Jalen Phillips is a heck of a talent too , and more advanced right now than Rousseau , but 3 concussions, and retiring from football at one point , makes you pause 

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

With the Kwitty Paye talk starting up I'm beginning to see 2010 all over again.

Paye, coincidentally, played at UM and is almost identical physically to BG when he came out. at 6-2 260. 

BG was the safe, conventional DE pick in the draft.  Steady player who you knew what you were getting.

Jason Pierre-Paul was the 6-5 270 lb freak athlete who was a gamble but his upside was tremendous.  

Looking at their careers it's easy to argue that JPP is the more dominant DE and bigger threat as a pass rusher.  No denying what BG has brought to the team as a player/teammate/leader and of course the strip sack.

However, in 6 less games, JPP has nearly 100 more tackles, almost 40 more QB hits and 30 more sacks than BG.  I want that kind of production and I think Rousseau has that potential.

		Tackles					Fumbles				Def Interceptions
Rk	Player	From	To	AV	G	Solo	Ast	QBHits	TFL	Sk	FF	FR	Yds	TD	Int	Yds	TD
1	Brandon Graham	2010	2020	68	159	312	102	123	104	59.0	19	7	24	1	0	0	0
2	Jason Pierre-Paul	2010	2020	86	153	418	154	159	119	89.0	20	10	59	1	4	67	2

 

Agree.  Please not Paye.  Pretty please.  

This is not the draft to go DL at all; extremely weak DL class.  Neither Paye nor Rousseau would be first round prospects in most drafts.  

The only DL prospect worth a first round selection is Christian Barmore, and he's more a 20-25 range of pick.

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Jalen Phillips is a heck of a talent too , and more advanced right now than Rousseau , but 3 concussions, and retiring from football at one point , makes you pause 

I like him a lot too but your concerns are valid.  I just think the Eagles have avoided these tremendous physically gifted guys for the safe pick and I want some guys on defense that other teams are nervous to face.

Look how we talk about the Redskins defense and Chase Young.  Rousseau, IMO, can be better than Young if he reaches his potential.  

I just like the thought of having a pure athletic freak on one end of the line with Barnett/Sweat rotating in.  Rousseau can kick in to tackle on passing downs.  I'm really just warming up to the idea of having him on the d-line.  

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

With the Kwitty Paye talk starting up I'm beginning to see 2010 all over again.

Paye, coincidentally, played at UM and is almost identical physically to BG when he came out. at 6-2 260. 

BG was the safe, conventional DE pick in the draft.  Steady player who you knew what you were getting.

Jason Pierre-Paul was the 6-5 270 lb freak athlete who was a gamble but his upside was tremendous.  

Looking at their careers it's easy to argue that JPP is the more dominant DE and bigger threat as a pass rusher.  No denying what BG has brought to the team as a player/teammate/leader and of course the strip sack.

However, in 6 less games, JPP has nearly 100 more tackles, almost 40 more QB hits and 30 more sacks than BG.  I want that kind of production and I think Rousseau has that potential.

		Tackles					Fumbles				Def Interceptions
Rk	Player	From	To	AV	G	Solo	Ast	QBHits	TFL	Sk	FF	FR	Yds	TD	Int	Yds	TD
1	Brandon Graham	2010	2020	68	159	312	102	123	104	59.0	19	7	24	1	0	0	0
2	Jason Pierre-Paul	2010	2020	86	153	418	154	159	119	89.0	20	10	59	1	4	67	2

 

Graham and JPP had very different career tracks.  BG never really got a chance to play regularly at LDE until his 7th season.  Behind Babin in Washburn's wide nine and then as a 3-4 OLB under Chip. 

JPP was a great pick, but BG played far fewer snaps as a result of circumstance to make a fair comparison of career stats.

How can anyone look at this roster and not conclude that CB and then WR are the top priorities?

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Here are some players I like , other than maybe Collins no first rd picks , most mid rd and back

Pete Werner lb

Tyree Gillespie s

Alim McNeil dt

Zaven Collins olb 

Kylin Hill RBI’s

Javian Hawkins be

Tommy Tremble te

Derrick Barnes lb

Elerson Smith edge

Tay Gowan  cb

Jonathan Adams  wo

Austin Watkins wo

Joseph Ossai edge

Caden Sterns s

Benjamin st Juste cb

Hamilcar Rashed edge

Johnathan Marshall dl

Milton Williams dl

Kendrick Green iol 

Cam McGrone lb

Davis Mills qb

Payton Turner dl

James Hudson ot

Jamar Johnson db

Sadarius Hutchetson iol

 

Good list.  

