October 28, 20214 yr 25 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: I'm pretty sure I touched the nerve little fellow. Neither the disease progression, nor the infectious agents, nor the vaccines are remotely similar - so projecting number of boosters based on the immmune response to the HepB is premature at the very least. To say otherwise would be disingenuous, no? Maybe you need to read my posts again because my entire point all along is that we shouldn't project the number of boosters based on preconceived notions. My first post was saying to pump the brakes to those proclaiming we're gonna need boosters forever. You may think the lessons learned on scheduling and improvements in vaccine development are unique to the hep B vaccine history, but I have confidence covid vaccines will see similar improvements and lessons learned (which we've already seen with j&j). Pretending that I'm being premature, but not those complaining about forever boosters, is somehow not disingenuous to you, oddly enough.
October 28, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Morons...hope they like masks! I’m pretty pro vaccine, but I’d hold off on children for a while. We don’t know the long term side effects of these vaccines and children have a near zero chance of death or severe illness from COVID. Very small chance the vaccine causes some massive long term side effect but that’s not a chance you want to take with the entire child population of the US. It’s basically a black swan potentiality we can avoid with almost zero opportunity cost.
October 28, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, TEW said: I’m pretty pro vaccine, but I’d hold off on children for a while. We don’t know the long term side effects of these vaccines and children have a near zero chance of death or severe illness from COVID. Very small chance the vaccine causes some massive long term side effect but that’s not a chance you want to take with the entire child population of the US. It’s basically a black swan potentiality we can avoid. Roughly 1 out of 100 kids with a covid infection require hospitalization for it. And the threat of long term effects from covid is the far bigger risk. This is a no brainer.
October 28, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Roughly 1 out of 100 kids with a covid infection require hospitalization for it. And the threat of long term effects from covid is the far bigger risk. This is a no brainer. We don’t know that, which is precisely the problem. I’d say get the adult population vaccinated so we can study the long term effects in rolling age group ranges. As we get more data we can be more aggressive.
October 28, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Maybe you need to read my posts again because my entire point all along is that we shouldn't project the number of boosters based on preconceived notions. My first post was saying to pump the brakes to those proclaiming we're gonna need boosters forever. You may think the lessons learned on scheduling and improvements in vaccine development are unique to the hep B vaccine history, but I have confidence covid vaccines will see similar improvements and lessons learned (which we've already seen with j&j). Pretending that I'm being premature, but not those complaining about forever boosters, is somehow not disingenuous to you, oddly enough. Fair enough.
October 28, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, TEW said: We don’t know that, which is precisely the problem. I’d say get the adult population vaccinated so we can study the long term effects in rolling age group ranges. As we get more data we can be more aggressive. Most of the adults that are going to get vaccinated already are. We have almost a year's worth of studying mass vaccinations on adults and up to this point, it's been overwhelmingly safe. We also have around a year a half since the first test subjects were vaccinated, so we have a slightly longer timeline there. I'm not bullish on getting my kids vaccinated, I'm going to wait a month or two, but all the evidence points to the long-term effects of Covid being a significantly greater concern than the vaccine.
October 28, 20214 yr 21 minutes ago, TEW said: We don’t know that, which is precisely the problem. I’d say get the adult population vaccinated so we can study the long term effects in rolling age group ranges. As we get more data we can be more aggressive. We have a pretty damn good idea. The track record of long term effects from a vaccine evading detection but then somehow popping up 4 months later or longer is basically zero. We ran the trials, we saw the results, the safety profile was really good, and that's why it was a slam dunk for the advisory panel to approve it unanimously (one abstained to vote). Meanwhile, we have data on long covid in kids, and while it's rare, it's already occurring far more often than any adverse events observed in the trials, or even in real world data for any adjacent cohorts (12-15, 16-25, etc). Basically you can pick any cohort, and the risk for any vaccine related adverse events are much higher in those who recovered from natural infection vs those who were vaccinated. I understand the psychological effects of making that choice for your child that might be concerning, but based on the math alone, it's not even close to being a difficult choice.
October 28, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Most of the adults that are going to get vaccinated already are. We have almost a year's worth of studying mass vaccinations on adults and up to this point, it's been overwhelmingly safe. We also have around a year a half since the first test subjects were vaccinated, so we have a slightly longer timeline there. I'm not bullish on getting my kids vaccinated, I'm going to wait a month or two, but all the evidence points to the long-term effects of Covid being a significantly greater concern than the vaccine. But a year is not nearly enough time to draw conclusions about long term effects. That’s the problem. And if there is some black swan side effect, you’ve inflicted that on the entire youth of the country. You’ll have to wait an entire generation to get out from under it. It’s not worth the risk IMO for a population that’s going to have very little chance of death or severe illness from the virus anyway.
October 28, 20214 yr Anyone else think it's kinda weird that this vaccine gets approved, and the first thing these antivaxxers are apparently thinking is, "But what about my life 5-year-old's fertility?!?"
October 28, 20214 yr Just now, TEW said: But a year is not nearly enough time to draw conclusions about long term effects. That’s the problem. And if there is some black swan side effect, you’ve inflicted that on the entire youth of the country. You’ll have to wait an entire generation to get out from under it. It’s not worth the risk IMO for a population that’s going to have very little chance of death or severe illness from the virus anyway. I'm not sure what black swan side effect you think will be a greater risk than Covid to a child but doesn't materialize for years.
