10 minutes ago, jblah said:

if you are asking if i would have Josh McDaniels over Marvin Lewis and Jim Caldwell, yes 100%. McDaniels has been in a culture that has 6 superbowl. I don't see either one of those guys coming close to that. I also see age. Marvin Lewis is 62 years old, Jim Caldwell is 66 years old. 

Dan Campbell I can't argue with you there. I don't like that guy so to me anyone would be better than him. He does bring a different type of "meathead" culture. Perhaps they were going for that? I don't know. I would 100% have Duce over Dan Campbell any day of the week.

Texans has not yet hired their HC. Looks like they might go Eric B. 

We won't really know whats going on but I don't think its because of racism. I do believe that there should be more black HC and I do think that time is coming. You are starting to see good black coordinators on most teams now so it will be another 2 - 3 yrs and I would say there would be a large number of qualified black head coaches. 

I think we found some common ground with civil conversation so I am glad we were able to do that. The only thing I would go after on your reply was Josh McDaniels. Yes, comes from a great culture. But most of the coaches that leave that nest become lowsy head coaches. As a head coach, we saw McDaniels with the Broncos and going all in on Tim Tebow. That is one of the many horrible decisions he made in denver. 

Marvin Lewis I dont have much to argue here because he never won a playoff game but he was a solid headcoach just not in playoffs. But Jim Caldwell, age should not be a factor. He took the colts to a superbowl and took a bad lions team and made them respectable. He gets fired after going 9-7 and the next HC (to remain nameless) best record with the Lions was not better than the worst record under Caldwell.

But I think we found some common ground for the most part

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think at this point it's hard to argue the bar for minority coaches to be considered for HC roles is much higher than white coaches. I mean the Eagles just went for Sirianni and Eric Bienemy may not end up with an offer. Eric B has done a much better job in his coaching career than Sirianni. 

Personally I think they wanted to do this ahead of time so that they could get the right coordinators in place before they all get picked. I wouldn't be surprised if both coordinators are black. If you went with Eric B. you would have a much harder time getting coordinators. basically you will have whats left after all the good coordinators have been picked. for a young coach or 1st time coach, you definitely need good coordinators. 

1 minute ago, jblah said:

Personally I think they wanted to do this ahead of time so that they could get the right coordinators in place before they all get picked. I wouldn't be surprised if both coordinators are black. If you went with Eric B. you would have a much harder time getting coordinators. basically you will have whats left after all the good coordinators have been picked. for a young coach or 1st time coach, you definitely need good coordinators. 

Yeah you may well be right. Eric B may not be available for another 2+ weeks if all goes well. That's I guess the only drawback for him doing so well in KC. It's very likely that they are in this situation a lot of times during his coaching career. 

3 minutes ago, philafan4o8 said:

I think we found some common ground with civil conversation so I am glad we were able to do that. The only thing I would go after on your replay was Josh McDaniels. Yes, comes from a great culture. But most of the coaches that leave that nest become lowsy coaches. As a head coach, we saw McDaniels with the Broncos and going all in on Tim Tebow. That is one of the many horrible decisions he made in denver. 

Marvin Lewis I dont have much to argue here because he never won a playoff game but he was a solid headcoach just not in playoffs. But Jim Caldwell, age should not be a factor. He took the colts to a superbowl and took a bad lions team and made them respectable. He gets fired after going 9-7 and the next HC (to remain nameless) best record with the Lions was not better than the worst record under Caldwell.

But I think we found some common ground for the most part

I was raised to believe the truth is usually found in the middle. If the truth is what you seek look there first.  I think that advice has served me well.

2 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

I'm hoping we trade Hurts for our second rounder back. 

Let's agree to disagree. Hurts is a keeper in my opinion. I am not denying the fact that Hurts may be traded because of Wentz contract forbidding QB competition. (This was in todays news paper..and it did surprise me). But if Nick thinks that Hurts is a better QB...than I will be a happy man.

