October 18, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Putting aside the Civil War, the only real comps are Vietnam and the end of the George W Bush presidency with Iraq and the financial crash. I wasn't alive for Vietnam, but back then there was only network news. So the country was divided, but that division wasn't actively stoked by either side (at least through media outlets). Plus, the war went from a Democratic administration to a Republican one. You also had civil rights at the same time...but again, there wasn't a sense of people hating other Americans just because of voter registration. It was more those who trusted the institutions versus those who wanted to radically change them. 2008/2009 with the financial crisis was bad, but not this bad IMO. Yeah, you have the OWS clowns in the park in NYC, and people were threatening bank executives. But the anger was directed primarily at bankers, Wall Street and politicians. Now, we have vitriol directed to other Americans based on political party. I don't think we've seen that since the days of abolitionists vs. anti-abolitionists. What I've seen at school board meetings is insanity.
October 18, 20215 yr Japan has not approved ivermectin as a COVID treatment, and it’s still using the Moderna vaccine Ivermectin is not listed by the Japanese government as an approved medication to treat COVID-19. https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/japan-has-not-approved-ivermectin-as-a-covid-treatment-and-its-still-using-the-moderna-vaccine/ However, idiots may try to tell you differently. Why are they lying scumbags? Who knows? https://factcheck.afp.com/http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.afp.com%2F9MR86R-1 My guess is these people are pathetic a-holes with nothing in their lives. This is the only power they feel. How pathetic is that?
October 18, 20215 yr 10 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Putting aside the Civil War, the only real comps are Vietnam and the end of the George W Bush presidency with Iraq and the financial crash. I wasn't alive for Vietnam, but back then there was only network news. So the country was divided, but that division wasn't actively stoked by either side. Plus, the war went from a Democratic administration to a Republican one. 2008/2009 with the financial crisis was bad, but not this bad IMO. Yeah, you have the OWS clowns in the park in NYC, and people were threatening bank executives. But the anger was directed primarily at bankers, Wall Street and politicians. Now, we have vitriol directed to other Americans based on political party. I don't think we've seen that since the days of abolitionists vs. anti-abolitionists. The New Deal? since you’re a person who rants about entitlement programs I’m surprised you left that out.
October 18, 20215 yr 17 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: The New Deal? since you’re a person who rants about entitlement programs I’m surprised you left that out. FDR had overwhelming majorities in Congress and strong public support. That comparison makes no sense. We are discussing times of societal divisions, not times when liberal idiots used a crisis to enact abhorrent, destructive policies destined to ruin the Republic.
October 18, 20215 yr 57 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: Serious question - has there been anything in this country's history that has divided it more than COVID? Vietnam, maybe? I mean I guess the Civil War was a literal division, but I mean the current state of our country. 50 states. OJ verdict? That "is the dress blue/black or white/gold" meme that came out a few years back?
October 18, 20215 yr 7 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: OJ verdict? That "is the dress blue/black or white/gold" meme that came out a few years back? The dress was clearly blue and anybody who thinks differently is a commie.
October 18, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: How is that dumb? There are plenty of vaccinated individuals who are acting as if the vaccine completely prevents transmission and serious illness. It doesn't. Everyone should be cautious. Where did you read that, blueanon? It’s dumb because you literally suggest that an 84 year old man with health conditions NOT take the best step to prevent infection (get vaccinated) and that he should "just be cautious” (by doing what exactly?) while you have gone on record also denying the science and effectiveness of masks which would be the next logical step to help prevent infection. You’re an absolute moron. Not even a halfway decent troll anymore. You’re just Fing stupid.
October 18, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The dress was clearly blue and anybody who thinks differently is a commie. whatevs, yanny!
October 18, 20215 yr http://jja-contents.wdc-jp.com/pdf/JJA74/74-1-open/74-1_44-95.pdf Quote Furthermore, by the 27th of February, the results of 42 clinical trials, including approximately 15,000 patients (both registered and unregistered studies) have been subjected to a meta-analysis after exclusion of biasing factors. It was found that 83% showed improvements with early treatment, 51% improved during late-stage treatment, and there was an 89% prevention of onset rate noted. This confirms the usefulness of ivermectin. Since it is a meta-analysis based on 42 test results, it is estimated that the probability of this comprehensive judgment being a mistake is as low as 1 in 4 trillion. In addition, two separate meta-analyses also showed the 46 （ 46 ） THE JAPANESE JOURNAL OF ANTIBIOTICS 74―1 Mar. 2021 usefulness of ivermectin and their conclusions were presented to the WHO and the US FDA with a request for an expansion of the indication of ivermectin in the treatment of COVID-19. Fantastic success of the drug across 42 different clinical trials. Awesome.
