37 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Bruce Springsteen is easily one of the most overrated musicians of our time.

 

Sounds like we are gonna need a thread for this discussion.

Stevie Ray Vaughn anybody? I'll put him up there with anyone. Was incredible live. I'm not much of a fan of Billy Joel's studio work but live he's great, just great.

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Here is my running chart.  The damage Howie has done to the 2022 and 2023 cap is horrible mismanagement.

4 weeks ago " It will all be OK, we will have Carson off the books and have 73 million in cap space in 2022 "

Fast forward to today, we have 23.7 million in cap space in 2022.  And that is without the rookie contracts included, will be somewhere around 15 million after those are on the books.

 

24 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Howie is the master at kicking the can and screwing them later

PaulHembo

 

 

Fun research project with

@VinMasi

- hit rate for 1st-round draft picks by position: C (100%)

OT (60%)

LB (55%)

G (46%)

EDGE (45%)

QB (42%)

RB (40%)

S (39%)

TE (39%)

CB (35%)

DT (35%)

WR (27%)

Determined by whether or not that player signed a 2nd contract with his draft team

51 minutes ago, justrelax said:

My wife almost knocked Billy Joel down in the Four Seasons a few years ago, He's not a big guy. She didn't recognize him, just said, "Excuse me." I told her who he was after we'd taken a few steps. I might quibble about Tom Petty, Bob Seger, and Bruce. They're more front men than solo artists, IMHO. It's a whole new ball game if you include front men. Freddy Mercury, Roger Daltry, Mick Jagger, etc.

If we're talking female rock artists, the list begins, of course, with Janis and then you wait a while.

Shame on me for forgetting! And shame on you too.

Elvis.

This listing is a bit silly, because it's not about "solo" artists, but about whether it's a lead man with a band, or a band as a collective.

Some bands depend on dynamics, the Beatles didn't jell until they added Ringo, even though the heart of the band was always Paul and John.

A lot of bands broke up because of the friction between the songwriter (who got extra royalties) and the rest of the group, everyone one wanted their songs on the record for that reason (the Byrd's Younger Than Yesterday was a great album marred by an awful song that Crosby insisted on including).

Tom Petty was always the front man, same with Bruce, but both had a stable band behind them. But they wrote the songs, Jagger/Richards are Siamese twins, like Plant/Page, Daltry is merely a singer, Townsend is the heart of the WHO.

Neil Young was always the principle songwriter, but Buffalo Springfield and CSNY were group efforts. Solo, he's had a variety of bands, but is best with Crazy Horse.

Singer songwriters are a different genre, Dylan, James Taylor, Townes Van Zandt, Gordon Lightfoot, Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen, Tom Waits, etc. They are defined by their songs as much as their performances. The real influence of a songwriter are good covers of their songs - that is the songs stand on their own and aren't specific to the songwriter and his/her performance.

Van Morrison is somewhat unique, he could have built a career as an interpreter of other people's songs, like Elvis or Linda Ronstadt or Judy Collins, but he is also a fine songwriter.

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Stevie Ray Vaughn anybody? I'll put him up there with anyone. Was incredible live. I'm not much of a fan of Billy Joel's studio work but live he's great, just great.

Love SRV. Doesnt get enough credit imho

Eagles 2022 cap space has a lot of easy fixes that were not available to us in 2021.

If we're bad in 2021 (duh, yes), there are some simple trade candidates too that would help 2022. To make 2021 trades, we have to make decisions on Ertz/Barnett though. We really need to trade Ertz before training camp to have the flexibility to make trades at the deadline. Ex: Trading Cox, Dillard, Harris, Flacco, etc.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Howie is the master at kicking the can and screwing them later

There was really no alternative. Well keeping wentz i suppose

but we all knew it would hurt the cap a few years when they fell into the trap of trying to run it back

16 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Stevie Ray Vaughn anybody? I'll put him up there with anyone. Was incredible live. I'm not much of a fan of Billy Joel's studio work but live he's great, just great.

The patron saint of Austin. Guitar players go and rub his statue for good luck.

