6 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

If there was a QB you could compare Foles to, it’s Flacco. So perfect back up for BDN! 
 

But in seriousness.... not sure why but this move makes it feel like they’re leaning towards moving Hurts. Which wouldn’t surprise me because I’m still convinced DP was the one pushing to draft him. 

 

I don't buy it that Doug was the one pushing for Hurts when the Hurts package was such a waste of the time during the year and it felt like Doug was walking on glass to make sure that Wentz wasn't off the field when Hurts came in.

 

It was a total Lurie and Howie movie.  Reports since the end of the season have been that Lurie really wanted Hurts.  

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I don't buy it that Doug was the one pushing for Hurts when the Hurts package was such a waste of the time during the year and it felt like Doug was walking on glass to make sure that Wentz wasn't off the field when Hurts came in.

 

It was a total Lurie and Howie movie.  Reports since the end of the season have been that Lurie really wanted Hurts.  

Doug told both Brett Favre and Troy Aikman after the season his plan was to continue with Hurts as the starting QB.  His immediate reaction when the Hurts pick was made showed very clearly he was delighted with the pick 

The amount of people who believe hurts was a exclusively doug pick is amazing. So the head coach who couldn’t pick his own 53, couldn’t pick his actives on game day, and couldn’t keep the coaches he wanted last offseason and reports the eagles still weren’t crazy about even after winning a SB but the Eagles were like hey who do you want in the second round? OK will get you a Jalen Hurts. Add on mortensen and breer have also said in interviews on wip and espn radio that lurie really wanted hurts and didn’t want to pass up on him like they did Wilson and howie was on board. 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I don't buy it that Doug was the one pushing for Hurts when the Hurts package was such a waste of the time during the year and it felt like Doug was walking on glass to make sure that Wentz wasn't off the field when Hurts came in.

 

It was a total Lurie and Howie movie.  Reports since the end of the season have been that Lurie really wanted Hurts.  

We know Lurie calls the shots.  I'd respect him more if he were Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder and just puffed out his chest and owned it. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The amount of people who believe hurts was a doug pick is amazing. So the head coach who couldn’t pick his own 53, couldn’t pick his actives on game day, and couldn’t keep the coaches he wanted last offseason and reports the eagles still weren’t crazy about even after winning a SB but the Eagles were like hey who do you want in the second round? OK will get you a Jalen Hurts. Add on mortensen and breer have also said in interviews on wip and espn radio that lurie really wanted hurts and didn’t want to pass up on him like they did Wilson and howie was on board. 

Hurts was a Doug pick.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Doug told both Brett Favre and Troy Aikman after the season his plan was to continue with Hurts as the starting QB.  His immediate reaction when the Hurts pick was made showed very clearly he was delighted with the pick 

Yeah if Doug didnt like the Hurts pick, he did a great job of hiding it.

41 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The bigger inquiry is why is AF i mean Dave in Utah 

Recruiting Zach Wilson

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m almost positive the tweet when they said go with hurts said lurie didn’t want a true  competition

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Well, first I don’t consider Flacco real competition and second, I think that’s the right play anyway.  We need to see what Hurts can be for us and having a for real QB competition is counterproductive to that. 
 

Flacco should push Hurts but even if he’s better than Hurts today, he still shouldnt start. 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Hurts was a Doug pick.

Lol sure meanwhile mortensen, breer and even schefter have stated otherwise. Mortensen and breer both went into great details about how hands on lurie was with that pick. But hey they must be lying

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Hurts was a Doug pick.

Lurie/Howie wouldn't let Doug choose what's in the facility vending machine, let alone allow him to have a significant influence on making a pick like that. 

Hard left turn from the current discussion.

Let's talk about Jordan Love.  I never watched him play.  He was apparently a major arm talent.  

He's still only 22, draft age for many guys in this class.  How does his talent/arm talent compare to a Trey Lance or Zach Wilson?    The guy learned behind the best in the business for a year.  

Rodgers isn't too happy with the powers that be in GB.  Now that we know we need a QB...I'd grade the guy.  If you think his talent compares favorably to the guys in this draft, kick some tires on a trade.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol sure meanwhile mortensen, breer and even schefter have stated otherwise. Mortensen and breer both went into great details about how hands on lurie was with that pick. But hey they must be lying

None of those guys are wired into NovaCare; they’re national media covering all 32 teams.  
 