1 hour ago, greendestiny27 said:

just seeing Paye's 6-2  262 weigh in. That's..... Disappointing 

Disappointing?  That is decent size for a 4/3 DE.  

11 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

 

  I was able to try a bunch of different Iron’s with different grip sizes.   Taylormade, Ping, Callaway, Cobra, Mizuno, and Wilson.  
 I had zero control over the Wilson’s, these were brand new D300’s, but holy crap, I had no problem hitting the 7iron 175-180 yards consistently. 
 
The 410’s and the Mavrik’s are really nice, I went with the 410’s because they already had midsize grips, and those helped big time, the Mavriks I could even hit a slight draw.  They had a few really old Big Berthas, I couldn’t hit em but that was all on me, even older ones look like drivers next to the ball.  

 Mizunos were really nice looking clubs, but I couldn’t hit em, even used,  I’d need iron head covers for those, but I hit them better than any of the Taylormades.  No offense to anyone that uses them, I was a low 90’s golfer, hack, so my word means nothing but I hit a bunch of different sets, and all of them felt like the head was going to come off, weird lie angle maybe?  

 Thanks again for the help, I really think these Irons will have me breaking 90 pretty quickly.  
 

Glad you found a set you like. So much of it is comfort and confidence. 
 

i play titleist t200s but have have TM in the past. My daughter plays ping. I have never been able to hit callaways reliably. All good sticks

heading out to play this afternoon hopefully i can pull a sergio

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

This is not the draft to go DL at all; extremely weak DL class.  Neither Paye nor Rousseau would be first round prospects in most drafts.  

The only DL prospect worth a first round selection is Christian Barmore, and he's more a 20-25 range of pick.

Rousseau is a risk for sure but he turns 21 next week and has the size/potential people only dream about.  Watch his highlights.  A good amount of plays he makes by effort and using his length to lunge when a guy thinks he's out of reach.  He kicks inside and can rush the passer from all over the line.  He crashes the line and plays the run pretty well.  Yes, he definitely has some work to do on his technique but he 100% is a first round talent and would be a good pick at 12, better at 15 if we can move down again. 

Monday is important to see how he tests.  

 

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

How can anyone look at this roster and not conclude that CB and then WR are the top priorities?

The Eagles have consistently just poured capital into the DL for the last number of years; maybe folks are rendered numb and just figure it will continue.

9 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Graham and JPP had very different career tracks.  BG never really got a chance to play regularly at LDE until his 7th season.  Behind Babin in Washburn's wide nine and then as a 3-4 OLB under Chip. 

JPP was a great pick, but BG played far fewer snaps as a result of circumstance to make a fair comparison of career stats.

I'm not sure where you're getting that from.  BG has played 6 more games than JPP

Just now, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles have consistently just poured capital into the DL for the last number of years; maybe folks are rendered numb and just figure it will continue.

I get that and would go along with a DE at #12, as long as it's good value.

But...there should be really good CB options at #12.  It's a premium position and our DC used to coach the secondary.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm not sure where you're getting that from.  BG has played 6 more games than JPP

JPP had 23 more starts.  I can't find snap counts, but starts would be a good proxy for production opportunities.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

I get that and would go along with a DE at #12, as long as it's good value.

But...there should be really good CB options at #12.  It's a premium position and our DC used to coach the secondary.

Exactly what I said last night; #12 is where need and BPA intersect in the first round with Surtain, Farley, and/or Horn being available and worthy of the draft slot.

It's also possible Waddle could still be there if a team grabs Devonta Smith early.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles have consistently just poured capital into the DL for the last number of years; maybe folks are rendered numb and just figure it will continue.

WR is my top want, however I'm not a fan of Smith as an NFL WR at all.  I'm passing on him.  Chase and Waddle are the 2 guys as true WR I like in round 1 but I think both are gone by 12.   I don't think CB is a good value for where they are with the way NFL football is played.

Yes, we have pour capita in to the DL but what do we have to show for it in terms of youth moving forward?  