October 18, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The dress was clearly blue and anybody who thinks differently is a commie. 2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: whatevs, yanny! We really are a nation divided still.
October 18, 20215 yr 19 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: OJ verdict? That "is the dress blue/black or white/gold" meme that came out a few years back? Pretty much every civil rights issue?
October 18, 20215 yr 10 minutes ago, DBW said: It’s dumb because you literally suggest that an 84 year old man with health conditions NOT take the best step to prevent infection (get vaccinated) and that he should "just be cautious” (by doing what exactly?) while you have gone on record also denying the science and effectiveness of masks which would be the next logical step to help prevent infection. You’re an absolute moron. Not even a halfway decent troll anymore. You’re just Fing stupid. Uhh, I absolutely didn't say that 84 year olds shouldn't get vaccinated. You can't read. I'm saying that there's a chance Powell had an unfortunate false sense of security because he got vaccinated causing him to be less careful than he would have if he were unvaccinated.
October 18, 20215 yr 29 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Wisconsin Dept of Health data. Enhance... "so what you're saying is that vaccinated people still die!"
October 18, 20215 yr The polarization has always been there. It became toxic in the run up to the Iraq war. You were on board with invading Iraq, or you were unAmerican trash who loves terrorists. You support the Patriot Act, or you actively wish death on US soldiers in a war zone. It went into loopy land with Trump. Trump took the Alex Joneses and the like, and got major news outlets to report their nonsense, treating it (and Trump) with dignity that neither the news, nor Trump, deserved. Right now you have idiots emptying shelves of animal dewormer not meant for humans, while decrying a stolen election, that has been proven, again and again and again, to be a pack of lies from a snake oil salesman. Members of Congress repeat these lies on TV and are taken seriously. Reported on seriously.
October 18, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: COVID is just one more front in this culture war. What's divided the nation is probably lack of a common enemy that unites us. The last time the nation unified was in the wake of 9/11, but since then we've seen divisions sharpen as news networks pummel us daily with negativity (because unfortunately human nature responds more sharply to negativity than positivity) to driver viewership. As a result we also see political parties that are dominated by culture war issues, and a lot more gatekeeping by these political parties around these social issues. Trump didn't cause this, but he did capitalize on it and was a catalyst for further division. This is why Trump being booted did not turn the temperature down as much as we hoped (it did tone it down quite a bit, though I think Trump being booted from social media probably was a bigger factor than Biden). And yes, outside influences from Russia and China are also manipulating people through social media. They love that we're at war with ourselves. 100% agree
October 18, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, Kz! said: Uhh, I absolutely didn't say that 84 year olds shouldn't get vaccinated. You can't read. I'm saying that there's a chance Powell had an unfortunate false sense of security because he got vaccinated causing him to be less careful than he would have if he were unvaccinated. No there isn't.
October 18, 20215 yr 7 minutes ago, Toastrel said: The polarization has always been there. It became toxic in the run up to the Iraq war. You were on board with invading Iraq, or you were unAmerican trash who loves terrorists. You support the Patriot Act, or you actively wish death on US soldiers in a war zone. It went into loopy land with Trump. Trump took the Alex Joneses and the like, and got major news outlets to report their nonsense, treating it (and Trump) with dignity that neither the news, nor Trump, deserved. Right now you have idiots emptying shelves of animal dewormer not meant for humans, while decrying a stolen election, that has been proven, again and again and again, to be a pack of lies from a snake oil salesman. Members of Congress repeat these lies on TV and are taken seriously. Reported on seriously. This is what Trump changed. For decades the leaders of each party didn't amplify the insane fringes. There was a decorum that was still observed -- while plenty of no name Democrats would call Bush and Cheney war criminals, Kerry didn't do that in 2004. While plenty of GOP members called Obama a socialist, Romney didn't. Trump changed the game when he gave a national race megaphone to the loony extreme.
