2 minutes ago, jblah said:

I think you will know by week 12 if we are trading or keeping wentz. if wentz doesn't respond well here with the new coach, his career as a starter might be done. So hopefully he knows as well as anyone else that this is his last shot. if rumors are to be believed, he needs to put his ego behind him and focus on getting coached up properly. do what you are told because you don't know whats best. 

And if Wentz is un fixable?..then the bright side is that under Nick we will have one of the best QB Tutors.... and Hurts will get all the required attention to improve his game. I like it.

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Lots of people understood the McCoy decision at the time, the old board is gone but a lot of us could see that McCoy sometimes had a tendency to dance and look for the edge when there were big lanes up the middle, that a one cut downhill guy might work better in Chips offense, and Murray was the NFL rushing leader the year before, Alonso was a former defensive rookie of the year who Kelly had coached in college, coaches have guys they like and guys who fit their systems, everyone can be Captain Hindsight, but the fact is Andy Reid couldn't win with the roster that Eagles players have lionised ever since Kelly got rid of them.

The Jackson thing, I'll pretty much guarantee that it wasn't Chip that briefed the press that Jackson would be cut if he wasn't traded, and the offense worked fine without Jackson (other than fans constantly posting about 'taking the top off the defense')

McCoy was the leading rusher the year before and had a pretty good season after that. He was also very good in Buffalo for the next couple of years. It made no sense whatsoever.

You have your opinion, but I absolutely think he was disastrous managing his people and making those decisions I pointed out (the worst of all being Bradford).

17 hours ago, NOTW said:

They're always late on news.

They won't announce until the contract is finalized and fully executed

19 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

And if Wentz is un fixable?..then the bright side is that under Nick we will have one of the best QB Tutors.... and Hurts will get all the required attention to improve his game. I like it.

C'mon - yes, he had a horrible year.  But he's body of work before 2020 was pretty good.  I remember he tailed off in 2016 when LJ went down too.

33 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

And if Wentz is un fixable?..then the bright side is that under Nick we will have one of the best QB Tutors.... and Hurts will get all the required attention to improve his game. I like it.

I'm hoping we trade Hurts for our second rounder back. 

45 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

IF Wentz turns it around we could still be competitive, at least within our division. We also have to see if the new staff can to a better job at developing some of the younger guys and figure out how to put players in a better position to make plays. It also can't be ignored how unusual this season was with all of the covid restrictions etc. I'm holding out to see what happens with a full season of camps etc. My expectations are low but I believe there is a chance we could still be competitive.

We need to see what new players they bring in but If it were me I wouldn't focus on rebuilding the team around Wentz. I see Wentz as expendable in the next year or two unless he can show some real greatness. After next season the Wentz picture should be more clear and then they can start rebuilding the team around whoever the future QB is expected to be. By year 3 we will hopefully be younger, in better cap situation and will have a better idea what the identity of this team is going to be under this regime. I think Lurie wants to get to a point where we have a stable group of good players locked up for a few years and we can improve through FA to make some serious runs at a SB. Laugh at me if you want, but I think if we fall short of getting there, Howie could (should) be the fall guy. I really think the pressure is on Howie the next couple of years to get us there. Sirianni is going to get a pass for at least a couple of years.

I agree, I'm not building the team around any specific player ... I am adding the most talented players possible (in most cases regardless of position but obviously not all).  The main focus should kinda shift from short term to long term and start building a team to be competitive with the elite teams across the league (not just in a weak division) IMO.  Rather than having a strategy of focusing on the immediate with somewhat of an eye on the future they need to focus on the future with somewhat of an eye on the immediate.  Basically, make the moves you need to make in 2021 (knowing we are going to take one on the chin) to put us in the best position to start becoming legitimately competitive again starting in 2022/2023.  

20 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

I'm hoping we trade Hurts for our second rounder back. 

you hate hurts that much that you would have nate sudfeld as your backup in case wentz goes down or doesnt move the offense at all? very smart strategy.

Wentz was never being moved this year. NO owner is swallowing 33M. Never happening. We have no choice here. No one could foresee him falling off a cliff in 1 yr but here we are. They’re trying to make the best of a bad situation. Bring in a guy who will install an offense that best resembles when he had his best success. And if that’s not good enough to get him back then he’s gone the year after. I am not gonna assume Sirianni is here for the long haul. I won’t be surprised if they moved on from him in 2 yrs if he can’t fix Wentz. 

25 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

I'm hoping we trade Hurts for our second rounder back. 

No way they should trade Hurts until we get another look at Wentz.

2 hours ago, toughfighter83 said:

lack of receivers, no running attack, no offense but sanders isnt kamara, question mark at qb, it's going to be five years before this team is competitive again unless they find a way to clear cap.

There is only 1 team with Kamara and they have as much chance at winning the Superbowl this season as the Eagles.

21 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

you hate hurts that much that you would have nate sudfeld as your backup in case wentz goes down or doesnt move the offense at all? very smart strategy.