5 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Lots of people understood the McCoy decision at the time, the old board is gone but a lot of us could see that McCoy sometimes had a tendency to dance and look for the edge when there were big lanes up the middle, that a one cut downhill guy might work better in Chips offense, and Murray was the NFL rushing leader the year before, Alonso was a former defensive rookie of the year who Kelly had coached in college, coaches have guys they like and guys who fit their systems, everyone can be Captain Hindsight, but the fact is Andy Reid couldn't win with the roster that Eagles players have lionised ever since Kelly got rid of them.

The Jackson thing, I'll pretty much guarantee that it wasn't Chip that briefed the press that Jackson would be cut if he wasn't traded, and the offense worked fine without Jackson (other than fans constantly posting about 'taking the top off the defense')

Never had a problem with getting rid of players, but Chip Kelly got rid of Foles, Jackson, McCoy, and Maclin and got back nothing. Now a lot of that nothing Howie at least turned into something, but to simply cut Jackson and let Maclin walk for nothing is inexcusable.

3 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

I'm hoping we trade Hurts for our second rounder back. 

I'd prefer to wait a year before we pull the trigger on dealing away any QB.  With a whole new offensive staff / scheme coming to town, have to see who will work best here - give them a full year to evaluate.  Then pull the trigger if need be next offseason.  Just my opinion anyway.

35 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I'd prefer to wait a year before we pull the trigger on dealing away any QB.  With a whole new offensive staff / scheme coming to town, have to see who will work best here - give them a full year to evaluate.  Then pull the trigger if need be next offseason.  Just my opinion anyway.

Sounds balanced to me. Let the best man win the job- don't just hand it to either one.

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Talonblood said:

Sounds balanced to me. Let the best man win the job- don't just hand it to either one.

 

Just have to wonder if the biggest reason Lurie hired Sirianni was to fix Wentz and therefore Hurts won’t get a fair shot since the owner is pushing for Wentz.  I get it ... he’s the owner, he is the one that invested so much in Wentz ... but does he want to do what is best overall, what will lead us to more wins?  Or is he more concerned with trying to protect his investment?  We shall see. 

5 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Just have to wonder if the biggest reason Lurie hired Sirianni was to fix Wentz and therefore Hurts won’t get a fair shot since the owner is pushing for Wentz.  I get it ... he’s the owner, he is the one that invested so much in Wentz ... but does he want to do what is best overall, what will lead us to more wins?  Or is he more concerned with trying to protect his investment?  We shall see. 

I would argue that they believe the ceiling is higher for Wentz than it is for Hurts. I don't think could dispute this. I think if Wentz can get back to playing like 2017, I don't see Hurts being able to compete with that. I think this is the last attempt at fixing Wentz. I really think Sirianni was brought in to evaluate if Wentz is fixable. If he decides that Wentz is not, i think the eagles will trade Wentz. 

2 minutes ago, Toty said:

just what this city needed

more italians

As opposed to what?  Red headed gingers?

 

5 minutes ago, Toty said:

just what this city needed

more italians

Yeah. The way they keep up their neighborhoods will threaten our official status as the filthiest city in America.

39 minutes ago, jblah said:

I would argue that they believe the ceiling is higher for Wentz than it is for Hurts. I don't think could dispute this. I think if Wentz can get back to playing like 2017, I don't see Hurts being able to compete with that. I think this is the last attempt at fixing Wentz. I really think Sirianni was brought in to evaluate if Wentz is fixable. If he decides that Wentz is not, i think the eagles will trade Wentz. 

Yeah I’d agree with all of that.  I do think both could have relatively high ceilings, a lot will depend on the offensive system they are playing in.  But I mentioned earlier I wouldn’t trade either now ... I’d take the upcoming year to have a good look at both to make a better evaluation in the new system.  

They still haven't made it official?

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

Just have to wonder if the biggest reason Lurie hired Sirianni was to fix Wentz and therefore Hurts won’t get a fair shot since the owner is pushing for Wentz.  I get it ... he’s the owner, he is the one that invested so much in Wentz ... but does he want to do what is best overall, what will lead us to more wins?  Or is he more concerned with trying to protect his investment?  We shall see. 