October 28, 20214 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: I'm not sure what black swan side effect you think will be a greater risk than Covid to a child but doesn't materialize for years. He is worse than KZ, don't even bother
October 28, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, TEW said: But a year is not nearly enough time to draw conclusions about long term effects. That’s the problem. And if there is some black swan side effect, you’ve inflicted that on the entire youth of the country. You’ll have to wait an entire generation to get out from under it. It’s not worth the risk IMO for a population that’s going to have very little chance of death or severe illness from the virus anyway. This is science fiction. If you want to make this argument, you'd be much better off using Merck's new pill since its mechanism of action is potentially mutagenic, but there's no plausible scenario where these vaccines have a greater risk of inflicting this level of damage compared to the actual virus that has literally already shown signs of doing so.
October 28, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Boogyman said: Wow. You really are this dumb, huh? It's not all just an act? You are my role model!
October 28, 20214 yr 18 hours ago, MidMoFo said: Natural immunity. No one wants to be within 6 feet of you. I have better aim than that
October 28, 20214 yr 16 hours ago, vikas83 said: And we all remain terribly disappointed by that fact. I'm certain of that
October 28, 20214 yr 57 minutes ago, TEW said: But a year is not nearly enough time to draw conclusions about long term effects. That’s the problem. And if there is some black swan side effect, you’ve inflicted that on the entire youth of the country. You’ll have to wait an entire generation to get out from under it. It’s not worth the risk IMO for a population that’s going to have very little chance of death or severe illness from the virus anyway. 🤣🤣🤣 Not surprised at all to see you go off the deep end at the exact same time as your guru Tucker.
October 28, 20214 yr Suddenly, vaccines are suspect. Flu shots, made on the fly every year are lapped up. Why? What's the long term outlook? Look at what has happened in the past? The horrible after effects of the Polio vaccines, tested for two years on 1.6 million kids before being rolled out on a national level. Oh the friggin' horror!!
October 28, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: You are my role model! In the future it would be a better idea to choose more realistic goals.
October 28, 20214 yr 36 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Suddenly, vaccines are suspect. Flu shots, made on the fly every year are lapped up. Why? What's the long term outlook? Look at what has happened in the past? The horrible after effects of the Polio vaccines, tested for two years on 1.6 million kids before being rolled out on a national level. Oh the friggin' horror!! Hardly. The lions share of those expressing skepticism with regard to leaky Covid vaccines point the how new the virus is and how rushed the vaccine development was. The vaccines didn't become available to the general public until 2021, and mid-year, just a few months after the rollout began, boosters were proclaimed to be required. Vaccinated people are getting sick and dying in large numbers. There is also a healthy dose of skepticism that Covid is being used as cover for political power grabs, economic makeovers and restriction of individual liberties. So skepticism about the Covid vaccines is encompassed in skepticism about everything associated with Covid in general. These are by no stretch of the matter in the same league as the smallpox vaccine or polio vaccines - vaccines which for all intents and purposes, eliminated those diseases.
October 28, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, Procus said: Hardly. The lions share of those expressing skepticism with regard to leaky Covid vaccines point the how new the virus is and how rushed the vaccine development was. The vaccines didn't become available to the general public until 2021, and mid-year, just a few months after the rollout began, boosters were proclaimed to be required. Vaccinated people are getting sick and dying in large numbers. There is also a healthy dose of skepticism that Covid is being used as cover for political power grabs, economic makeovers and restriction of individual liberties. So skepticism about the Covid vaccines is encompassed in skepticism about everything associated with Covid in general. These are by no stretch of the matter in the same league as the smallpox vaccine or polio vaccines - vaccines which for all intents and purposes, eliminated those diseases. Not immediately. It took decades. The early vaccines were not even as effective as these COVID vaccines, but they made a big difference - JUST as these COVID vaccines are as well: far fewer serious and fatal cases among vaccinated populations, even if they're not as effective at preventing cases against Delta as they were against the original variant.
October 28, 20214 yr Now my dad isn't sure about getting his booster. At a loss for words. Trying to be patient with him but I can't take the overwhelming amount of stupidity on this subject anymore. People needlessly suffering or dying because they'd rather listen to politicians or other idiots on social media than their own doctors that they listen to on everything else. Unreal.
October 28, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, VanHammersly said: I'm not sure what black swan side effect you think will be a greater risk than Covid to a child but doesn't materialize for years. Well that’s the whole point of a black swan: you don’t know. That’s why it’s a black swan. It’s an unknown unknown.
October 28, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said: 🤣🤣🤣 Not surprised at all to see you go off the deep end at the exact same time as your guru Tucker. At least Tucker is what he claims to be, TEW is a fraud who pretends he is not a trump lover
October 28, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Now my dad isn't sure about getting his booster. At a loss for words. Trying to be patient with him but I can't take the overwhelming amount of stupidity on this subject anymore. People needlessly suffering or dying because they'd rather listen to politicians or other idiots on social media than their own doctors that they listen to on everything else. Unreal. Same with my mother who just had a pacemaker put in . I have lost hope in Humans, time to go extinct and start over
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