October 28, 20214 yr 57 minutes ago, TEW said: But a year is not nearly enough time to draw conclusions about long term effects. That’s the problem. And if there is some black swan side effect, you’ve inflicted that on the entire youth of the country. You’ll have to wait an entire generation to get out from under it. It’s not worth the risk IMO for a population that’s going to have very little chance of death or severe illness from the virus anyway. 🤣🤣🤣 Not surprised at all to see you go off the deep end at the exact same time as your guru Tucker.
October 28, 20214 yr Suddenly, vaccines are suspect. Flu shots, made on the fly every year are lapped up. Why? What's the long term outlook? Look at what has happened in the past? The horrible after effects of the Polio vaccines, tested for two years on 1.6 million kids before being rolled out on a national level. Oh the friggin' horror!!
October 28, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: You are my role model! In the future it would be a better idea to choose more realistic goals.
October 28, 20214 yr 36 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Suddenly, vaccines are suspect. Flu shots, made on the fly every year are lapped up. Why? What's the long term outlook? Look at what has happened in the past? The horrible after effects of the Polio vaccines, tested for two years on 1.6 million kids before being rolled out on a national level. Oh the friggin' horror!! Hardly. The lions share of those expressing skepticism with regard to leaky Covid vaccines point the how new the virus is and how rushed the vaccine development was. The vaccines didn't become available to the general public until 2021, and mid-year, just a few months after the rollout began, boosters were proclaimed to be required. Vaccinated people are getting sick and dying in large numbers. There is also a healthy dose of skepticism that Covid is being used as cover for political power grabs, economic makeovers and restriction of individual liberties. So skepticism about the Covid vaccines is encompassed in skepticism about everything associated with Covid in general. These are by no stretch of the matter in the same league as the smallpox vaccine or polio vaccines - vaccines which for all intents and purposes, eliminated those diseases.
October 28, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, Procus said: Hardly. The lions share of those expressing skepticism with regard to leaky Covid vaccines point the how new the virus is and how rushed the vaccine development was. The vaccines didn't become available to the general public until 2021, and mid-year, just a few months after the rollout began, boosters were proclaimed to be required. Vaccinated people are getting sick and dying in large numbers. There is also a healthy dose of skepticism that Covid is being used as cover for political power grabs, economic makeovers and restriction of individual liberties. So skepticism about the Covid vaccines is encompassed in skepticism about everything associated with Covid in general. These are by no stretch of the matter in the same league as the smallpox vaccine or polio vaccines - vaccines which for all intents and purposes, eliminated those diseases. Not immediately. It took decades. The early vaccines were not even as effective as these COVID vaccines, but they made a big difference - JUST as these COVID vaccines are as well: far fewer serious and fatal cases among vaccinated populations, even if they're not as effective at preventing cases against Delta as they were against the original variant.
October 28, 20214 yr Now my dad isn't sure about getting his booster. At a loss for words. Trying to be patient with him but I can't take the overwhelming amount of stupidity on this subject anymore. People needlessly suffering or dying because they'd rather listen to politicians or other idiots on social media than their own doctors that they listen to on everything else. Unreal.
October 28, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, VanHammersly said: I'm not sure what black swan side effect you think will be a greater risk than Covid to a child but doesn't materialize for years. Well that’s the whole point of a black swan: you don’t know. That’s why it’s a black swan. It’s an unknown unknown.
October 28, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said: 🤣🤣🤣 Not surprised at all to see you go off the deep end at the exact same time as your guru Tucker. At least Tucker is what he claims to be, TEW is a fraud who pretends he is not a trump lover
October 28, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Now my dad isn't sure about getting his booster. At a loss for words. Trying to be patient with him but I can't take the overwhelming amount of stupidity on this subject anymore. People needlessly suffering or dying because they'd rather listen to politicians or other idiots on social media than their own doctors that they listen to on everything else. Unreal. Same with my mother who just had a pacemaker put in . I have lost hope in Humans, time to go extinct and start over
October 28, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Suddenly, vaccines are suspect. Flu shots, made on the fly every year are lapped up. Why? What's the long term outlook? Look at what has happened in the past? The horrible after effects of the Polio vaccines, tested for two years on 1.6 million kids before being rolled out on a national level. Oh the friggin' horror!! Actually I think they only get around 50% of people getting them
October 29, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, TEW said: Well that’s the whole point of a black swan: you don’t know. That’s why it’s a black swan. It’s an unknown unknown. Right but if we’re randomly attributing a God from the Machine scenario then we can attribute it to any vaccine. No vaccine was tested indefinitely.
October 29, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Right but if we’re randomly attributing a God from the Machine scenario then we can attribute it to any vaccine. No vaccine was tested indefinitely. Sure. I agree — you can’t test indefinitely. At some point you roll it out and extend it to progressively younger people. But I would just be very cautious with the youth of our country. If it has some catastrophic unforeseen effect, and you do it to an entire generation of people, that is something that could make what is already a national emergency into something that does irreversible harm and cripples us as a country. Not worth the risk IMO. Like I said, I’d get adults vaccinated and as we have more and more time related data we can slowly extend the vaccine downward as it proves over time to be safe in adults. No reason to risk the youth of the nation when they are the least vulnerable. Just my opinion. I know this has turned into another mindless sh** throwing fest so I don’t expect to change any minds.