I’ll take the word of two NFL QBs who are friends of Pederson, who spoke with him personally over guys who are reporting 3rd-hand information 

9 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

Well, first I don’t consider Flacco real competition and second, I think that’s the right play anyway.  We need to see what Hurts can be for us and having a for real QB competition is counterproductive to that. 
 

Flacco should push Hurts but even if he’s better than Hurts today, he still shouldnt start. 

You can say whatever you want does not mean when the eagle say something I believe what they are saying which was my original statement. Again what they say and what they do are two totally different things. I said at the time it was BS when they talked about Carson Wentz was happy with that pick. And it has come out they were lying through their teeth. They will create the narrative that makes them look the best because that’s what they do. Because most fans will just believe anything they say 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Hard left turn from the current discussion.

Let's talk about Jordan Love.  I never watched him play.  He was apparently a major arm talent.  

He's still only 22, draft age for many guys in this class.  How does his talent/arm talent compare to a Trey Lance or Zach Wilson?    The guy learned behind the best in the business for a year.  

Rodgers isn't too happy with the powers that be in GB.  Now that we know we need a QB...I'd grade the guy.  If you think his talent compares favorably to the guys in this draft, kick some tires on a trade.

Love isn’t going anywhere

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I don't buy it that Doug was the one pushing for Hurts when the Hurts package was such a waste of the time during the year and it felt like Doug was walking on glass to make sure that Wentz wasn't off the field when Hurts came in.

 

It was a total Lurie and Howie movie.  Reports since the end of the season have been that Lurie really wanted Hurts.  

The Hurts package was so embarassingly pathetic.  Blame Doug, blame Howie, blame Lurie...the fact that any of them could sign off on those plays is the kind of thing that makes you lose all faith in the brain trust.  

Just now, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Love isn’t going anywhere

Yeah, if the Packers do another draft like the previous one Rodgers will force his way out of GB after next season.  Notice he threw Lafleur under the bus after their playoff loss just like he always did with McCarthy.  I don’t think Rodgers has much interest in finishing his career there 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

None of those guys are wired into NovaCare; they’re national media covering all 32 teams.  
 

I’ll take the word of two NFL QBs who are friends of Pederson, who spoke with him personally over guys who are reporting 3rd-hand information 

So the three most connected people in the NFL you don’t believe. Truly amazing. Meanwhile aikman also backtracked on some of what he said pederson told him   

You’re right they were like Doug you get to make the second round selection because we don’t let you pick your 53 man roster, we don’t let you pick your active roster on game days and we don’t allow you keep the coaches you wanna keep but hey you get to make the 53rd overall selection for us. Please 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Yeah, if the Packers do another draft like the previous one Rodgers will force his way out of GB after next season.  Notice he threw Lafleur under the bus after their playoff loss just like he always did with McCarthy.  I don’t think Rodgers has much interest in finishing his career there 

I would put money that ARod leaves before Love

34 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

The Flyers stink.

Myers and Sanheim should be sent down to the Phantoms.

Giroux is MIA - again.

Watching the Flyers is like getting pepper juice in your eyes.

Same problems under different coaches and GMs, but few fans want to look at the players who have been here during that time. 

 

9 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

I would put money that ARod leaves before Love

I could totally see if next year the Packers can’t get over that hump to get to the Super Bowl that Aaron Rodgers asks to be traded. I look at their off-season they kept Aaron Jones and Kevin King but let their starting center who was very good go. What have they done to improve that roster for 2021? If I was Aaron Rodgers I would’ve been asking for them to get Will Fuller or another wide receiver opposite of Devante Adams to go all in. The packers i would argue so far this offseason have actually gotten worse losing linsley. Also you drafted AJ Dillion in the second round to be the back up to Aaron Jones? You should’ve let Aaron Jones go and use the money to go and get a wide receiver or re-sign Linsley

Ill probably never figure out why people think its worth complaining about 1 year deals for a team not expected to compete this season.

Im having a hard time caring about who they sign, or dont sign this year. As long as its a 1 year deal, I dont care the price. This year doesnt matter. What matters most is regaining cap flexibility. Which is what the Harris, and Flacco deals will allow.

 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So the three most connected people in the NFL you don’t believe. Truly amazing. Meanwhile aikman also backtracked on some of what he said pederson told him   

You’re right they were like Doug you get to make the second round selection because we don’t let you pick your 53 man roster, we don’t let you pick your active roster on game days and we don’t allow you keep the coaches you wanna keep but hey you get to make the 53rd overall selection for us. Please 

I agree with you on this one, but I also sympathize with the stubborn notion of not believing anyone, no matter how connected they may be.  Mortensen, Schefter, and Breer wouldn't change my mind either 😅

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So the three most connected people in the NFL you don’t believe. Truly amazing. Meanwhile aikman also backtracked on some of what he said pederson told him   

You’re right they were like Doug you get to make the second round selection because we don’t let you pick your 53 man roster, we don’t let you pick your active roster on game days and we don’t allow you keep the coaches you wanna keep but hey you get to make the 53rd overall selection for us. Please 

You’re attached to some narratives without much evidence because you give 100% credence to what you hear in the media.  