For a guy they say sucks he certainly does scare them. Lol

3 minutes ago, Diddy1111 said:

Wentz was never being moved this year. NO owner is swallowing 33M. Never happening. We have no choice here. No one could foresee him falling off a cliff in 1 yr but here we are. They’re trying to make the best of a bad situation. Bring in a guy who will install an offense that best resembles when he had his best success. And if that’s not good enough to get him back then he’s gone the year after. I am not gonna assume Sirianni is here for the long haul. I won’t be surprised if they moved on from him in 2 yrs if he can’t fix Wentz. 

Absolutely agree about Wentz not being moved this year no matter what. I don't believe Sirianni is here just to improve Wentz. I don't think they are going to hire another coach to try and fix Wentz if he's still not playing well in a year or two. There will be no money on the table to keep them from moving on like there is today. Sirianni is going to get at least 3-4 years. The first two years will be about rebuilding. Then at least a year to show what he can do with a largely rebuilt team. It makes no sense to unload both Wentz and Sirianni if Wentz doesn't improve. Who would want to coach here if they did that?

18 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

Absolutely agree about Wentz not being moved this year no matter what. I don't believe Sirianni is here just to improve Wentz. I don't think they are going to hire another coach to try and fix Wentz if he's still not playing well in a year or two. There will be no money on the table to keep them from moving on like there is today. Sirianni is going to get at least 3-4 years. The first two years will be about rebuilding. Then at least a year to show what he can do with a largely rebuilt team. It makes no sense to unload both Wentz and Sirianni if Wentz doesn't improve. Who would want to coach here if they did that?

I think Sirianni needs to come in and treat and train wentz like a rookie. back to basics with him. vanilla offense for this whole season. if we still see wentz holding onto the ball, fumbling, throwing at random into double coverage, not improving in his accuracy, then i think its time to call it quits on wentz. perhaps we get a 4th round pick for him..but more likely its a 6th. unfortunately we have to move on to correct the issue.

52 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

you hate hurts that much that you would have nate sudfeld as your backup in case wentz goes down or doesnt move the offense at all? very smart strategy.

I don't think a RB that can throw the ball is a good choice for QB. And I'd like the wasted pick back.

2 hours ago, Outlaw said:

Multiple years with Rivers in San Diego as well. 

"Rivers made the Pro Bowl in four out of five seasons before Sirianni became his QB coach. Rivers made the Pro Bowl zero times when Sirianni was his QB coach. Rivers made the Pro Bowl three straight years after Sirianni was moved out of the QB coach position."

So if White people support this hire, does that make them racist. It seems like on Eagles Nation FB it does. 

3 minutes ago, jblah said:

I think Sirianni needs to come in and treat and train wentz like a rookie. back to basics with him. vanilla offense for this whole season. if we still see wentz holding onto the ball, fumbling, throwing at random into double coverage, not improving in his accuracy, then i think its time to call it quits on wentz. perhaps we get a 4th round pick for him..but more likely its a 6th. unfortunately we have to move on to correct the issue.

Agree...They need to get the confidence of Wentz up first. Don't ask him to do too much and limit his ability to make mistakes and go from there. Worse case scenario for everyone is if they open up the playbook and he falls on his face again. Best case, besides him being on the road to a complete turnaround, is that it at least looks like he can still be successful so we can get something in a trade.

20 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

So if White people support this hire, does that make them racist. It seems like on Eagles Nation FB it does. 

No, those are just idiots speaking. if you like Sirianni does not make you racist.

But it its crazy how people don't see what's happening around the league with coaching hires. Is Dan Campbell and Nick Sirianni really that much more qualified that Duce? Other black candidates cant get an interview like Marvin Lewis (not best playoff record but had success), Jim Caldwell (had success as HC with the Lions and Colts), and Pep Hamilton (we saw what he did with Justin Herbert).  Eagles thought so highly of Sirianni that he wasnt even on their initial short list of candidates.

Compare Pep Hamiltons experience to Nick Sirianni.

9 minutes ago, philafan4o8 said:

No, those are just idiots speaking. if you like Sirianni does not make you racist.

But it its crazy how people don't see what's happening around the league with coaching hires. Is Dan Campbell and Nick Sirianni really that much more qualified that Duce? Other black candidates cant get an interview like Marvin Lewis (not best playoff record but had success), Jim Caldwell (had success as HC with the Lions and Colts), and Pep Hamilton (we saw waht he did with Justin Herbert).  Eagles thought so highly of Sirianni that he wasnt even on their initial short list of candidates.

Compare Pep Hamiltons experience to Nick Sirianni.

I think you are playing the race card a bit too much. Perhaps to you these guys are not as qualified as others, but perhaps to the owners they have different criteria. Marvin Lewis was a head coach and it didn't work out. How many hires this year was of previous head coaches? Perhaps that was a criteria for owners to say we want some new blood. For Duce, he got no interest from any other team. perhaps this is because he is just a RBs coach and needs some OC or WR or some other type of experience. The game is all about throwing the ball not running the ball. Dan Cambell is a nut but perhaps the owner had a reason for that. I think there are perfectly good explanation besides people being racist as to why black coaches didn't get hired this time around. 