October 29, 20214 yr 33 minutes ago, TEW said: Sure. I agree — you can’t test indefinitely. At some point you roll it out and extend it to progressively younger people. But I would just be very cautious with the youth of our country. If it has some catastrophic unforeseen effect, and you do it to an entire generation of people, that is something that could make what is already a national emergency into something that does irreversible harm and cripples us as a country. Not worth the risk IMO. Like I said, I’d get adults vaccinated and as we have more and more time related data we can slowly extend the vaccine downward as it proves over time to be safe in adults. No reason to risk the youth of the nation when they are the least vulnerable. Just my opinion. I know this has turned into another mindless sh** throwing fest so I don’t expect to change any minds. The alternative is letting Delta infect that entire generation of kids when we already know infection is associated with shrinkage of brain tissue, pulmonary fibrosis, degraded cognitive function, etc. Those seem kinda catastrophic and potentially irreversible too. We might even be underestimating the long-term effects of a novel virus that binds really well to ACE2 receptors which are found in some pretty critical organs. The real danger is staring us square in the face and you've got your eyes shut while conjuring up fictional scenarios with no plausible basis in science.
October 29, 20214 yr 47 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Right but if we’re randomly attributing a God from the Machine scenario then we can attribute it to any vaccine. No vaccine was tested indefinitely. Yep. Or far more likely, to the actual virus itself that we're vaccinating against.
October 29, 20214 yr I have seen this generation of kids. We aren’t really risking much. Give them the shots.
October 29, 20214 yr I think these booster shots might prove more effective if delivered at the base of the skull
October 29, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, Procus said: Hardly. The lions share of those expressing skepticism with regard to leaky Covid vaccines point the how new the virus is and how rushed the vaccine development was. The vaccines didn't become available to the general public until 2021, and mid-year, just a few months after the rollout began, boosters were proclaimed to be required. Vaccinated people are getting sick and dying in large numbers. There is also a healthy dose of skepticism that Covid is being used as cover for political power grabs, economic makeovers and restriction of individual liberties. So skepticism about the Covid vaccines is encompassed in skepticism about everything associated with Covid in general. These are by no stretch of the matter in the same league as the smallpox vaccine or polio vaccines - vaccines which for all intents and purposes, eliminated those diseases. Regarding your points, here are counterpoints from a right-leaning perspective that also counter left-leaning perspectives: Regarding the dying, of course people who are vaccinated will encompass a higher and higher percentage of those testing positive or hospitalized or dying, as the percentage of vaccinated continues to rise. At some point, if 100% of the nation or world are vaccinated, then 100% of deaths or positive tests will be the vaccinated. Thus, neither side should look at the percentage of vaccinated people dying or testing positive. Right-leaners should not see this as evidence that the vaccine is not working. Left-leaners should also not use this as evidence of skepticism of the vaccine, thereby requiring more restrictions. Regarding political power grabs, we know that this was true, with Australia being the most blatant offenders. For right-leaners, the vaccine is the way out, and anyone looking for further restrictions or more restrictions, particularly for the vaccinated, should be reminded that the narrative in the fall of 2020 was that the vaccine was the way out of the pandemic. Would these people be willing to say that the vaccine is not the way out of the pandemic? I still think back to where things were in the fall of 2020, and how things flipped so quickly. Back exactly a year ago, Republicans looked forward to the vaccine and praised the government fast-tracking the approval process. Democrats viewed the vaccine with heavy skepticism. Some of the people who were skeptical (don't forget that our current Vice President was skeptical of the vaccine), now favor vaccine mandates. Of course, people were skeptical of the vaccine because Donald Trump was President, and anything he is involved with has to be bad. Everyone is still waiting for these people to apologize and correct themselves for being critical of the vaccine when Trump was President. Only Jake Tapper has come out and said that he was wrong, from what I've seen.
October 29, 20214 yr 6 hours ago, Procus said: These are by no stretch of the matter in the same league as the smallpox vaccine or polio vaccines - vaccines which for all intents and purposes, eliminated those diseases. While researching COVID-19 I ran across numerous presentations such as the link below, you can find similar presentations for smallpox. Most virologists claim that no vaccine is safe and effective. DID THE POLIO VACCINE REALLY ERADICATE POLIO?
October 29, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, EagleVA said: While researching COVID-19 I ran across numerous presentations such as the link below, you can find similar presentations for smallpox. Most virologists claim that no vaccine is safe and effective. DID THE POLIO VACCINE REALLY ERADICATE POLIO? You just keep choosing ignorance. In today's information age. Huh.
October 29, 20214 yr Montana confirms first influenza case in more than a year https://www.kbzk.com/news/montana-news/montana-confirms-first-influenza-case-in-more-than-a-year So weird. I wonder how that can be?
October 29, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: You just keep choosing ignorance. In today's information age. Huh. Just sharing information, do what you see fit with it.
October 29, 20214 yr 26 minutes ago, EagleVA said: Just sharing information, do what you see fit with it. I did. I am astounded at your ability to research. It involves watching crackpots and not questioning anything they say. Enjoy!
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