1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Not bad

 

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UCF WR Jacob Harris full pro day results:

6'5"

219 pounds

4.39 40 time

6.51 3-cone

40.5" vertical jump

11'1" broad jump

For a 6'5 WR I've never heard of, these numbers are eye popping.  

7 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I seethe difference and I don't think it matters.

If a dude puts up better numbers in a crappy team what does it prove, that that player success doesn't really move the needle?

Graham isn't an elite DE and he's been in some poor teams as well and he's been part of some really good teams and performed well on those teams and contributed to their success.

See the difference? 

It shows that your entire argument that Graham does more to help his team win is a terrible take. A guy does more with less and "isn't as good as good as Graham" and "does less to help his team win than Graham" because the rest of said team isn't good enough. It's a poor argument, as many here have pointed out.

By that same logic: Santonio Holmes is a better WR than Larry Fitzgerald because he did more to help the Steelers win a SB and "Fitzgerald's Cardinals" lost to "his Steelers"

TLDR: Graham is overrated and you're argument for why he isn't blows.

 

45 minutes ago, What The F said:

I was thinking that also but then read about it yesterday and...well..i don't know... The players are well rested.  Not traveling for the combine,  not doing endless interviews.  Much more rested and running on familiar grounds.. I could easily see someone shredding a couple 10ths or hundredths in those conditions.  

These are not measured by electronic timer, right?  If so, there will be some inaccuracy in the numbers.

6 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

13 in 1998. 

So they could go 3-14.....  LOL

55 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Am I the only one starting to think all of these ''unofficial'' sub 4.4 40 times are bogus.

I have always tacked on a little extra time for pro-days. Just so happens that this year all we have is pro-days

21 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Wish he werent 23 already

That’s as old as I’m willing to draft a player with anything resembling a premium pick. 24 or older during their rookie season is a no-go. 

13 minutes ago, hputenis said:

For a 6'5 WR I've never heard of, these numbers are eye popping.  

There is a reason we have never heard of him. must be really raw as a prospect

6 hours ago, greend said:

Agree I would even go so far as to say 1 million percent 

You using Howie's cap formulas again? 

10 minutes ago, Swoop said:

It shows that your entire argument that Graham does more to help his team win is a terrible take. A guy does more with less and "isn't as good as good as Graham" and "does less to help his team win than Graham" because the rest of said team isn't good enough. It's a poor argument, as many here have pointed out.

By that same logic: Santonio Holmes is a better WR than Larry Fitzgerald because he did more to help the Steelers win a SB and "Fitzgerald's Cardinals" lost to "his Steelers"

TLDR: Graham is overrated and you're argument for why he isn't blows.

 

How exactly? Most seem to agree he's been a steady, dependable player. Nobody thinks he's HOF worthy. I don't even think any of us think his number should go up in the Eagles ROF. The debate started about whether or not his career lived up to his draft position. But how do you figure he's overrated? 

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

So they could go 3-14.....  LOL

In large part it will depend on how Hurts does.  If he plays like a raw rookie then 3-14 might be likely.  If he plays with some polish I would expect 6-7 wins 

13 minutes ago, Swoop said:

It shows that your entire argument that Graham does more to help his team win is a terrible take. A guy does more with less and "isn't as good as good as Graham" and "does less to help his team win than Graham" because the rest of said team isn't good enough. It's a poor argument, as many here have pointed out.

By that same logic: Santonio Holmes is a better WR than Larry Fitzgerald because he did more to help the Steelers win a SB and "Fitzgerald's Cardinals" lost to "his Steelers"

TLDR: Graham is overrated and you're argument for why he isn't blows.

 

As many here have pointed out??? where's this legion you speak of.

Stop trying to manufacture consent and stand on your own arguments.

Using two WRs on a super bowl team compared to dunlap who never even sniffed a super bowl doesn't add up.

It's amusing to see the lengths at which others will go to to try and minimize grahams impact in the same breath they criticize the ways other use valid arguments to justify his worth.

I wouldn't say graham is overrated or under rated I'd say he's rated.