First of all, ALL GMs have final say over the 53-man roster — because there are financial and contractual components regarding the cap that affect roster construction and far overreach the head coach’s domain.  The coach should have control over the roster once the season starts, but NOT final selection of the 53.

The report that Howie was dictating who was active and inactive on game days never had any credibility beyond hearsay — yet folks on here ran with it like it had to be so.

Doug could not assemble his own coaching staff and insisted on hiring only an OC who was little more than an intern so he could keep control over game plan and play calling.  After Frank and John left it was abundantly clear to everyone other than Doug he was in over his head.  Lowie HAD TO intervene in coaching staff decisions for the good of the organization.

If you don’t believe Doug had any say in draft choices — who do you think chose Wentz at #2?  Did Pederson have any input?  You can’t have it both ways — if the Eagles spent a #2 overall on Wentz with any input from Doug, then Doug sure as hell had input on the #53 overall pick.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Ill probably never figure out why people think its worth complaining about 1 year deals for a team not expected to compete this season.

Im having a hard time caring about who they sign, or dont sign this year. As long as its a 1 year deal, I dont care the price. This year doesnt matter. What matters most is regaining cap flexibility. Which is what the Harris, and Flacco deals will allow.

 

I agree with you in principle.  As a general statement, I couldn't care less who they sign this year.  What is frustrating to me about this move is that it raises more doubt that they've learned anything.  We got burned by doubling and tripling down on older veterans as the new market inefficiency.  And our response this year was to sign a 48 backup QB.  Like what did they think was the point to this?  

39 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You’re attached to some narratives without much evidence because you give 100% credence to what you hear in the media.  

First of all, ALL GMs have final say over the 53-man roster — because there are financial and contractual components regarding the cap that affect roster construction and far overreach the head coach’s domain.  The coach should have control over the roster once the season starts, but NOT final selection of the 53.

The report that Howie was dictating who was active and inactive on game days never had any credibility beyond hearsay — yet folks on here ran with it like it had to be so.

Doug could not assemble his own coaching staff and insisted on hiring only an OC who was little more than an intern so he could keep control over game plan and play calling.  After Frank and John left it was abundantly clear to everyone other than Doug he was in over his head.  Lowie HAD TO intervene in coaching staff decisions for the good of the organization.

If you don’t believe Doug had any say in draft choices — who do you think chose Wentz at #2?  Did Pederson have any input?  You can’t have it both ways — if the Eagles spent a #2 overall on Wentz with any input from Doug, then Doug sure as hell had input on the #53 overall pick.

you want to talk about a narrative Adam Shefter was the first one reporting Carson Wentz wanted out. And that the Eagles really didn’t wanna trade him until it got to a certain point. For weeks he reported that but apparently he didn’t have any inside information from the Eagles apparently because he wasn’t inside the nova care center. Lol

you want to talk about a narrative so the three guys who covered the NFL for years and get more scoops then anybody went into full detail about how Jeffrey lurie was hands-on with that pick with interviews on Philadelphia radio and you want to tell me they don’t know what they’re talking about. Again please

Also where did I say doug doesn’t have some say? I do not think Doug Peterson was an overwhelming factor of why they made that selection. Was doug on board? Yeah I bet you he was. I bet you he liked hurts. That doesn’t mean the Philadelphia Eagles are like a doug who do you like because we’re gonna take them and it’s all on you. That’s a BS argument.

OK your narrative is because the three of the best reporters in the business are not in the NovaCare center they don’t get that information. You’re telling me that. that is the biggest crock of crap I’ve ever heard

Even more funny in this you want to talk about 100% credence to what is said by the media by me. Favre and aikman are media. Favre has a radio show. He also says things all the time that are off the wall and later he retracts them. and aikman works for fox broadcasting. And aikman also backtracked on some of what he said and he didn’t say doug told him that. He thought doug preferred hurts and that’s why he got fired.  And you don’t think those two would lie or make it look better for Doug? So you’re 100% gonna a believe them. So you doing the exact same thing you’re accusing me of.