7 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

PaulHembo

 

 

Fun research project with

@VinMasi

- hit rate for 1st-round draft picks by position: C (100%)

OT (60%)

LB (55%)

G (46%)

EDGE (45%)

QB (42%)

RB (40%)

S (39%)

TE (39%)

CB (35%)

DT (35%)

WR (27%)

Determined by whether or not that player signed a 2nd contract with his draft team

Reagor ( 27 % ) - Dillard ( 60 % ) - Barnett ( 45 % ) - Wentz ( 42 % ) - Agholor ( 27 % ) - Marcus Smith ( 55 % ) - Johnson ( 60 % ) Cox ( 35 % ) - Watkins ( 46 % ) 

So we have spent multiple first round picks on guys who have a low percentage of signing a second contract, and 2 of the 3 highest ranked positions, we drafted absolute busts in Smith and Watkins.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Eagles 2022 cap space has a lot of easy fixes that were not available to us in 2021.

If we're bad in 2021 (duh, yes), there are some simple trade candidates too that would help 2022. To make 2021 trades, we have to make decisions on Ertz/Barnett though. We really need to trade Ertz before training camp to have the flexibility to make trades at the deadline. Ex: Trading Cox, Dillard, Harris, Flacco, etc.

With the cap escalating, unless you just want to throw money at FAs in 2022 and 2023 (only a few worth signing each year, I think some overpays are driven by the need to reach the league minimum), Howie should be able to sign a couple in 2022 and anyone he wants in 2023.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

With the cap escalating, unless you just want to throw money at FAs in 2022 and 2023 (only a few worth signing each year, I think some overpays are driven by the need to reach the league minimum), Howie should be able to sign a couple in 2022 and anyone he wants in 2023.

This is absolutely the incorrect approach. Signing 2022 free agents, in a year in which we still won't be compete unless Hurts is a franchise QB, is a mistake.

2023 should be the target year. This year and next shoudl be about turning over the roster. Signing bandaids free agents to go 9-8/10-7? Pass.

I'm starting to think we need to look at 12 and 37 as a package to judge the picks.  I think the smart way to go is to make sure we get BPA on each side of the ball if possible.

12. Micah Parsons. 37.Rashod Bateman/Rondale Moore/Terrace Marshall

12. Jaycee Horn/ Pat Surtain/Caleb Farley 37. Terrace Marshall/Rondale Moore/Rashod Bateman

12. Jaylen Waddle/DeVonta Smith 37. Greg Newsome/Treyvon Moehrig/Zaven Collins/Eric Stokes

12. Kwitty Paye 37.JaVonte  Williams/Najee Harris

12. Justin Fields/Trey Lance 37. Greg Rousseau/Dylan Moses/Zaven Collins

12. Penei Sewell/Rashawn Slater 37. Jaelen Phillips/Greg/Rousseau

 

I'm just throwing different scenarios out there.  I don't know what my preference is anymore and of course it all depends on how the board plays out.  There's going to be a top talent that falls to 12 and a top talent that falls to the end of round 1 as well as guys who go way too early.  I can see Moehring going top 20 easy and I can see Caleb Farley falling to round 2.  Just look how far DK fell. 

Sadly, I'm preparing myself for disappointment as I have no faith in Howie to draft the right players for the team.  I'm still hopelessly optimistic though because that's the excitement of the draft and being loaded with picks. 

17 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Here is my running chart.  The damage Howie has done to the 2022 and 2023 cap is horrible mismanagement.

4 weeks ago " It will all be OK, we will have Carson off the books and have 73 million in cap space in 2022 "

Fast forward to today, we have 23.7 million in cap space in 2022.  And that is without the rookie contracts included, will be somewhere around 15 million after those are on the books.

 

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

My wife almost knocked Billy Joel down in the Four Seasons a few years ago, He's not a big guy. She didn't recognize him, just said, "Excuse me." I told her who he was after we'd taken a few steps. I might quibble about Tom Petty, Bob Seger, and Bruce. They're more front men than solo artists, IMHO. It's a whole new ball game if you include front men. Freddy Mercury, Roger Daltry, Mick Jagger, etc.

If we're talking female rock artists, the list begins, of course, with Janis and then you wait a while.

Shame on me for forgetting! And shame on you too.

Elvis.

I thought about Elvis and, even though the genre of 50s music is the early stages of rock, I don't really think of it as such and his career spanned many genres.  His performance of Suspicious Minds is a favorite of mine, though.

I'm gonna say how dare you again for recalling your story of encountering Billy Joel in the Four Seasons yet not including Frankie Valli in your list -- also technically a front man but an instantly recognizable voice.