1 hour ago, jblah said:

I think Sirianni needs to come in and treat and train wentz like a rookie. back to basics with him. vanilla offense for this whole season. if we still see wentz holding onto the ball, fumbling, throwing at random into double coverage, not improving in his accuracy, then i think its time to call it quits on wentz. perhaps we get a 4th round pick for him..but more likely its a 6th. unfortunately we have to move on to correct the issue.

The Eagles got a 1st and a 4th for Bradford.

11 minutes ago, jblah said:

I think you are playing the race card a bit too much. Perhaps to you these guys are not as qualified as others, but perhaps to the owners they have different criteria. Marvin Lewis was a head coach and it didn't work out. How many hires this year was of previous head coaches? Perhaps that was a criteria for owners to say we want some new blood. For Duce, he got interest. perhaps this is because he is just a RBs coach and needs some OC or WR or some other type of experience. The game is all about throwing the ball not running the ball. Dan Cambell is a nut but perhaps the owner had a reason for that. I think there are perfectly good explanation besides people being racist as to why black coaches didn't get hired this time around. 

How am I playing the race card when i am just pointing out facts?

Looking for new blood but they decided to interview Josh McDaniels. is his resume more impressive than Marvin Lewis or Jim Caldwell as a HC?

Dan Campbell and Duce Staley essentially have the same experience. Campbell was a TE coach and Duce a RB coach. Not seeing the where he got additional type of experience that you listed like OC or WR coach.

You didn't mention Pep Hamilton. Where are the holes on his resume?

Again, I am not saying the NFL is racist. But there is a discrepancy with hiring practices. If you dont agree then your head is likely in the sand. Check out what the Texans did when the firm THEY HIRED came but with 2 minority candidates as their top candidates for GM. We will never know what is really happening we can only speculate.

Being racist and having a problem with your hiring practices can be mutually exclusive

It has nothing to do with race, any team will hire whoever gives them the best chance of winning. It has as much weight as white players complaining that they are under represented as they only make up 28% of NFL players...

 

What we know about these coaches is so superficial to what is actually going on in the NFL or any business. For most of us this hiring is of someone we know little of, but they had far greater knowledge of him and know far more than what is portrayed in media.

1 minute ago, philafan4o8 said:

How am I playing the race card when i am just pointing out facts?

Looking for new blood but they decided to interview Josh McDaniels. is his resume more impressive than Marvin Lewis or Jim Caldwell as a HC?

Dan Campbell and Duce Staley essentially have the same experience. Campbell was a TE coach and Duce a RB coach. Not seeing the where he got additional type of experience that you list like OC or WR coach.

You didn't mention Pep Hamilton. Where are the holes on his resume?

Again, I am not saying the NFL is racist. But there is a discrepancy with hiring practices. If you dont agree then you head is likely in the sand. Check out what the Texans did when the firm THEY HIRED came but with 2 minority candidates as their top candidates for GM. We will never know what is really happening we can only speculate.

if you are asking if i would have Josh McDaniels over Marvin Lewis and Jim Caldwell, yes 100%. McDaniels has been in a culture that has 6 superbowl. I don't see either one of those guys coming close to that. I also see age. Marvin Lewis is 62 years old, Jim Caldwell is 66 years old. 

Dan Campbell I can't argue with you there. I don't like that guy so to me anyone would be better than him. He does bring a different type of "meathead" culture. Perhaps they were going for that? I don't know. I would 100% have Duce over Dan Campbell any day of the week.

Texans has not yet hired their HC. Looks like they might go Eric B. 

We won't really know whats going on but I don't think its because of racism. I do believe that there should be more black HC and I do think that time is coming. You are starting to see good black coordinators on most teams now so it will be another 2 - 3 yrs and I would say there would be a large number of qualified black head coaches. 

5 minutes ago, jblah said:

We won't really know whats going on but I don't think its because of racism. I do believe that there should be more black HC and I do think that time is coming. You are starting to see good black coordinators on most teams now so it will be another 2 - 3 yrs and I would say there would be a large number of qualified black head coaches. 

I think at this point it's hard to argue the bar for minority coaches to be considered for HC roles is much higher than white coaches. I mean the Eagles just went for Sirianni and Eric Bienemy may not end up with an offer. Eric B has done a much better job in his coaching career than Sirianni. 

3 minutes ago, mihailo said:

The Eagles got a 1st and a 4th for Bradford.

That was years ago. The QB situation in the NFL has changed. If Wentz has another bad season I'm not sure we get much of anything. IMO best case is he shows improvement and there are some teams willing to bring him in to compete for a job. If a year from now we're debating who will replace him and not whether he is he staying or going, it's not going to be good for anyone.