October 18, 20215 yr 40 minutes ago, vikas83 said: FDR had overwhelming majorities in Congress and strong public support. That comparison makes no sense. We are discussing times of societal divisions, not times when liberal idiots used a crisis to enact abhorrent, destructive policies destined to ruin the Republic. There was societal division over it at the time and has been ever since. Other than that good points.
October 18, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: Oh no. No, no, no.... You hate to see it. The bigger question is why anyone would hate to see this. You would think people would be thrilled to see this.
October 18, 20215 yr 11 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: There was societal division over it at the time and has been ever since. Other than that good points. What in the hell are you talking about? The man passed massive legislation in the first 100 days with overwhelming support, including from the few remaining Republicans. Quote Democrats held dominant majorities of 60-35 in the Senate and 311-117 in the House for much of the time, far greater than they enjoy today -- and the GOP lost significantly more seats in the next election. Many of the Republicans who had clung to their seats were progressives from the North or West who backed much of what Mr. Roosevelt was doing. Even Senate Majority Leader Charles McNary of Oregon was initially supportive. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123121393429656673 FDR won almost 60% of the popular vote, and veto proof majorities in both houses, and Congress basically passed anything he wanted. Other than having no clue what you are talking about...good points. EDIT: Pew wasn't founded until 1935, but even later in the decade, seems like there was real division... https://www.pewresearch.org/2010/12/14/how-a-different-america-responded-to-the-great-depression/
October 18, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, mr_hunt said: This is why you can't believe memes, although the article should have mentioned that he was fully vaccinated: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/colin-powell-dead-covid-19-former-secretary-of-state Colin Powell, former secretary of state, dead at 84 from COVID-19 complications Powell played key policy role in Bush administration after 9/11 attacks Gen. Colin Powell, the influential former secretary of state and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who played a pivotal policy role during the administration of then-President George W. Bush, died Monday at 84 from complications related to COVID-19, his family announced. "We have lost a remarkable and loving husband, father, grandfather and a great American," his family said in a statement, adding that he was fully vaccinated. The statement continued, "We want to thank the medical staff at Walter Reed National Medical Center for their caring treatment." Gen. Colin Powell, seen here in New York City in 2017, died from COVID-19 complications, his family announced. (Daniel Zuchnik/WireImage, File) Powell, the first Black secretary of state, served in Bush's Cabinet from 2001-2005, including during the tumultuous years following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The State Department described Powell, a Republican, as being "one of the foremost supporters" of taking "swift military action" against al Qaeda. Powell demanded "immediate" cooperation from Afghanistan and Pakistan in the U.S. effort to hunt down those responsible for the attacks. By 2003, when the Bush administration’s focus had expanded to Iraq, Powell pushed for United Nations inspectors to investigate the claims that Saddam Hussein was manufacturing weapons of mass destruction. Powell presented intelligence to the U.N. in February 2003 that supported the administration’s claim that Iraq did have weapons of mass destruction and had the capabilities of producing more. In 2004, though, the State Department said some of the intelligence he presented was "found to be erroneous." Powell, though, according to the State Department, felt military action should not begin "until a large coalition of allies and a long-term occupation plan were in place." Despite his advice, the administration moved toward preemptive military action against Iraq. While the majority of his term as secretary of state was focused on Afghanistan and Iraq, the State Department said Powell pursued other areas of U.S. foreign policy—including strengthening bilateral relationships with Russia and China—including his efforts to manage the U.S. withdrawal from the U.S.-Russian Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty, and the signing of the Moscow Treaty on Strategic Offensive Reductions in May 2002. Powell also pushed for international cooperation for North Korea and Iran to halt their nuclear weapons program. Under his leadership, the Bush administration also achieved nonproliferation success in Libya, when it agreed to give up its nuclear weapons program in 2003, according to the State Department. Powell, during his time at the State Department, also pushed the Bush administration to increase its commitment to the international fight against AIDS, and helped to secure additional funding. Powell was born on April 5, 1937 in Harlem, N.Y. His parents were Jamaican immigrants and raised him in the South Bronx. He attended City College in New York, where he began