I know that at the end of their careers dunlap will go down as a serviceable DE who made a couple pro bowls and never really was on a team with a lot of success he'll be forgotten in 10 years 

Same with griffin and hughes.

Meanwhile graham will always be remembered as the guy that stripped the goat qb to secure the eagles first and only super bowl.

20 years from now eagles fans will know brandon graham and appreciate him where as 20 years from now most Bengals and vikings fans will have long forgotten griffin and dunlap.

Are dunlap and Griffen better players, maybe, did they end up doing more for their teams success than graham debatable, did either make a huge okay in the biggest game of their careers and franchise? Nope.

Only eagles fans would twist themselves into pretzels justifying their arguments as to why a super bowl hero sucks.🤔

2018 Greg Ward signed with Washington

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

2018 Greg Ward signed with Washington

This is just his 4th season?  Geez, it seems like ages ago he was here.

48 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

How exactly? Most seem to agree he's been a steady, dependable player. Nobody thinks he's HOF worthy. I don't even think any of us think his number should go up in the Eagles ROF. The debate started about whether or not his career lived up to his draft position. But how do you figure he's overrated? 

People seem to have a warped sense of how good a player should be at their relative draft position. There are a lot of legit first-round misses. Getting a player of Graham’s quality is not at all disappointing or meh. 

Pro days have always been a joke, but this year takes the cake.  There’s already like 30 HOFs. 

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That’s as old as I’m willing to draft a player with anything resembling a premium pick. 24 or older during their rookie season is a no-go. 

He turns 24 in the fall i think

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is just his 4th season?  Geez, it seems like ages ago he was here.

Technically although he bounced around different practice squads since 2015

30 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

These are not measured by electronic timer, right?  If so, there will be some inaccuracy in the numbers.

As far as I've heard most if not all times have been hand held

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

He turns 24 in the fall i think

Welp. I’m out in round 2. Probably round 3 too. 

6 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

He turns 24 in the fall i think

Pass

6 hours ago, justrelax said:

Peppers has been absolutely terrific for NY. Does everything and is a leader. I was beating the drum furiously for him back then.

Yup.  Same.

44 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

So they could go 3-14.....  LOL

Don’t tell them. They may take that as a personal challenge.

I didn't think we'd take a safety in RD2 anyway, but I think it's even less likely that we take a 23 year old safety in RD2. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

I didn't think we'd take a safety in RD2 anyway, but I think it's even less likely that we take a 23 year old safety in RD2. 

We took a 26 year old fireman in round 1.  

6 hours ago, TEW said:

In no way?

If the coach is lobbying the owner for "one more shot” at the super bowl, and the owner agrees, then the orders to the GM are radically different than if the plan is to rebuild.

Again, this idea that the GM is 100% responsible for something is ridiculous. There are other people involved that influence every decision.

Yes, "in no way".  Its the GM's job to  say "no" to bad contracts, and bad trades.   That's why the GM is the HC's boss.  

 

The idea that the GM isn't 100% responsible is ridiculous.  That's the job description.  The HC is 100% responsible for what happens on the field.  The GM is 100% responsible for the roster construction and salary cap.  Yes, he is getting input from many different sides, but its his call and he has the final decision.  That's how the cookie crumbles.  He was happy to take all the credit in 2017 when everything was roses, well, the flip side to that is to take the blame when it turns to manure.    Personally, I think the best management style is to take the heat when things go poorly, and then to pass the credit on to others when it goes well.  That's called 'leadership'.   Leaders shoulder the blame, but share the credit.  Leaders do not shirk responsibility.   

 

But, we all heard Lurie cover for Howie's failed draft picks when he described the process as good, because they identified the right players, but they just went before the Eagles could pick.   What a stupid defense.  It would have been a much better answer if he said that they were addressing how things worked in the last few years as their draft picks didn't work out the way that they had hoped.  Instead he talked about how they have 5 future GMs in the front office with Howie, and how their process is working well.   That's either disingenuous, or it's delusional.