Reminds me of a story from my young adulthood when I walked into a room and my younger brother and his best friend were having a spirited argument over who was the more talented Beatle -- McCartney or Lennon.  When they reached a quiet moment I said to his best friend "If I were to stack the best 16 songs from the Beatles against the best 16 songs of Paul McCartney and/or Wings -- I'd have to say I'm going with McCartney's stuff."  Made him spit out his drink.

14 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Van Morrison is somewhat unique, he could have built a career as an interpreter of other people's songs, like Elvis or Linda Ronstadt or Judy Collins, but he is also a fine songwriter.

My wife is my Brown-Eyed girl.

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Here is my running chart.  The damage Howie has done to the 2022 and 2023 cap is horrible mismanagement.

4 weeks ago " It will all be OK, we will have Carson off the books and have 73 million in cap space in 2022 "

Fast forward to today, we have 23.7 million in cap space in 2022.  And that is without the rookie contracts included, will be somewhere around 15 million after those are on the books.

 

I don't know how/why anyone would expect to go from -70M one year to +70M the next.  Whoever expected a swing of 140M in cap space is the biggest idiot these boards have ever seen. 

So your chart shows 23M next year.  That's a huge improvement from this year and gives them the ability to spend smartly on free agency along with 11 draft picks this year and possibly 3 first rounders next year. 

That's how you build a team. 

You don't wake up with a treasure trove of assets that appears out if nowhere. 

A name I don't hear much about here is Baron Browning.  Think the kid would be a steal in the 3rd round

 

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I thought about Elvis and, even though the genre of 50s music is the early stages of rock, I don't really think of it as such and his career spanned many genres.  His performance of Suspicious Minds is a favorite of mine, though.

I'm gonna say how dare you again for recalling your story of encountering Billy Joel in the Four Seasons yet not including Frankie Valli in your list -- also technically a front man but an instantly recognizable voice.

Reminds me of a story from my young adulthood when I walked into a room and my younger brother and his best friend were having a spirited argument over who was the more talented Beatle -- McCartney or Lennon.  When they reached a quiet moment I said to his best friend "If I were to stack the best 16 songs from the Beatles against the best 16 songs of Paul McCartney and/or Wings -- I'd have to say I'm going with McCartney's stuff."  Made him spit out his drink.

Hope you were being facetious. McCartney and Lennon together >>> McCartney or Lennon solo.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I saw DLR on the Eat and Smile tour or Skyscraper.

Just Like Paradise is my favorite DLR song, better then any of his Van Halen songs IMO.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I thought about Elvis and, even though the genre of 50s music is the early stages of rock, I don't really think of it as such and his career spanned many genres.  His performance of Suspicious Minds is a favorite of mine, though.

I'm gonna say how dare you again for recalling your story of encountering Billy Joel in the Four Seasons yet not including Frankie Valli in your list -- also technically a front man but an instantly recognizable voice.

Reminds me of a story from my young adulthood when I walked into a room and my younger brother and his best friend were having a spirited argument over who was the more talented Beatle -- McCartney or Lennon.  When they reached a quiet moment I said to his best friend "If I were to stack the best 16 songs from the Beatles against the best 16 songs of Paul McCartney and/or Wings -- I'd have to say I'm going with McCartney's stuff."  Made him spit out his drink.

My favorite Elvis song is Kentucky Rain.

Always thought of the Four Seasons (I saw what you did there) as Doo ****. You're right about Frankie Valli.

I'd have spit out my drink too.

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

His performance of Suspicious Minds is a favorite of mine, though.

I do like Suspicious Minds, but if Kentucky Rain comes on, I stop what I am doing to listen.  Some more trivia, Kentucky Rain was written by a young up and comer, Eddie Rabbit.

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

My favorite Elvis song is Kentucky Rain.

 

Look up

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

I gotta be in a different. and rare mood to listen to Stevie. 

side note, Bowie is a better scout than Howie(well known story of David Bowie finding/signing Stevie)

I got a bootleg of rehearsals for Bowie's Let's Dance tour with SRV on guitar.

https://wmgk.com/2019/08/05/stevie-ray-vaughan-david-bowie-tour/

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hope you were being facetious. McCartney and Lennon together >>> McCartney or Lennon solo.

Yup -- he was getting too wound up, and it was the best way to put a stop to the argument.  I was born in 1966, at the time I started listening to popular/rock music was right around the time Paul McCartney's solo career was taking off, so I was exposed to his stuff with Wings at the same time I was hearing the Beatles music -- as a kid I would sometimes mix them up.