining years...obviously depends how long the restructure is.  Ideally, yes, he'd be gone the minute we can but that just can't happen.  

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok.  I vote for this conversation to go to CVON.  This can and will easily venture into a divisive political debate and this isn’t the place.  VABeach Eagle and the creator of this thread has said so numerous times.  Along with dozens of other posters.  Move it along and let’s talk about Mac Jones and arm talent.  

I’d take Mac Jones, Foles, and Jameis over Hurts in a second 

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Raising minimum wage to $15?  Great idea.  More kiosks and less jobs for the young and unskilled.  Brilliant.  

Trades. 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’d take Mac Jones, Foles, and Jameis over Hurts in a second 

I’d take em over Wentz 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok.  I vote for this conversation to go to CVON.  This can and will easily venture into a divisive political debate and this isn’t the place.  VABeach Eagle and the creator of this thread has said so numerous times.  Along with dozens of other posters.  Move it along and let’s talk about Mac Jones and arm talent.  

Mac Jones was no more impressive than AJ McCarron, Tua and even Greg McElroy.  Solid backup in the NFL.

inflation will come and go regardless if minimum wage is 15 per hour or not .

and you already pay taxes to subsidize corporate welfare , farmers because of the silly trade war that back fired 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

the tax money would still be going to the same place. because inflation will negate the imagined benefit of a higher minimum wage. 

That part is paid for because these new higher earning individuals are also paying more into the system.  If they are making double, they are paying more in income tax and if you're hypothesis is correct that inflation would up all of their extra money they are also paying double sales tax.  But again, the issue isn't whether people will need subsidizing.  Someone will always be down on their luck and part of being in a society is lifting people up in their time of need.  That will never change.  But a corporation can still turn a healthy profit paying their employees a liveable wage.  The only thing you are subsidizing right now is corporate profits.  McDonald's could pay all of their employees $15 an hour and would still be profitable.  They may raise prices a bit but even they know that they are close to their ceiling for how much anyone would pay for that crap.

SF is a good example of a 3 year turnaround 2-14 to 13-3 with Garoppolo at QB. Fell back to 6-10 when Garoppolo got injured last year.

QB:  Garoppolo (2017 T 2nd rd)

RB:  Coleman (FA-2019), Mostert (SFA-2016), Breida (UDFA-2017)

FB:  Juszczyk (FA-2017)

WR:  Samuel (#36-2019), Sanders (2019 T 3rd & 4th for Sanders & 5th rd); Bourne (UDFA-2017), Goodwin (part of trade down), Pettis (#44-2018), James (#240-2018)

TE:  Kittle (#146-2017), DeWelley (UDFA-2018), Celek

OL:  Skule (#183-2019) - Tomlinson (2019 T 5th rd) - Richburg (2018-FA, 5yr/$47.5M) - Person - McGlintchey (#9-2018); Brunskill (SFA-2019), Staley, Garland (SFA-2019)

DL:  Bosa (#2-2019) - Jones (#198-2017) - Buckner - Armstead; Thomas (#3-2017), Day (SFA-2017), Ford (SFA-2019), Blair

LB:  Alexander (SFA-2019) - Warner (#70-2018) - Greenlaw (#148-2019); Al-Shaair (UDFA-2019)

CB:  Sherman (FA-2018, 3yr/$39M) - Moseley (UDFA-2018); K'Waun Williams (SFA-2018), (Witherspoon #66-2017)

S:  Tartt - Ward; Harris (#184-2018), Moore (#95-2018)

Only two major FA signings, lots of high draft picks, but some misses, Thomas #3, Foster #31, Pettis #44, Hurd #67.