his military service by joining the Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC). Powell graduated at the top of his class with the rank of cadet colonel--the highest ranking in the corps. He served for 35 years in the military--beginning as a second lieutenant in the U.S. Army. Powell was one of the 16,000 military advisors dispatched to South Vietnam by then-President John F. Kennedy in 1962. He was awarded the Purple Heart, and later that year, the Bronze Star. Powell served a second tour of duty in Vietnam in 1968 to 1969. He was injured in a helicopter crash. Despite his own injuries, he managed to rescue his fellow soldiers from a burning helicopter and was awarded the Soldier’s Medal. In total he received 11 military decorations, including the Legion of Merit. Powell's career in politics began during the Nixon Administration, when he worked in the White House Office of Management and Budget. He received his MBA from George Washington University. Powell, though, went back to military service as a battalion commander in Korea, and was promoted brigadier general, commanding a brigade of the 101st Airborne Division. In the administration of former President Jimmy Carter, Powell was an assistant to the Deputy Secretary of Defense, and to the Secretary of Energy. He was promoted to major general In 1987, then-President Ronald Reagan appointed Powell to serve as National Security Adviser--a position he held until 1989. Powell was appointed as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Oct. 1, 1989 by then-President George H.W. Bush, and served in the role until Sept. 30, 1993. Powell was the first Black chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the youngest officer ever to hold the post. During his time in that post, Powell oversaw 28 crises, according to the State Department, including Operation Desert Storm in 1991. Powell stepped down from the post in 1993 and founded America’s Promise Alliance, an organization aimed to help at-risk children, before incoming President George W. Bush nominated him for secretary of state in December 2000. Former President George W. Bush released a statement on Powell's passing Monday morning. "Laura and I are deeply saddened by the death of Colin Powell," he said. "He was highly respected at home and abroad. And most important, Colin was a family man and a friend. Laura and I send Alma and their children our sincere condolences as they remember the life of a great man." Former Vice President Dick Cheney also released a statement on his passing, saying he was "deeply saddened to learn that America has lost a leader and a statesman." "General Powell had a remarkably distinguished career, and I was fortunate to work with him," Cheney said, adding that he "was a man who loved his country and served her long and well." Cheney said he saw "first-hand" Powell's "dedication to the United States and his commitment to the brave and selfless men and women who serve our country in uniform." Powell returned to his work with America’s Promise Alliance after stepping down from Bush's Cabinet in 2005. Powell, during his retirement, also served on the Boards of Directors for the Council on Foreign relations, the Eisenhower Fellowship Program, and the Powell Center at the City College of New York. In 2020, Powell spoke at the Democratic National Convention, and offered a full endorsement of Joe Biden for president of the United States. "Today, we are a country divided, and we have a president doing everything in his power to make it that way and keep us that way," Powell said in a pretaped speech for the convention in August 2020. "What a difference it will make to have a president who unites us, who restores our strength and our soul." Powell had a wife, Alma, and three children, Annemarie, Linda and Michael. Brooke Singman is a Politics Reporter for Fox News. Follow her on Twitter at @BrookeSingman.
October 18, 20215 yr 26 minutes ago, Kz! said: Uhh, I absolutely didn't say that 84 year olds shouldn't get vaccinated. You can't read. I'm saying that there's a chance Powell had an unfortunate false sense of security because he got vaccinated causing him to be less careful than he would have if he were unvaccinated. Tragic that he let his guard down and made that fateful decision to go to a Hanson concert that exposed him to covid. Sad x4
October 18, 20215 yr 8 minutes ago, Procus said: This is why you can't believe memes, although the article should have mentioned that he was fully vaccinated: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/colin-powell-dead-covid-19-former-secretary-of-state Colin Powell, former secretary of state, dead at 84 from COVID-19 complications Powell played key policy role in Bush administration after 9/11 attacks Gen. Colin Powell, the influential former secretary of state and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who played a pivotal policy role during the administration of then-President George W. Bush, died Monday at 84 from complications related to COVID-19, his family announced. "We have lost a remarkable and loving husband, father, grandfather and a great American," his family said in a statement, adding that he was fully vaccinated. The statement continued, "We want to thank the medical staff at Walter Reed National Medical Center for their caring treatment." 2nd sentence, slick.
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