I hope they had that conversation up front during the interview concerning that. Sort of like "I will do all I can to help Wentz, but if he doesn't cooperate or he just can't get it together, I need to be able to turn to Hurts with no repercussions when the time comes." Hopefully Lurie and Howie  would have said, "fine- that's all you really can do."

3 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

They still haven't made it official?

Nope. Not yet. I suspect they're talking about how important it is for Howie to control all player personnel choices and coaching staff hires.

6 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

And if Wentz is un fixable?..then the bright side is that under Nick we will have one of the best QB Tutors.... and Hurts will get all the required attention to improve his game. I like it.

Hurts is a RB that can throw. That's all he is. I can't wait for every incompletion next year from Wentz we are going to hear " wEnTz SuCkS sTaRt HuRtS!." That's why I was hoping for a trade. Plus we could get our wasted 2nd round pick back. 

6 hours ago, Procus said:

C'mon - yes, he had a horrible year.  But he's body of work before 2020 was pretty good.  I remember he tailed off in 2016 when LJ went down too.

Everyone acts like Wentz has sucked for years. Yep he sucked THIS year. Last year he took a practice squad to a division title. 

5 hours ago, Diddy1111 said:

won’t be surprised if they moved on from him in 2 yrs if he can’t fix Wentz. 

If you start being that team that goes through coaches every other year you won't get any quality people with options to come coach for you. 

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think at this point it's hard to argue the bar for minority coaches to be considered for HC roles is much higher than white coaches. I mean the Eagles just went for Sirianni and Eric Bienemy may not end up with an offer. Eric B has done a much better job in his coaching career than Sirianni. 

You realize Lurie hired a minority coach before there were rules in place surrounding that, yes?  And please with your intricate knowledge of Eric vs Nick, what criteria are you using to call Eric the better candidate?

4 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Everyone acts like Wentz has sucked for years. Yep he sucked THIS year. Last year he took a practice squad to a division title. 

With a string of wins against our crappy divisional opponents. Still a good accomplishment, but it’s not a great accomplishment. 

Just now, Outlaw said:

You realize Lurie hired a minority coach before there were rules in place surrounding that, yes?  And please with your intricate knowledge of Eric vs Nick, what criteria are you using to call Eric the better candidate?

With a string of wins against our crappy divisional opponents. Still a good accomplishment, but it’s not a great accomplishment. 

It's a division title in the NFL with mostly retreads and PS players. Beat Dallas head to head and for division who was much much more talented. 

5 hours ago, time2rock said:

I agree, I'm not building the team around any specific player ... I am adding the most talented players possible (in most cases regardless of position but obviously not all).  The main focus should kinda shift from short term to long term and start building a team to be competitive with the elite teams across the league (not just in a weak division) IMO.  Rather than having a strategy of focusing on the immediate with somewhat of an eye on the future they need to focus on the future with somewhat of an eye on the immediate.  Basically, make the moves you need to make in 2021 (knowing we are going to take one on the chin) to put us in the best position to start becoming legitimately competitive again starting in 2022/2023.  

I'm seeing growing pains for the Eagles.  More realistic time frame may be 2024/2025.  Really depends on how well they draft and how well the new staff can develop talent.

32 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

Nope. Not yet. I suspect they're talking about how important it is for Howie to control all player personnel choices and coaching staff hires.

I still think they are waiting for Sirianni's wall decal to be delivered to make it official.

11 hours ago, Procus said:

I'm seeing growing pains for the Eagles.  More realistic time frame may be 2024/2025.  Really depends on how well they draft and how well the new staff can develop talent.

Ditto.  I think they really need to take a long look in the mirror and realize that what is in the best long term interest for the team is to not focus on trying to be competitive this year or next.  These next 2 years should be about trimming the fat and adding the pieces.  Knock on wood Howie hits a couple consecutive drafts.

44 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

It's a division title in the NFL with mostly retreads and PS players. Beat Dallas head to head and for division who was much much more talented. 

Like I said, a good accomplishment. Not great.