-Barnett is a notch above a JAG getting $10 million this year and no lock to come back

-Sweat, who I love, is a rotational end

-BG is 33 next week.  He's not a building block

Those are your D-ends.  Joe Ostman is DE4 right now and as much as I cheer for the guy he isn't going to amount to anything.

3 D-ends, with no sure things moving forward.  DE is a HUGE need.

-Fletcher Cox is 31 next week and getting paid boat loads to be an above average starter.  He flashes dominance once every 5 games.

-Hargrave is 28 and by the time we are competing again he'll be over 30 and his contract will be up

-Ridgeway is DT3 at best

-Williams/McGill are DT4s/JAGs

D-line is a huge need.  It's not fun to talk about it but it's the truth. 

6 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

JPP had 23 more starts.  I can't find snap counts, but starts would be a good proxy for production opportunities.

OK, fair point and I was able to find it.  I figured that JPP, even though he started, rotated more than he did.  He has 1.350 more snaps than BG so you're right.  He for sure has had more opportunities to make plays and have better stats. 

BG has played 5818 career snaps

JPP has played 7167 career snaps

27 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Graham and JPP had very different career tracks.  BG never really got a chance to play regularly at LDE until his 7th season.  Behind Babin in Washburn's wide nine and then as a 3-4 OLB under Chip. 

JPP was a great pick, but BG played far fewer snaps as a result of circumstance to make a fair comparison of career stats.

JPP was a better player with a better career.  There’s nothing else to it.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

WR is my top want, however I'm not a fan of Smith as an NFL WR at all.  I'm passing on him.  Chase and Waddle are the 2 guys as true WR I like in round 1 but I think both are gone by 12.   I don't think CB is a good value for where they are with the way NFL football is played.

Yes, we have pour capita in to the DL but what do we have to show for it in terms of youth moving forward?  

-Barnett is a notch above a JAG getting $10 million this year and no lock to come back

-Sweat, who I love, is a rotational end

-BG is 33 next week.  He's not a building block

Those are your D-ends.  Joe Ostman is DE4 right now and as much as I cheer for the guy he isn't going to amount to anything.

3 D-ends, with no sure things moving forward.  DE is a HUGE need.

-Fletcher Cox is 31 next week and getting paid boat loads to be an above average starter.  He flashes dominance once every 5 games.

-Hargrave is 28 and by the time we are competing again he'll be over 30 and his contract will be up

-Ridgeway is DT3 at best

-Williams/McGill are DT4s/JAGs

D-line is a huge need.  It's not fun to talk about it but it's the truth. 

I wouldn't argue with any of that, but using a first round selection just because of need rarely if ever works out.  I'm not sure players like Ojulari, Ossai, or even Rashad Weaver wouldn't be useful picks that could be had later on in the draft.

The availability of a pass catcher will depend on the number of QB and OL picks that go off the board in the first 11.  The Eagles will need Mac Jones to go in the top 10; it's possible DEN takes him after CAR takes Lance, for instance -- maybe NE trades up.  I'm hearing a lot of '5 QB in the top 9 picks' stuff right now.  Sewell, Slater makes 7.  Then you have Pitts, Chase, Smith, Waddle.  Is that the top 11?  If not, there will be one of those guys available at #12.

What are the odds that Howie says the player they draft at 12 is the player they were targeting at 6?  100%?

Maybe Hughes is a trade target?

 

26 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

JPP had 23 more starts.  I can't find snap counts, but starts would be a good proxy for production opportunities.

BG couldn’t crack the starting lineup for a while.  We can’t say that Metcalf and JJAW aren’t comparable because Metcalf has far more career starts.

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

OK, fair point and I was able to find it.  I figured that JPP, even though he started, rotated more than he did.  He has 1.350 more snaps than BG so you're right.  He for sure has had more opportunities to make plays and have better stats. 

BG has played 5818 career snaps

JPP has played 7167 career snaps

The Paye/Rousseau BF/JPP comparison is a great one and is exactly what was running through my head too.  
 

Paye is still bigger than BG was...adjusted for pro days v combine, the athleticism is probably comparable.  Paye wasn’t nearly as productive as BG.

Rousseau is the better athlete, bigger frame, more productive.  Probably hard to rate Paye over him, IMO...but we know who our GM is...

39 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Disappointing?  That is decent size for a 4/3 DE.  

Not for Gannon, Indy's linemen tend to be taller, I think that's a deliberate strategy.